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I heard on the radio today that they are deliberately trying to keep the
exact location secret. All they would say was that it was near the Welsh border.
Best regards, Ruth
Hi List
According to my TV mag there is a program starting tomorrow night called '
Tales from the Green Valley'. (12 episodes) The blurb says that it is about
reconstructing and maintaining a 17thC farm in Wales. Sounds as though it
could be interesting.
It goes out at 7.30 on BBC2 including BBC2 Wales!
It says that it was filmed in Wales - anyone know where?
Enjoy!
Angie
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From: "Barry Hutchings" <Barry(a)newmail.dk>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Maddy and Lewis
> Hi All,
>
> As far as I know registration was compulsory from 1837 onwards but there
> were no penalties for not registering until after 1870. I suspect that
many
> anglicans probably stll thought that being married or christened in church
> was sufficient and that the whole civil registration business was taken
more
> seriously by non-conformists. Remember the whole business of civil
> registration was connected with freedom of worship and denominational
> marriage etc.
>
> Barry
>
>
> Hi Barry,
Thanks for your help. Probably its a good job that my family were not too
non-conformist until later in the Century.
Best wishes
Sue in Suffolk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue (by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb(a)ntlworld.com>)"
> <sue(a)cartref27.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:50 PM
> Subject: [POWYS] Maddy and Lewis
>
>
> >I seem to remember being told on the lists that you didn't have to
register
> >death even in the 1860's as it was not compulsory until later. Am I
> >correct in this assumption? My problem is that I have found my 3 x
great
> >grandfather's burial in Llyswen Parish records giving his burial date as
20
> >June 1864 aged 89 years (I believe he was actually 90). I have trawled
> >through the 183online but cannot trace a Death Certificate. As he was
said
> >to be blind in the 1851 Census I wondered if he finished his life in an
> >Institution for the Blind and that they informed the relatives but did
not
> >actually record it in the Records Office. Maybe they just recorded it in
> >their records. Can anyone please tell me if there was an Institution for
> >the Blind near Llyswen, Brecon area in 1864.
> >
> >
> > I also have my three x great grandmother's burial registered in the
Parish
> > records of Llanigon Church. Again I seem to have the same problem that
it
> > is not registered on the 1837 online.
> >
> > The entry in the Parish records is rather strange as it says Elizabeth
> > Lewis 26 September 1857 aged 83 non y yscallyn L. P. I am not sure
> > whether the y in the middle was what was written but that is what it
> > looked like. Could somebody please let me know what it means. Also
> > perhaps somebody may know why I can't find the Death Certificate for
this
> > lady either.
> >
> > Thanking you in anticipation.
> >
> > Sue in Suffolk
> >
> > By the way, the Powys list is brilliant.
> >
> >
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: <ChezWright(a)aol.com>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Maddy and Lewis
> Totally ignorant ... what is 1837online?
>
> The 1837online is a website for finding birth, marriage and death
certificates. You have to buy tokens to view the pages.
Unfortunately its not infallible.
Best wishes,
Sue in Suffolk
Hello,
1837online is an online, pay-per-view database of the GRO indexes of English and Welsh births, deaths and marriages.
It's aim is to be complete, but there are omissions and inevitable errors in the transcription of the indexes.
This is the URL:
http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/
Rina
################################################################################
Totally ignorant ... what is 1837online?
I have the following which are not my family:-
1. Mary Ann Smith; born 3/6/1849 at llanidloes; daughter of John Smith and
Susan Smith formerly Lippert
2. Mary Ann Owen; born 19/10/1848 at Llanllwchaiarn; daughter of David Owen
and Sarah Owen formerly Evans.
If either of the above Birth Certificates are of interest to anyone on the
list then please get in touch and I will send to you.
David
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I seem to remember being told on the lists that you didn't have to register death even in the 1860's as it was not compulsory until later. Am I correct in this assumption? My problem is that I have found my 3 x great grandfather's burial in Llyswen Parish records giving his burial date as 20 June 1864 aged 89 years (I believe he was actually 90). I have trawled through the 183online but cannot trace a Death Certificate. As he was said to be blind in the 1851 Census I wondered if he finished his life in an Institution for the Blind and that they informed the relatives but did not actually record it in the Records Office. Maybe they just recorded it in their records. Can anyone please tell me if there was an Institution for the Blind near Llyswen, Brecon area in 1864.
