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Hi,
I have found my 2nd Great Grandparents, John & Elizabeth Jones living at
Crabtree in Old Radnor in the 1881 & 1891 census. Could someone tell me where
Crabtree is, or was, and if its still existing?
If anyone is researching John & Elizabeth's family would like to exchange
stories and family data.
Thanks, Jim
Redondo Beach, California
Heather Smith <heather.smith8(a)virgin.net> wrote:
How far is it [Llwyncelyn Maescar Brecon] from Devynnock? Thomas Jones
always stated that he was born in Brecknock which I understand is the Town
of Brecon itself is this correct?
Thomas Jones and Cecilia Jones were both servants on Blaencamlais Fach and
were married from there on 24 November 1843 at Devynnock Parish Church.
=================
Dear Heather,
Maescar is situated in the parish of Defynnog (Devynnock) in the county of
Breconshire.
Maescar is the name of a hamlet (division) in Defynnog parish and also the
name of a farm in the hamlet of Maescar. The farm is just over one mile east
of Defynnog village, at grid reference SN948283 and is identified by name on
the Ordnance Survey Outdoor Leisure map of the area. Blaencamlais Fach is at
SN960267, about one mile southeast of Maescar Farm.
You can explore this area on the Ordnance Survey maps on-line at the GetAMap
website - http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm
Llwyncelyn (Hollybush) is a very common property name in Wales. I cannot
find one in Maescar hamlet on the modern Outdoor Leisure map, but if you
search this area (just east of Defynnog village) on the large-scale
19th-century maps on the Old-Maps website, you will probably find it.
Old-Maps (at www.old-maps.co.uk/) is currently off line for maintenance but
should be back on-line soon.
Incidentally, the word "Brecknock" can be used to mean either the town of
Brecon or the county of Breconshire.
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
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E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
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Hi Jim,
Upper Gore is in Old Radnor, Radnorshire in 1841 the entry is
HO107 1459
WILLIAMS, Thomas, 40, independent, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
WILLIAMS, Mary, 35, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
WILLIAMS, Mary, 13, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
WILLIAMS, Ann, 10, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
WILLIAMS, Thomas, 7, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
WILLIAMS, Susanna, 5, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
WILLIAMS, Sarah, 1, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
PRICE, Edward, 40, carpenter, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
PRICE, Edmond, 30, J. carpenter, Y, Upper Gore, f9/p11
Data from the PFHS 1841 Census CD.
Regards
Lloyd
www.rootsweb.com/wlspfhs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cook" <james.cook4(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:14 AM
Subject: [POWYS] (RAD) Upper Gore
> The 1841 census listing for my WILLIAMS Family lists their residence as
> Upper Gore. I didn't find Upper Gore listed on England/Wales Place Names
> website. I did find a Upper Gore FM (farm?) on an online map. The map
> didn't show the border between Radnor and Hereford.
>
> In 1841, in which county would this farm be located and where would BMD
> records be registered?
>
> Jim
>
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Dear Listers,
This week's Retrospective Images of Wales features, just uploaded onto my
website, include the following subjects:
1. The former coal-mining village of Nantyglo in the county of Monmouthshire
(six pictures). This feature was first shown on Images of Wales in February
1999.
2. The cemetery at Trealaw in the Rhondda Valley, county of Glamorgan (five
pictures). This feature includes a supplementary article on the famous Welsh
heavyweight boxer Tommy Farr, from nearby Tonypandy. The main feature was
first shown on Images of Wales in December 1997.
The features will be on display on my website for one week.
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/
Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists
Hi, can anyone help me with the above address for my Jones family, please?
How far is it from Devynnock? Thomas Jones always stated that he was born in
Brecknock which I understand is the Town of Brecon itself is this correct? I
have not located his baptism or his mothers name, but he was Chapel, born
around 1812-1813.
Thomas Jones and Cecilia Jones were both servants on Blaencamlais Fach and
were married from there on 24 November 1843 at Devynnock Parish Church.
Thomas father's name was Evan Evans a labourer and Cecilia (Sisley) father's
name was Morgan Jones. Cecilia's family came from Devynnock.
