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Hi Mag, and many thanks for your kind words. I am new to all this myself
really, only a year online in Powys, so I have to use my rusty local
knowledge, etc., to try and help out on the ground work a little! I have been
out of Wales for over 40 years, but some things we never forget.
I had a lovely note from Richard Meredith in Florida last night re old
families around here in Radnorshire, it was a great joy to read it. Too much
textbook stuff is really hard work at my age too, although we do need them. I
speak no Welsh either, we never had it in my youth at all. Keep up the good
work all of you, and very best wishes,
Dennis Cleaton, Llandrindod Wells, Powys.
Try the local Powys Information Office with email to " Llandpic(a)powys.gov.uk"
if you want to visit this area.
Hi Siani,
Did you get any replies on this? I am looking back on old mail now. Llanwnog
is west of Newtown, Mont/Powys, near the road to the coast and Machynlleth.
Regards,
Dennis C.
Hi Sue,
If you are referring to my message of 8th April, then yes, I do mean that I
looked at the whole 1861 for Brecknock as provided by the Powys FHS on CD
Rom. I also have the 1871 census for the sub district of LLangors RG10:5582
which I transcribed for the Powys FHS if that is of any use to you.
Regards
Tricia
First time on this list but hope someone can help me.
James Owens married Elizabeth Waring on August 27th 1852 at Hay, Brecon.
Elizabeth was born at Dorstone, Hereford 1932
Purchased the 1861 index for Hay but cannot find them listed.
Also have been unable to find them on 1881 and 1901 census.
Can anyone see James and Elizabeth in any area for 1861.
Patricia White
Hello list,
A brief update of research pertaining to the names I posted previously:
Margaret Harvey already mentioned we found a connection in our Parry lines.
As for the Jones side, I obtained the death certificate of my Richard
Jones, born about 1861 in Llanidloes. His father is listed as Evan Jones
and his mother as Margaret. (Unfortunately, I cannot read her maiden name).
The only Evan Jones living in Llanidloes on the 1881 census is a man
married to a Margaret and having children named David, Martha Jane,
Catherine M., Christmas E., Margaret M.,Emma M.,Rhys, Maurice, Phidelia P.,
Edith E., and Edward F. They range in age from 15 years to 6 months. This
family seems very probable as my Richard Jones' family. However, I need
another piece of evidence of course, because Richard was married and living
in Glamorgan by 1881. Richard on the 1871 census would be great!
Anyone who recognizes any of those family names and has knowledge, please
let me know. Also, I do now have accurate death years for Richard Jones and
his wife Gwen Parry, and an accurate birth date for Gwen Parry if anyone
else is in need for their trees.
Best Wishes,
Elysia in Virginia, USA
Hi to everyone,
Today I received my copy of the "Cronicl".
Looking forward to reading it this weekend.
Also my email address is not correct, it should read:
namnq5(a)bigpond.com
Kind Regards,
Ducie
Researching:
BRICK-Llandrindod Wells, Llanbister, Rads, Bettws-y-Crwyn,
Hopesay, Craven Arms, Beguildy, Shrop
Associated names: JONES, LLOYD, JAMES, WOOLLEY,
PALFREY, JOSEPH, BEAUMONT, FIELDING,
EDWARDS, PRYCE
EVANS - Nantmel, Llanbadarn-Fawr, Kinnerton, Rads,
Associated names: LEWIS, JONES, BRICK
Regards,
Ducie
Ducie Hood
Tweed Heads Northern NSW
Home of Mt Warning, where the sun first kisses Australia
Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project
http://freecen.rootsweb.com
I am researching my gr. gr. grandmother, HANNAH DAVIS HUGHES , who came to
America in about 1849 at the age of 32-33 with her 3-yr old son, RICHARD
HUGHES,.They settled in Pottawattamie Co., Iowa. She was a widow, I
believe, of (?) Hughes (?). She married HUGH JONES in October, 1850 in
Iowa. He was from Merionethshire and came from there in about 1841-42 or
so. I suspect she may have been from there also as she lived close to Hugh
Jones as indicated in the 1850 Iowa census. She and Richard were living
with a Mr. Morgan and sons. (I wondered if they might be relatives??)
Thank you for any help someone can provide.
Joan Longacre
Dear Gwyneth, Ihave the Census Index for Machynlleth for 1861 and 51. In
the1861 Index Abraham Francis sp u 16 MGY Llanbrynmair Penygeilan f121/p9.
Any good. I can look up to see where he is in 1851 if you are interested.
Best Wishes Margaret
----- Original Message -----
From: ieuan tomos <ieuanelis(a)itomos.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Abraham Francis
> Hello.
