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Hi everyone,
I am hoping someone has access to the 1841 Census for Montgomeryshire. I require the entry for an Evan Jones who according to his marriage record of 1844 was born in 1819 although going by the 1851 Census it was 1822. He was a labourer living at Glanrafon, Llandinam when he married Margaret Evans but it may not have been his family home, on the 1851 Census he is recorded as having been born in Llangurig but later censuses show it as Trefeglwys.
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
Further indexes relating to Mntgomeryshire have been uploaded to the North Wales BMD site:
Welshpool Register Office
Civil Marriages - Llanfyllin Registration District
1884 - 1917
1694 entries
Until 1898, the Registrar had to be present, by law, at all marriage ceremonies that took place in Nonconformist chapels and Roman Catholic churches - and also, of course, at those that took place in the Register Office! He/she recorded all these marriages in the same
Register - hence they are all described as "civil" marriages.
The parishes in the Llanfyllin registration district were:
Llangynyw
Llanfair Caereinion
Llanerfyl
Llangadfan
Garthbeibio
Llanfihangel yng Ngwynfa
Meifod
Llanfyllin
Llanfechain
Llansanffraid ym Mechain
Llandrinio
Llandysilio
Llangedwyn
Llangadwaladr
Llanarmon Mynydd Mawr
Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant
Hirnant
Llanwyddyn
Pennant Melangell
Llangynog
Although the district covered a considerable area, it was (and is!) lightly populated.
Many thanks to my team of volunteers for their work in
photocopying, transcribing and checking all these indexes; and to the staff of Welshpool Register Office, for their active co-operation in the project.
These indexes, and many others of births and deaths, can be accessed at:
www.northwalesbmd.org.uk or
www.gpmgogleddcymru.org.uk
Bryn Ellis, project manager for Montgomeryshire.
> I've looked through the 1841 Census for Llanbryn-mair but couldn't find
your
> family in any of the townships. There are in fact very few Humphreys in
the
> civil parish.
>
> David Stick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aspenlea" <aspenlea(a)uq.net.au>
> To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:52 AM
> Subject: [POWYS] 1841 Llanbrynmair - HUMPHREY(S)
>
>
> > Back on the trail of my HUMPHREYS family again. If SKS has access to an
> > 1841 census for the Llanbrynmair area I would very much appreciate a
> lookup
> > for the following family.
> >
> > Lewis HUMPHREY died in Llanbrynmair in March 1841 (just missed the
census
> > drat him!) but his daughter, Jane**, was present at his death and
reported
> > it. Not sure if his wife, Mary (nee SWANCOTT) had also died by then.
> >
> > This leaves their HUMPHREY(S) children (all born Bont Dolgadfan) in 1841
> > presumably still living locally:
> > Richard (abt 20)
> > Jane (18)**
> > Hannah (16)
> > Anne (14)
> > Elizabeth (12)
> > David (9)
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Lizzie
> > Brisbane, Australia
> > FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991
> > outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004
> >
> >
> >
>
Cwmydalpha is situated about 2.5 miles from Kerry to the north of Kerry
Hill. To find it you would need to take the A489 out of Newtown to the
Kerry turn, drive through the village of Kerry until you come to a T
junction and then turn right, The farm is about 2 miles or so down the
lane. There were 3 properties by the name of Cwmydalpha at one time, Upper,
Lower and Blaen Cwmydalpha. The first two were farms of 250 & 215 acres
respectively, the third, I suspect was a farm cottage. Whether more than
one property is still standing I do not know. The 1881 ensus for these
properties does not give any of the names you mention as living at any one
of the properties.