First child Mary was born 8 March 1844 at Llwyncelyn Hamlet of Maescar.
The family later moved to Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil.
I would be grateful for any assistance with Thomas Jones family and the area
of Llwyncelyn.
All the best and thanks
Heather in West Yorkshire
The NLW is a international treasure! I have spent hours in there when
supposedly on holiday with family (much to their disgust!) John and Sheila
Rowland's books are not just useful but (to me) essential. I have one open
in front of me as I type this. Margaret
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Davies south-east RAD
> Dave Matthews <matt42(a)pacific.net.au> wrote:
> The IGI indexes for most of the parishes in SE RAD don't seem to go back
> beyond 1813. Can anyone say why this is?
> =================
>
> Dear Dave,
>
> Welcome to the Powys List.
>
> The IGI is a rather incomplete resource for Welsh parishes. Its entries
> are
> extracted largely from the Bishop's Transcripts of parish registers rather
> than on the parish registers themselves.
> However, the National Library of Wales (NLW) in Aberystwyth holds the most
> complete set of Welsh parish registers. For example, according to
> Phillimore, the NLW holds the registers for Clyro (RAD) back to 1688.
> Copies
> of these registers may also be found at the Powys Archives in Llandrindod
> Wells. Unfortunately, these cannot yet be accessed directly on-line.
>
> The registers of a few Radnorshire parishes, including those for Old
> Radnor,
> are held at the County Record Office in Hereford, because Old Radnor was
> in
> the Diocese of Hereford (in England).
>
> [Source: HUMPHERY-SMITH, Cecil, ed. (1995) "The Phillimore Atlas and Index
> of Parish Registers", Phillimore & Co. Ltd. Chichester; ISBN
> 0-85033-950-2]
>
> On 1st January 1813, the Established Church began using a standard printed
> baptism register which had a column for the parents' surname. Before 1813
> there was no surname column in the registers. When compling the IGI, the
> Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints assumed (wrongly) that prior
> to
> 1813 every Welsh child took its fathers' given name as its surname - a
> patronymic system of naming. Before 1813 therefore, the Welsh IGI entries
> are indexed by given name rather than surname. In fact, the majority of
> the
> people in Wales switched to fixed surnames well before 1813. For further
> details see the relevant article by Chris Pitt Lewis in Rowlands (1998).
>
> [Source: ROWLANDS, John & Sheila, eds. (1996) "The Surnames of Wales",
> Federation of Family History Societies (Publications) Ltd., Birmingham UK;
> ISBN 1-86006-025-0]
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
> --------------------
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>
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Hello,
Recently John wrote about parish registers and said,
"However, the National Library of Wales (NLW) in Aberystwyth holds the most
complete set of Welsh parish registers. For example, according to
Phillimore, the NLW holds the registers for Clyro (RAD) back to 1688. Copies
of these registers may also be found at the Powys Archives in Llandrindod
Wells. Unfortunately, these cannot yet be accessed directly on-line."
Two questions:
1) When you say these cannot YET be accessed directly on-line, do you know
if it will be possible in the near future - is someone working on this?
2) If not on-line, how do people from a distance get access? Is there a
Powys FHS or any volunteers who do any lookups or is visiting the NLW or
Powys Archives the only way to obtain information?
Best regards,
Tomi
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Hi All,
I am looking for an Esther Davies b possibly somewhere in south-east RAD sometime around 1800.
She married James Watkins in Brilley HEF 22 Sep 1824 and had a child, Thomas Watkins, who was christened in Brilley 10 Apr 1825.
It looks quite likely that this is the James and Esther Watkins who were living in Clyro in 1841:
1841 Clyro Radnorshire:
Jas Watkins, abt 1791, -
Esther Watkins, abt 1799, RAD
Wm Watkins, abt 1828, RAD
Mary Watkins, abt 1830, RAD
Jas Watkins, abt 1835, RAD
I'd very much appreciate any info anyone has on Esther or any suggestions as to where to go next. The IGI indexes for most of the parishes in SE RAD don't seem to go back beyond 1813. Can anyone say why this is?
