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I would appreciate some help in trying to find Thomas Rowlands in the 1871
census please.
He was born approx 1854, married Susannah Brees in 1877 aged 23, at the time
of the wedding he gave his address as Clegyrddwr, Llanbrynmair. In the 1881
census they were living in Cemmaes.
I know his father was Thomas Rowlands. I have tried to find him, but to no
avail. What I am trying to find out are both his parents so I can continue
going back the line. If SKS can help I will be very grateful..
Thanks
V. Phillips
Hi Carole
I live in Llanidloes, and you have me stumped. My parents don't know either,
Eric or Margaret will be of more use. Just Googled Caencoed, and came up
with this:
http://www.orchardhousehotel.com/llanidloes/pumlimon/
Immediately, it suggests the place is in the direction of Old Hall ... being
Tom Bound's speciality.
Alison
On 9/19/05, Carole Stone <mel-carole(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi All
> I have just received the birth cert. of Ann Jane Roberts b. July 17/1853
> Caencoed Pentre (Pontie) Llanidloes, mother Ann Roberts formerly Davies,
> father John Roberts, Miner.
> This confirms that the marriage reference: Marriages Sep 1852, Davies Ann
> Newtown 11b 275, Roberts John Newtown 11b 275 is in fact my John's
> and I now know that the copy of the 1851 census that Julie found for me is
> even more likely to be my John. The Thomas Davies is a brother to Ann and
> how John came to meet his wife to be.
> 1851 Census, Parish (and town) of Llanidloes:
>
> HUMPHREYS Edward h m 39 Lead miner MGY Trefeglwys
> Great Oak St. /f117/p6
>
> HUMPHREYS Bridget w m 40 Flannel weaver MGY Trefeglwys
> Great Oak St. /f117/p6
>
> HUMPHREYS Bridget d u 4 Scholar MGY Llanidloes
> Great Oak St. /f117/p6
>
> DAVIES Thomas ld u 24 Lead miner FLN Llanarmon
> Great Oak St. /f117/p6
> ROBERTS John ld u 24 Lead miner FLN Llanarmon
> Great Oak St. /f117/p6
>
> Now for the questions. 1. Does anyone on the list have access to the
> actual civil marriage registers and could find out smore detail on John
> and
> Ann.
> 2. Can anyone tell me more about the address given
> on Ann Jane's birth cert. (Caencoed Pentre or Pontie)
> At least I have inched a little further in my quest to find out who John's
> parents are other than the fact that his father was a Robert Roberts.
> Thank you any help appreciated.
> Carole Stone
> Kelowna, B.C. Canada
>
> My welsh research:
> John Roberts b 1830? mold, Flint s. of Robert Roberts
> Arthur Roberts b.1875 Pontlottyn, Glams
> Lewis - Montgomery
> Masters - Glams
>
>
>
Alison & Neil,
There are/were two separate places -- Cwmbellan *and* Cwmberllan (which was enumerated between Nantyderw & Nantyfedwen in 1881).
Regards,
Julie Preston
juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Alison Bryan
To: juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net ; Neil Evans
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Fwd: [POWYS] Re: That mysterious Ashton picture + Geseilfa
Julie, not sure if you received this e mail (ie Neil sent it seperately?) Forwarding it just incase.
Neil - thanks for this. Well spotted! I'm trying to figure out the 1st coords. My grandfather used to live at Pleasant View, thus everything else Waen wise needs to be in relation to that for me to work everything else out! Wondering if Waen Hir is Pleasant View ish. Do you happen to know the name of the house Verona Coates lived at? (If I'm reading the map right, it looks like Lluest?)
As for the second coordinates, THANK YOU! You've just pointed me to Nantyderw (and I've been looking for it for months). The Cwmyrbellan here, that's the one that was listed as having Ashtons living there? (If the census is in some sort of logical order).
Am blind, still looking for Tyshwl ....
Alison
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Neil Evans <ne2h(a)vet.gla.ac.uk>
Date: Sep 19, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Re: That mysterious Ashton picture + Geseilfa
To: alison.bryan(a)gmail.com
HI Alison and Julie
if you look at grid ref 295923,292732 on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ there was a cwm y bellan which was up at the top of the waen there also seems to be one at 296496,292014!!
Tyshwl is at 294053,291292 just along the llawryglyn road from the geseilfa turnoff
cheers
neil
----- Original Message -----
From: Alison Bryan
To: Neil Evans
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Re: That mysterious Ashton picture + Geseilfa
Hi Neil
I thought the same re Cwmbellan, and it didn't quite make sense / had the same thoughts as you. I just went by the transcript on familysearch.org, and didn't make any changes to the text. Cwmberllan seems a contender. Do you know where it is? Let me know re Tyshwl, when you get a chance to ask your dad.