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From: Sandieloo [mailto:sandieloo@btinternet.com]
Sent: 27 January 2005 21:37
To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] place name
hello can any one tell me where this place is please CWMYDALPHA it is near
Kerry i beleive looking for harris to have any thing to do with the surnames
of Benbow and colley sandy
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hello can any one tell me where this place is please CWMYDALPHA it is near
Kerry i beleive looking for harris to have any thing to do with the surnames
of Benbow and colley sandy
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At 04:05 22/01/2005, you wrote:
>I am looking for male descendants of Collwyn ap Tangno (supposed 11th founder of the 5th Noble Tribe of North Wales) or people who believe they may be descended from him who are willing to join the Welsh patronymics project of Family Tree DNA (http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=W80151&special=True&pr... and http://small-stuff.com/WELSH/ ) and take a free Y chromosome DNA test to establish the likelihood a common ancestor.
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Hi All,
To follow up on this, the project is as far as I can tell genuine but the offer of a free DNA test is separate from the project itself.
If you are interested, you might prefer to contact Tim directly at
timcj(a)atlas.co.uk as I understand that the project itself
>http://small-stuff.com/WELSH/
is not offering the FREE DNA test but instead offers a discounted test at $99. I am not sure exactly how the funding for the free test will be arranged, or indeed whether it is in fact in place yet. It may be that Tim's post was just putting out feelers to gauge interest.
Cheers,
Malcolm
Hello Malcolm,
As for the last sentence of your posting. I did just the same thing today.
Sounded out my brother. Of course he had no idea who Collwyn was, so I had
to enlighten him. His main interest was (grin) Where did all the money go?
No family historian there,but he is a fond brother and that is all I ask
really.
Maureen Jenkins
descendant of Collwyn ap Tangno. Unless proven different. (still smiling)
Back on the trail of my HUMPHREYS family again. If SKS has access to an
1841 census for the Llanbrynmair area I would very much appreciate a lookup
for the following family.
Lewis HUMPHREY died in Llanbrynmair in March 1841 (just missed the census
drat him!) but his daughter, Jane**, was present at his death and reported
it. Not sure if his wife, Mary (nee SWANCOTT) had also died by then.
This leaves their HUMPHREY(S) children (all born Bont Dolgadfan) in 1841
presumably still living locally:
Richard (abt 20)
Jane (18)**
Hannah (16)
Anne (14)
Elizabeth (12)
David (9)
Many thanks
Lizzie
Brisbane, Australia
FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991
outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004
Hello Listers,
There was a large article in our local newspaper this past Sunday of which
the headline reads:
"Male Choruses of Wales still uplift a nation"
I have scanned the article and inserted them into Word Documents, so if
anyone would like to read it I would be more than happy to send it to you
off-list.
Please feel free to request a copy from:
elisaac(a)msn.com
Elsie L Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!!
Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free!
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Dear Graeme
I have rellies in llanwrtyd and went to see some graves on one occasion.
As far as I recall, We followed the main road going upwards, taking the
left-hand fork in the village centre. (there is a pub at the junction ) for
quite some distance. Stay on this road and the cemetery should appear on the
right. It is a little over grown and up on a bank a bit so keep watch for
it. Also some of ours were buried in the Churchyard. keep going the same
direction and the church is on the left down a side road. the graveyard here
is larger and still in use. Sorry I can't be more precise I was only a
passenger and not the driver!!
JAN
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Dear Venita and John,
I was most interested to read your comments about the Broadhaven pictures. The
first, third and fourth beautifully illustrate the effect of atmosphere and
distance reacting together. I was given a FinePix a year ago and despite my
scepticism I have not used my SLRs since except for B&W. I have years old film
camera photographs of early morning Venice and early-ish morning in the City
(London) both of which are 'aqua tints' and true to colour; and of Bangladesh
where the brilliant sun washed out the colours, also true. So I am glad to see
that the digital camera will record the same. I have plenty of proof of its
capability to produce clear and brilliant A4 images on screen - I had a great
time with a sunset at Penmon, Menai straits in December!
Light is a wonderful thing! And thank you both for all the photographs,
instructive as well as beautiful.