I also have my three x great grandmother's burial registered in the Parish records of Llanigon Church. Again I seem to have the same problem that it is not registered on the 1837 online.
The entry in the Parish records is rather strange as it says Elizabeth Lewis 26 September 1857 aged 83 non y yscallyn L. P. I am not sure whether the y in the middle was what was written but that is what it looked like. Could somebody please let me know what it means. Also perhaps somebody may know why I can't find the Death Certificate for this lady either.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Sue in Suffolk
By the way, the Powys list is brilliant.
Hi Sue,
I can't answer your specific question, but can give you some hope. I
have searched for a couple of
deaths in the 1860's that were nowhere to be found on 1837online.
Eventually, I asked the local
register offices to search, and they found the correct death
certificates! When I've received the certs,
I've double-checked 1837online, to be sure I had not just missed
them.....but they were still not there.
1837online is a tremendous resource, but some things are missing.
Good luck!
Norma
USA
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Sue (by way of Malcolm Bebb
<bebb(a)ntlworld.com>) wrote:
> I seem to remember being told on the lists that you didn't have to
> register death even in the 1860's as it was not compulsory until
> later. Am I correct in this assumption? My problem is that I have
> found my 3 x great grandfather's burial in Llyswen Parish records
> giving his burial date as 20 June 1864 aged 89 years (I believe he was
> actually 90). I have trawled through the 183online but cannot trace a
> Death Certificate. As he was said to be blind in the 1851 Census I
> wondered if he finished his life in an Institution for the Blind and
> that they informed the relatives but did not actually record it in the
> Records Office. Maybe they just recorded it in their records. Can
> anyone please tell me if there was an Institution for the Blind near
> Llyswen, Brecon area in 1864.
>
>
> I also have my three x great grandmother's burial registered in the
> Parish records of Llanigon Church. Again I seem to have the same
> problem that it is not registered on the 1837 online.
>
> The entry in the Parish records is rather strange as it says Elizabeth
> Lewis 26 September 1857 aged 83 non y yscallyn L. P. I am not sure
> whether the y in the middle was what was written but that is what it
> looked like. Could somebody please let me know what it means. Also
> perhaps somebody may know why I can't find the Death Certificate for
> this lady either.
>
> Thanking you in anticipation.
>
> Sue in Suffolk
>
> By the way, the Powys list is brilliant.
>
>
Please could someone help me to find this family in 1871 , details from
1881.
Margaret Thomas 63 in1881 born Llanthetty Brecon[ widow]
Emma 31 single born talybont
Sarah 29 single born Talybont
Thomas 22 born Talybont ,
Emily 17 born Brecon
Thanks.
Liz
Please could someone check the parish of Llandewi Ystradenny in the 1861 and
1871 census for me for a property that may be spelled Brynhoveth,
Brynhyferth, Brynhavod. I would like to find out if a Thomas family were
there in either of those census.
Thanks,
Liz
Dear John,
Thank you for this useful information, yes I think you could have a point
there, as both my great grandfather and his wife Hannah were listed as born
Breconshire, I had a feeling that theyw ere maybe both from the same
area.You could be right about the missspelling, I need to see a census
return for 1861 and 71 at thata ddress to see if the Thomas family were
there around the time that my great grandfather said hew as born there.
Thaks for your help.
Liz
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ball [mailto:wfha@clara.co.uk]
Sent: 15 August 2005 09:19
To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Thomas family Brynhavod 1861,71
Liz McAsey <eamcasey(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
....my great grandfather gave this place as his birth place in the 1901
census,there was another word after it which was illegible, it said that the
county was Breconshire, but his wifes birth place was given as Breconshire ,
Crossway , Llandewy [I know that Crossway was a property in Llandewy
Ysradenny , radnor shir, which makes me think that Brynhavod maybe somewhere
in the same area,I think maybe Llanbadarn fawr area .