Thanks, Alison
On 9/19/05, Neil Evans <ne2h(a)vet.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
HI Alison
Given the list that Julie posted, do you think that cwmbellan could actually be Cwmberllan which would make more sense. I couldn't really understand why they would have a house/farm named the same as a village which isn't that far away.
I forgot to ask Dad about Tyshwl, but I will.
Cheers
Neil
Hi All
I have just received the birth cert. of Ann Jane Roberts b. July 17/1853
Caencoed Pentre (Pontie) Llanidloes, mother Ann Roberts formerly Davies,
father John Roberts, Miner.
This confirms that the marriage reference: Marriages Sep 1852, Davies Ann
Newtown 11b 275, Roberts John Newtown 11b 275 is in fact my John's
and I now know that the copy of the 1851 census that Julie found for me is
even more likely to be my John. The Thomas Davies is a brother to Ann and
how John came to meet his wife to be.
1851 Census, Parish (and town) of Llanidloes:
HUMPHREYS Edward h m 39 Lead miner MGY Trefeglwys
Great Oak St. /f117/p6
HUMPHREYS Bridget w m 40 Flannel weaver MGY Trefeglwys
Great Oak St. /f117/p6
HUMPHREYS Bridget d u 4 Scholar MGY Llanidloes
Great Oak St. /f117/p6
DAVIES Thomas ld u 24 Lead miner FLN Llanarmon
Great Oak St. /f117/p6
ROBERTS John ld u 24 Lead miner FLN Llanarmon
Great Oak St. /f117/p6
Now for the questions. 1. Does anyone on the list have access to the
actual civil marriage registers and could find out smore detail on John and
Ann.
2. Can anyone tell me more about the address given
on Ann Jane's birth cert. (Caencoed Pentre or Pontie)
At least I have inched a little further in my quest to find out who John's
parents are other than the fact that his father was a Robert Roberts.
Thank you any help appreciated.
Carole Stone
Kelowna, B.C. Canada
My welsh research:
John Roberts b 1830? mold, Flint s. of Robert Roberts
Arthur Roberts b.1875 Pontlottyn, Glams
Lewis - Montgomery
Masters - Glams
Hello Michael,
This is just a shot in the dark but are you by any chance descended
from William and Prudence Kinsey (Kerry late 1700s -early 1800s)?
Best wishes,
Mary
Hi Michael
These are available as reprints as the issues mentioned are no longer
available. Just for your info the Toronto Library have now started to
receive Cronicl, and have a number of back copies but not the ones you
require. As a member these are free and I'll email them in the next few
days.
Regards
Lloyd
Editor, Cronicl Powys
Powys FHS
www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kinsey (by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb(a)ntlworld.com>)"
<mykinsey(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:00 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Cronicl Articles
> <x-flowed>
> I wonder if anyone has a copy of any one of the three articles from the
> PFHS Cronicl:
>
> 1. Lloyd/Owen Family of Trefelglwys in Cronicl 19, 1988
> 2. Pugh(e) Family in Cronicl 22
> 3. Brown Family in Cronicl 7, 1983.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Michael Kinsey
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
> </x-flowed>
>
Dear Joan
If you take the Rhyd y carw is at 295500,290500 on
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=295680&y=290760&z=3&sv=295500,290...
cheers
neil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Edwards (by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb(a)ntlworld.com>)"
<berwyn(a)pathcom.com>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Re: Evans
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joan Edwards
> To: POWYS FHS
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:05 AM
> Subject: Evans
>
>
> Greetings,
> New to this list.
> Have an elusive, mobile EVANS family.
> Where is Rhyd-y-Carw, a house, farm, in MGY??
> Thanks,
> Joan
>
>
<x-flowed>
I wonder if anyone has a copy of any one of the three articles from the
PFHS Cronicl:
1. Lloyd/Owen Family of Trefelglwys in Cronicl 19, 1988
2. Pugh(e) Family in Cronicl 22
3. Brown Family in Cronicl 7, 1983.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Yours truly,
Michael Kinsey
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
</x-flowed>
Mother-in-law can sometimes mean step-mother. Might it be so here?
Rhian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Re: That mysterious Ashton picture + Geseilfa
>
> Alison et al,
>
> Here is the John ASHTON family in Carno in 1881 (as shown in the photo of
1885 via the link you provided).
> http://www.gtj.org.uk/item.php?lang=en&id=24257&t=1
>
> Since the photos were all taken in 1885, I wonder what was behind the
photographic project -- a history of the area, possibly, or traveling
photographers and anyone who could afford it assembling their entire
household out front to have their photo taken with everything of value.
>
> What's interesting here is the presence of 80-year-old Hannah ASHTON,
*Mother-in-Law* -- possibly an error but, if correct, indicates John
ASHTON's wife, Mary, was an ASHTON cousin.