Regards
Glenys
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Venita Roylance <venitar(a)mac.com> wrote:
Your photos of St Fagans are beautiful as far as color depth and sharpness
goes. In contrast, your photos of Broad Haven look overexposed. Weren't you
using the same camera? I'm wondering if you'd like to change the gamma or
something so they don't look so washed out.
==================
Dear Venita,
Thank you for your interesting observations about my 'Images of Wales'
features.
As you will see from the information on the first page of each feature, I
used different cameras on these two different occasions at different times
of the year:
- the Broad Haven photographs were taken on 5th March 2001 with a Sony
Mavica MVC-FD91;
- the St Fagans photographs were taken on 26 November 2002 with a Fuji
FinePix S602 Zoom.
I did not acquire the FinePix S602 until August 2002.
But the reason the colours are not as saturated and the contrast is lower in
the Broad Haven photographs is not due to my use of different cameras. It is
because of the different lighting conditions prevailing at the time. As I
state in my introduction to the Broad Haven feature, "The photographs were
taken in early afternoon in bright but hazy sunshine".
As is often the case at Broad Haven, there was a mist coming in from the
sea. I took similar photographs of Broad Haven on the same day for a client
using my 35-mm single lens reflex camera. They show the very same loss of
colour saturation and contrast as the digital images.
Many of my photographs of the exhibits at the Museum of Welsh Life were
taken in clear conditions in winter sunshine around lunchtime. Winter
sunshine tends to produce high contrast images. The Museum images are
sharper because they benefit from the higher native resolution of the camera
I was using.
I hope other Powys Listers will find these observations of interest.
Very best wishes,
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/
Images of Wales: http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/
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At 04:05 22/01/2005, you wrote:
>I am looking for male descendants of Collwyn ap Tangno (supposed 11th founder of the 5th Noble Tribe of North Wales) or people who believe they may be descended from him who are willing to join the Welsh patronymics project of Family Tree DNA
Hi All,
I have heard concerns that this offer may not be quite what it seems. The web site requires credit card details and refers to charges. Without going through the full login process I did not see an obvious reference to a free test.
The firm is based in the US and not the UK, so there may be difficulties if you have any problems with unexpected charges.
I have no knowledge of this organisation or offer, and was not approached before it was posted.
I would suggest that anyone wishing to follow up on this offer should carry out further research BEFORE giving out any financial details or entering into any commercial agreement, and to PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
If there is in fact a charge, the offer may be in contravention of UK laws and would certainly be in contravention of Rootsweb Acceptable Use Policy.
I have copied this email to the sender who may wish to clarify the position. In the meanwhile I would repeat my advice to carry out your own research before entering into any agreement or giving out financial details.
Malcolm List Admin
In a message dated 23/01/2005 20:51:02 GMT Standard Time, bebb(a)ntlworld.com
writes:
I have copied this email to the sender who may wish to clarify the position.
In the meanwhile I would repeat my advice to carry out your own research
before entering into any agreement or giving out financial details
Hello Malcolm
This came up on the Clwyd list as well! I thought I recognised the sender's
name (Tim Clement Jones) from somewhere!!
The only one that I can come up with is a Lib Dem Peer. I really don't think
it was him but, possibly!!!
Judy
Hello Alwyn,
Thank you for your interest.
As a matter of fact, Dr. Lewis Lloyd now deceased, with whom I had personal
contact, was convinced that my Robert Wynne was a son of Rev. Robert Wynne of
Maesynauadd, and I have followed clues along those lines in past years. I
also carried hopes that I had a connection with the Wynne's of Glyn, so far to
no avail. Of course, it is mostly elder sons that are written into
pedigrees, and I don't really know where my Robert Wynne would fit in. If Dr. Lewis
Lloyd proves in the long run, to be correct, it would of course, make Ellis
Wynne of Lasynys a brother in law of my Robert Wynne. I am always open to
suggestions for solving this continuing problem, so I thank you for your
suggestion.