Dave Matthews
Corlette, NSW, Australia
Dave Matthews <matt42(a)pacific.net.au> wrote:
The IGI indexes for most of the parishes in SE RAD don't seem to go back
beyond 1813. Can anyone say why this is?
=================
Dear Dave,
Welcome to the Powys List.
The IGI is a rather incomplete resource for Welsh parishes. Its entries are
extracted largely from the Bishop's Transcripts of parish registers rather
than on the parish registers themselves.
However, the National Library of Wales (NLW) in Aberystwyth holds the most
complete set of Welsh parish registers. For example, according to
Phillimore, the NLW holds the registers for Clyro (RAD) back to 1688. Copies
of these registers may also be found at the Powys Archives in Llandrindod
Wells. Unfortunately, these cannot yet be accessed directly on-line.
The registers of a few Radnorshire parishes, including those for Old Radnor,
are held at the County Record Office in Hereford, because Old Radnor was in
the Diocese of Hereford (in England).
[Source: HUMPHERY-SMITH, Cecil, ed. (1995) "The Phillimore Atlas and Index
of Parish Registers", Phillimore & Co. Ltd. Chichester; ISBN 0-85033-950-2]
On 1st January 1813, the Established Church began using a standard printed
baptism register which had a column for the parents' surname. Before 1813
there was no surname column in the registers. When compling the IGI, the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints assumed (wrongly) that prior to
1813 every Welsh child took its fathers' given name as its surname - a
patronymic system of naming. Before 1813 therefore, the Welsh IGI entries
are indexed by given name rather than surname. In fact, the majority of the
people in Wales switched to fixed surnames well before 1813. For further
details see the relevant article by Chris Pitt Lewis in Rowlands (1998).
[Source: ROWLANDS, John & Sheila, eds. (1996) "The Surnames of Wales",
Federation of Family History Societies (Publications) Ltd., Birmingham UK;
ISBN 1-86006-025-0]
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
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E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/
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The 1841 census listing for my WILLIAMS Family lists their residence as
Upper Gore. I didn't find Upper Gore listed on England/Wales Place Names
website. I did find a Upper Gore FM (farm?) on an online map. The map
didn't show the border between Radnor and Hereford.
In 1841, in which county would this farm be located and where would BMD
records be registered?
Jim
My great-great grandparent's 1849 marriage record from Old Radnor lists her
name as Mary Williams. I just received a copy of a family history done by a
now deceased cousin that lists her as Mary Esma Williams. Is Esma a Welsh
name? Would the marriage record not list her full name? Could Esma be
something she added after arriving in Wisconsin?
Jim
Hello again Dennis,
Thank you very much for the details. Have you also got Talgarth
connections? The Powell Link is on my husband's side, but my mother was a
Davies and she was born in Talgarth. Her Davies ancestors were connected
with Wernfank and New House, Llanelieu, Gwernllwyd and Talgarth itself.
Best wishes,
Alison
Dear Julie
thank you for the further information, as it definately says Dolfor Hall on
the tomb then William Marsden Jenkins must have been living at the farm.
I cannot find a connection between him and the Jones family at present.
Perhaps all the vicars of Dolfor Church, Newtown lived there.
thank you again
Diana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
>
> Diana,
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Further to what Alun said, there were/are two different places -- one was
> Dolfor Hall (the farm) and the other was Dolforwen, in 1861 the home of a
> very well-to-do MP named Richard LONG from Wiltshire, his French wife,
> children, a huge entourage of cousins, visitors and servants, plus a
> gamekeeper on the property.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julie Preston
> juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Little Warren Farm
> To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
>
>
> Thank you Julie
>
> Diana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
> To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
>
>
> >
> > Alun and Diana,
> >
> > My cousin who lives in the nearby parish of Llandyssil (actually, his
> > property straddles Llandyssil and Kerry parishes) said the farm is
> known
> > only as "Dolfor" -- perhaps it was once a "hall" but he said there's no
> > "hall" now (as a manor house would be referred to).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Julie Preston
> > juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alun Evans
> > To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
> >
> >
> > Diana,
> > I have just read Julie's posting. I know of no Dolfar Hall in Kerry
> > itself
> > but only a Dolforgan Hall. I notice that Kerry is stated as the 1881
> > census
> > place in Julie's posting. That makes sense because the village of
> Dolfar
> > is
> > not far from Kerry. There is just a chance, too, that the Censor
> > shortened
> > Dolforgan to Dolfar, but I would plump for the Dolfar Hall on the
> > outskirts
> > of the village of Dolfar.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alun Evans
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ELSIE ISAAC" <elisaac(a)msn.com>
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: [POWYS] Reposting Interests
> It's been a long time since I posted my interests. With all the new
> listers, I thought this may be a good time.