>
> 1881 Census Index
> Dwelling: Cambrian House
> Census Place: Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342318 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5483 Folio 34
Page 15
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> John ASHTON M 60 M Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Shopkeeper
> Mary ASHTON M 45 F Llanwnog, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Wife
> John ASHTON U 19 M Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Gen Shop Kpr
> Elizabeth ASHTON U 17 F Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Gen Shop Kpr
> Joseph ASHTON 12 M Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> Mary Lillah ASHTON 9 F Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> Fredrick J. ASHTON 6 M Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> Bethesda J. ASHTON 4 F Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> Anne ASHTON 3 F Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Hannah ASHTON W 80 F Darowen, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Mother In Law
> Occ: Annuitant
> Sarah MORGAN U 21 F Carno, Montgomery, Wales
> Rel: Serv
> Occ: General Servant (Dom)
>
>
> (I think Tyshwl may be Tyshwt.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Julie Preston
> juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alison Bryan
> To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Re: That mysterious Ashton picture + Geseilfa
>
>
> Julie - how could I forget! Thanks for your input, and much appreciate
it.
> Lizzie, thanks for your contribution to this thread too.
>
> Didn't people look much older for their age back then? A 40 year old
looked
> about 90 by our standards?
>
> Neil - Just looked around familysearch.org <http://familysearch.org> as
to
> where Cwmbellan might be, by looking at properties on either side. Seems
its
> by Oerle - that's where the Fergusons lived before they moved. (Road off
the
> one by the chapel and up in the hills, I remember a crossroads, used to
be a
> telephone box there, BT has probably ripped it out now ....).
>
> Assuming the census person moved around in some sort of logical order,
these
> are the next properties to Cwmbellan on one side (going outwards):
>
> UNINHABITED
> Oerle
> Penborfa
> Vuches
> Pistyllmonen
> Brynderwen
>
>
> And on the other side of Cwmbellan (going outwards):
>
> Cefngoleu Lluast
> PantyresgirRhiwen
> Bronwilliam
> Nantyglynen
> Nantyderw
>
> Hope that gives you a better idea? As a side point, Nantyderw, that's my
> Williams family living there and I've still not tracked down the
property.
> They were living there before the Belle Vue, then Pleasant View / Waen.
>
> Done a tour of Trefeglwys on familysearch.org <http://familysearch.org>,
and
> couldn't find Tyshwl.
>
> Remember, there's also this ASHTON family in Carno. Were people able to
> idenify this one?
>
> http://www.gtj.org.uk/item.php?lang=en&id=24257&t=1
>
> And whilst at it, there's a family tree here:
>
> http://www.gtj.org.uk/item.php?lang=en&id=32275&t=1
>
> (There's several letters if you search Ashton, from an Owen Ashton of
> Llwyryglyn, during WWI).
>
> Alison
>
> ______________________________
>
Dear Tom
It stands for the Latin word 'armiger' - an esquire.
best wishes
Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Evans" <tomevans11(a)yahoo.com>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: [POWYS] "Armig"
> In various documents, I see the term "Armig" used.
> I am trying to understand its practical meaning. The
> formal definition seems to be "one who carries the
> banner of a Knight". Did this refer to one who
> generally supported the cause of the Knight or did it
> refer to one who, literally, carried the banner? Can
> someone clarify this for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
----- Original Message -----
From: Joan Edwards
To: POWYS FHS
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Evans
Greetings,
New to this list.
Have an elusive, mobile EVANS family.
Where is Rhyd-y-Carw, a house, farm, in MGY??
Thanks,
Joan
Hi Folks,
Reading about all these Ashton families, I have remembered that once upon a
time, say 36 years ago, I worked with an Albert Ashton for a short time. I
know he lived in Cardiff Street, Treorchy, and worked as a foreman in Ray-O-Vac
at the Cae Mawr Industrial Estate, Treorchy. I also know that he served as
a seargent in the army when he was young. Cannot tell you the dates though,
and I don't know of his present whereabouts either. If he is still around,
he would be probably in his seventies. I also know that he had/a niece called
Maureen Griffiths, but I do believe her maiden name was Davey. She also
worked in Ray-O-Vac. An American firm that made dry cell batteries. She lived
in Gelli, so perhaps she still does. I don't know that.
Hope this helps to bring the generations forward a little. Sometimes the
hardest thing to do, is find relations of the present generation.
Regards,
Maureen Jenkins
Rhondda
In various documents, I see the term "Armig" used.
I am trying to understand its practical meaning. The
formal definition seems to be "one who carries the
banner of a Knight". Did this refer to one who
generally supported the cause of the Knight or did it
refer to one who, literally, carried the banner? Can
someone clarify this for me?