I would be grateful for any assistance or any one who knows the area locally
if they can tell me where Brynhavod is.
==================
Dear Liz,
I checked the LDS transcription of the 1881 census. It shows only one
occurrence of the word Brynhavod (in Pembrokeshire) and 15 of Brynhafod (10
in Carmarthenshire, 3 in Caernarfonshire, 1 in Anglesey, and 1 in
Montgomeryshire). None of these is in the Llandewi Ystradenni or Llanbadarn
Fawr area of Radnorshire.
The closest match I can find in that area is Brynhoveth, which is ½ mile
northeast of Crossway.
Brynhoveth is shown as 'Bryn-hyferth' at coordinates 310754,266022 on the
Old-Maps website (http://www.old-maps.co.uk/) and as 'Brynhoveth' at grid
reference SO107661 on the modern Ordnance Survey maps available on the
Get-A-Map website (http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/frames.htm).
My guess is that your Brynhavod is a misspelling of Brynhoveth (in the
parish of Llanddewi Ystradenni, Radnorshire).
Kind regards,
John
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Please could anyone help me with a census return for the place Brynhavod, my
great grandfather gave this place as his birth place in the 1901 census,
there was another word after it which was illegible, it said that the county
was Breconshire, but his wifes birth place was given as Breconshire ,
Crossway , Llandewy[I know that Crossway was a property in Llandewy
Ysradenny , radnor shir, which makes me think that Brynhavod maybe somewhere
in the same area,I think maybe Llanbadarn fawr area . I would like to check
this Bryn Havod in 1861 and 1871 to see if there was a family Surname Thomas
living there as my great grandfather was Thomas Powell Thomas born about
1860 .
I would be grateful for any assistance or any one who knows the area locally
if they can tell me where Brynhavod is.
Thank you .
Liz
Hi,
I would be very grateful if someone with access to the 1841 census could
look up my 4xgreat grandparents for me please. They were living at Van (Fan)
farm, Merthyr Cynog. They were DAVID and MARGARET JONES. Possibly also living
with them was their son William and wife Sarah. David died in 1843 and Margaret
in 1849.
Thank you,
Yvonne Reid
Hello Robert,
Yes they are mine.
I have tracked them forward through the censuses,
but I can't get back beyond a marriage in Talgarth
in 1834.
I THINK William snr might be the son of Elizabeth
BRUNT who was on the 1841 census for Hay on
Wye, but Elizabeth and family are not around in 1851.
Nether is William snr.
Anyway, thank you for getting in touch.
Regards,
Moyra
On a hunt for those named BRUNT
who briefly touched down in
Eardisland, Talgarth and Trehafod.
S&M GENEALOGY
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On Saturday, August 13,
Robert wrote -
snip
> ARE THESE RELATED
> 1871 Wales Census
> Name: William Brunt
> Age: 32
> Estimated birth year: abt 1839
> Relation: Head
> Where born: Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales
Hello All, There seems to be a problem with the Mail from the UK somy records are delayed for now. I'll get back to those that offered their help a.s.a.p. Regards,Kevin, Co Cork,ireland
Maureen I thank you for your local information and I think the general view
that your info supports is that it is Paincastle Llanbedr, it has to be that
one, the Jones branch are almost the toughest brickwall I have had, there is
only one that is tougher.
Wilf
----- Original Message -----
From: <MJen512444(a)aol.com>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] LLANELWEDD/LLAMBEDER puzzle
> Hello Wilf,
>
> As you are in Radnorshire with your family, then may I suggest it is
> Llanbedr, Painscastle, Radnorshire that you need. This place is near Hay
> on Wye,
> and also to Llandeilo Graban. I have personal knowledge of the place,
> both
> personally and because some of my antecedants come from both parishes.
> Also, as
> Llanelwedd is Builth Wells, and one of my Great Aunt's born in Llandeilo
> Graban went to work at the Greyhound Hotel in Builth Wells, then might I
> also
> suggest that my supposition of it being Llanbedr Painscastle might be the
> correct assumption?
>
> Perhaps someone else might know better though.
>
> All the best, hope you find your family soon.
>
> Maureen Jenkins
>
> Rhondda
>
>
>