I know that there were Wynne's of Cefn Cymerau around in about 1625, because
one of them was a Church Warden for Llanbedr then, and this fact was
mentioned in one document I read in the NLW
Also, just as a matter of interest, I once held a document dated 1585 (I
think, this from memory only at present), and Cefn Cymerau was written Keven
Kymere. I found this most interesting especially as there is supposed to be no
letter K in the Welsh alphabet. But, I have read an interesting article
concerning that one. It goes along the lines that in the times of early
printing, a selection of letters were set out in each box and either the letter C or
the letter K ran out early. Sorry I can't be more specifice, It was a long
time ago.
All the best for now,
Maureen
Dear Listers,
I have just uploaded a major new three-page "Images of Wales" feature onto
my website.
The webpages provide a record of my visit in November 2002 to the open-air
section of the Museum of Welsh Life at St Fagans, near Cardiff. The subjects
of my photographs are buildings, dismantled and transported from all over
Wales, and re-erected at the museum. The oldest building dates from the 13th
century, while the newest dates from the 1930s.
To view this new "Images of Wales" webpage, go to
http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/ and select the appropriate link.
Kind regards,
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/
Images of Wales: http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/
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Dear Listers,
The subjects of this week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' features,
uploaded onto my website earlier today, are:
1. The small coastal town of Broad Haven on St Bride's Bay in the county of
Pembrokeshire.
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in March 2001 (twelve
pictures).
2. An exploration of Old Tenby in the county of Pembrokeshire.
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998 (seven
pictures).
To view my Retrospective webpages, go to
http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Enjoy!!
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/
Images of Wales: http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/
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Hello Anon,
Unfortunately I am a female, although I do have a brother who is not
particularly interested in family history. He knows what I tell him.
The other unfortunate fact is that although he and I are descended from
Collwyn ap Tangno it is probably through another female line.
As follows:
Robert Wynne (gent) of Cefn y Cymera in Llanbedr Nr. Harlech 1716-1761
married Margaret Evans of Bleiddbwll. A failure in finding a baptism for Robert
Wynne in 1716 has brought on a brick wall for further investigation into his
direct line, but Margaret Evans is entered in J.E. Griffiths pedigrees of
Anglesey, Caernarvonshire and Merionethshire families, as of Cefn Cymera. She is
mentioned in her father's will and from this book, I was able to trace back
to Collwyn ap Tangno. So far, I have just availed myself of the will of
Margaret's father, one Evan Ellis, son of Ellis Evans etc.,
this family going backwards from Bleiddbwll, Broom Hall, and Tan y Bwlch.
So, as you are looking for male descendants only, then I don't know how it
would work for me.
Robert Wynne and Margaret nee Evans are my direct ancestors through my
father, all documented with certificates as far as possible, and before that
through BTs and parish registers for Llanenddwyn and Llanbedr parishes. These
parishes being about five miles either way between Harlech and Barmouth.
For now, best wishes,
Maureen Jenkins
Rhondda
Hi Linda
The following are held as follows:
-
Llanigon.
Christenings; 1712-85; 1788-1906.
Marriages; 1712-1971
Banns; 1824-1976
Burials; 1712-53; 1783-1953.
BTs. 1720-1; 1723-82; 1784-95; 1797-1809; 1813-52.
All at the National Library of Wales Aberystwyth.
At Powys Archives, Llandrindod Wells. All except BTs.
Hay.
Christenings. 1688-1895;
Marriages; 1688-1971.
Banns; 1841-1949.
Burials. 1688-1991.
BTs. 1687; 1713-14; 1720; 1723-52; 1756-95; 1797-1809; 1813; 1815-55; 1867.
Held as above.
Regards
Lloyd
Editor, Cronicl Powys,
Powys F.H.S.
www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs
----- Origina-- Message -----
From: "linda stewart" <linda.stewart(a)mail.com>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:20 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Hay Parish Records
> Hello List
>
> Can someone please tell me where I have to go to look at the parish
records for Hay on Wye and Llanigon?
>
> thanks
> Linda Stewart
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