Thanks,
Tom
Carol,
Thanks so much for taking time to provide the
information on Prince Maurice. I certainly appreciate
it.
Tom Evans
--- Carol T <laurel(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hello Tom,
>
> Prince Maurice of Wittelsbach, born 17 December
> 1620 and drowned in March 1654 was
> Commander of the Royalist Amy during the Civil War
> (Charles I against
> Parliament/Cromwell).
>
> He was the 5th child of Elizabeth Stuart and
> Frederick of Wittelsbach, and was the
> grandson of James I and cousin of Charles I of
> England.
>
> His mother Elizabeth Stuart was known as "The Winter
> Queen" & Queen of Bohemia
> She was born: 19 Aug 1596, Dunfermline Palace, Fife,
> Scotland
> Died: 13 Feb 1662, Leicester House,London,England
> Interred: Westminster Abbey, London, England
> Married 14 Feb 1613, Chapel Royal,Whitehall
> Palace,London to , Frederick V of Wittelsbach,
> later King of Bohemia for a short period. (In 1619
> the Lutherans of Bohemia invited
> Frederick V, the Elector Palatine, to assume the
> throne, but he was defeated in 1620
>
> Prince Rupert was another of Elizabeth's sons to
> fight for the Royalist cause in the Civil
> War and was supposed to be a close companion of the
> future Charles II.
>
> Elizabeth Stuart's 12th child Sophia of Wittelsbach
> married Ernest Augustus of Hanover, it
> was because her son, the future George I, was the
> closest Protestant descendant of James
> I that the Hanoverians obtained the throne of
> England after the death of Queen Anne in
> 1714.
> The 1701 Act of Settlement declared that, after
> Princess (later Queen) Anne, 'the most
> excellent Princes Sophia, Electress and Dowager
> Duchess of Hanover, daughter of
> Elizabeth, late Queen of Bohemia, daughter of James
> I, shall be next in succession to the
> Crown'. It was Sophia's son, George Lewis born in
> 1660 who became King George I.
>
> For details on Maurice's career try a Google search.
>
> _____________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Evans <tomevans11(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:27 AM
> Subject: [POWYS] Prince Morris
>
>
> > In Vol. XVIII, page 853 of the Montgomeryshire
> > Collections there is an article regarding my
> ancestor,
> > Edward Evans of Rhyd y Carw. It indicates that he
> was
> > a servant to Prince Morris in the "Warre against
> the
> > Parliament".
> > Does anyone know anything of this Prince
> Morris?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Evans
>
>
>
>
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Shirley <FrostSES(a)aol.com> wrote:
Yet again a wonderful collection of photographs, it seems every time you
send a new selection I have some connection, today it is my Gr Gr
Grandfather Edwin Jones who was Station Master at Llanfyllin on the 1881 and
1891 Census. I wondered if you had a photograph of the Railway Station in
your archives?
===================
Dear Shirley,
Thank you for your e-mail.
Unfortunately, I do not have any photos of Llanfyllin railway station. The
railway line closed to passenger traffic in January 1965. The station, a
terminus, was at the south-eastern end of the town. It may be that the
former station building no longer exists.
The Llanfyllin page on the GENUKI website mentions the following two sources
which may include photographs of the station at Llanfyllin:
1. Cozens, Lewis. "The Llanfyllin Railway". London : Lewis Cozens, [1959]
56p
2. Ganley, Colin. "The Llanfyllin Railway : the story of a border branch
line". Back Track 8 (1994), p. 129-36 "Handbook for the Town of Llanfyllin :
containing topographical and historical description of the town, &c, &c,
&c." Llanfyllin : printed at the 'Annibynwr' Office, 1863. 60p
Kind regards,
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.wfha.clara.net/
Images of Wales: http://www.wfha.clara.net/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
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Dear Listers,
Both of this week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded
onto my website, feature the town of Llanfyllin in the county of
Montgomeryshire; details as follows:
1. Selection of photos of the town (eleven pictures). This feature was first
shown on my website in April 1999.
2. The parish church of St Myllin (nine pictures). This feature first shown
on my website, in March 1998.
As usual, these webpages will be on display until next Saturday.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
http://www.wfha.clara.net/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.wfha.clara.net/
Images of Wales: http://www.wfha.clara.net/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
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Julie
Thanks so much for your quick response and for checking the 1851 census.
Yes, I think it could be Wern not Waen as the writing on the marriage
certificate is quite difficult to read but certainly all the other details
are spot on. Now I know who her mother was and also that Hannah had a
brother. Aren't census details wonderful?
Next question: where is Wern in relation to Bont Dolgadfan/Llanbrynmair
please?
Lizzie
Brisbane, Australia
FHS: Glos #A6564, Gwynedd #2991
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