>
> DANIEL(S) - BRE, Trecastle & Ystradgynlais
>
> PRICE - BRE, Berthllwyd-Llanyre
>
> If anyone has connections to these families, I'd love to hear form you!
>
> Hallo Elsie,
I think we have spoken before. I have an Anne Price who married an Evan
Maddy at Llanigon Breconshire in 1766. Do you have any family that my fit
the bill.
Best wishes
Sue in Suffolk
>
Hi Alison,
There is a Catherine Powell died 1831 in Vol 4 of the four Talgarth MI books
by Powys FHS, and references to Howel Harris of Trefecca Memorial Chapel,
born there 23rd Jan 1714, died there 21st July 1773, and interred near the
Communion Table in Talgarth Church.He was a very famous Methodist Preacher, but
no other old Powells in this Vol 4 Index.
Best wishes,
Dennis
Hi Folks,
Had a look at the Geograph site, there is a pic of barn near Dolforwyn
Hall, and of St Paul's Church.
Looks like its possible to contact the photographer (hidden email because of
spam), who may know if Dolforwyn and Dolfor Halls are the same.
Incidentally, this site welcomes most photographs even from people like me,
and is a very useful reference for visual purposes. Could easily spend
hours on it, but time not available.
Jo. Shropshire
Dear Alun,
thank you for the two emails and the map reference which I have now found.
So he obviously stayed there because there was no vicarage. It would be
great if someone had the 1861 census to see who the tenants of Dolfor Hall
were just prior to his arrival as vicar. It could be some of my family.
with thanks for your help
Diana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alun Evans" <w.evans2(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
> Diana,
> I have just read Julie's posting. I know of no Dolfar Hall in Kerry
> itself
> but only a Dolforgan Hall. I notice that Kerry is stated as the 1881
> census
> place in Julie's posting. That makes sense because the village of Dolfar
> is
> not far from Kerry. There is just a chance, too, that the Censor shortened
> Dolforgan to Dolfar, but I would plump for the Dolfar Hall on the
> outskirts
> of the village of Dolfar.
>
> Regards
>
> Alun Evans
>
>
>
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Diana,
You're welcome.
Further to what Alun said, there were/are two different places -- one was Dolfor Hall (the farm) and the other was Dolforwen, in 1861 the home of a very well-to-do MP named Richard LONG from Wiltshire, his French wife, children, a huge entourage of cousins, visitors and servants, plus a gamekeeper on the property.
Regards,
Julie Preston
juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Little Warren Farm
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
Thank you Julie
Diana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
>
> Alun and Diana,
>
> My cousin who lives in the nearby parish of Llandyssil (actually, his
> property straddles Llandyssil and Kerry parishes) said the farm is known
> only as "Dolfor" -- perhaps it was once a "hall" but he said there's no
> "hall" now (as a manor house would be referred to).
>
> Regards,
>
> Julie Preston
> juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alun Evans
> To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] (MGY) Dolfor Hall, Kerry
>
>
> Diana,
> I have just read Julie's posting. I know of no Dolfar Hall in Kerry
> itself
> but only a Dolforgan Hall. I notice that Kerry is stated as the 1881
> census
> place in Julie's posting. That makes sense because the village of Dolfar
> is
> not far from Kerry. There is just a chance, too, that the Censor
> shortened
> Dolforgan to Dolfar, but I would plump for the Dolfar Hall on the
> outskirts
> of the village of Dolfar.
>
> Regards
>
> Alun Evans
>
>
>
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