>
> Abraham Francis (35) and family lived at Garshon, Machynlleth at the time
of the 1881 Census. His youngest son Richard (1) could possibly be my
grandfather, although his age is not a match for his marriage in 1918, but
we know that the family lived in Machynlleth.
>
> Abraham was born in Trefeglwys, Mont. where there are a large number of
Francis in the 1881 Census; there are several in neighbouring parishes, also
born in Trefeglwys.
>
> Before I make my way to Aberystwyth, is there anyone else out there
interested in the Francis family of Machynlleth or Trefeglwys.
>
> Cofion.
>
> Gwyneth Tomos, Trawsfynydd.
>
Hi Ieuan,
I have found these two entries on the 1851 Montgomeryshire CDRom, Abraham is
probably too old on the first one. It looks as if the second one could be
the right one and it should be easy to get a birth certificate from the
appropriate Register Office, it will give the mother's maiden name and the
father's name. The index shows "ss" as the abbreviation for "stepson" but I
expect "sp" was also used as I can't think what else it would mean. By the
way I often find that my ancestors' ages are incorrect on their Marriage
Certificates..
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
Llanbrynmair Parish
FRANCIS John h m 46 Farmer 80a emp 3 lab. MGY Llanbrynmair Ty ucaf /f490/p8
FRANCIS Ann w m 45 MGY Llanbrynmair Ty ucaf /f490/p8
FRANCIS Thomas s u 13 Scholar MGY Llanbrynmair Ty ucaf /f490/p8
FRANCIS Abraham s u 10 Scholar MGY Llanbrynmair Ty ucaf /f490/p8
FRANCIS Jane d u 7 Scholar MGY Llanbrynmair Ty ucaf /f490/p8
FRANCIS Margaret d u 4 MGY Llanbrynmair Ty ucaf /f490/p8
HOWELLS Mary sv u 18 House servant MGY Darowen Ty ucaf /f490/p8
Parish of Penegoes
JONES James h m 29 FArmer 55a emp 1 lab CGN Llanbadarn Pengeilan /f155/p3
JONES Mary w m 34 Farmer's wife MGY Corris Pengeilan /f155/p3
FRANCES Abraham sp u 6 MGY Llanbrynmair Pengeilan /f155/p3
FRANCIS John sp u 4 MGY Trefeglwys Pengeilan /f155/p3
JONES Mary d u 2 MGY Trefeglwys Pengeilan /f155/p3
JONES James s u 5m MGY Penegoes Pengeilan /f155/p3
HUGHES Mary sv u 14 House servant MGY Trefeglwys Pengeilan /f155/p3
EDWARDS David sv u 18 Farm lab. MGY Machynlleth Pengeilan /f155/p3
----- Original Message -----
From: "ieuan tomos" <ieuanelis(a)itomos.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Abraham Francis
> Hello.
>
> Abraham Francis (35) and family lived at Garshon, Machynlleth at the time
of the 1881 Census. His youngest son Richard (1) could possibly be my
grandfather, although his age is not a match for his marriage in 1918, but
we know that the family lived in Machynlleth.
>
> Abraham was born in Trefeglwys, Mont. where there are a large number of
Francis in the 1881 Census; there are several in neighbouring parishes, also
born in Trefeglwys.
>
> Before I make my way to Aberystwyth, is there anyone else out there
interested in the Francis family of Machynlleth or Trefeglwys.
>
> Cofion.
>
> Gwyneth Tomos, Trawsfynydd.
>
>
Dear List,
My ancestress Jane MILES was baptized in Llanelly parish church in 1773 (named after an earlier sibling born in 1770 and who died in 1772). She was the daughter of William Thomas Miles and his wife Gwenllian. They also had a son Thomas who acted as a witness at their daughter Jane's wedding in 1796 which took place in the parish of Aberystruth (over the border in Monmouthshire) where the Miles' were living by this time. William Thomas Miles was buried in Llanelly parish church in 1786 as 'William Miles'. In 1789, his widow Gwenllian Miles is recorded in Bradney as living in Penycae which was the subject of a lease, party to which was John Miles, yeoman of Llangattock juxta Crickhowell (surely a kinsman of her husband?). Gwenllian Miles died in 1796 and was buried in Llanelly. Her daughter Jane married Edmund Henry (born in Merthyr of yeoman stock) and they lived in Penycae where Edmund Henry (gent.) amassed considerable wealth and reputation. Penycae was one of the old princ!
ipal estates in Aberystruth and belonged to the ancient landed family of MILES seated there from early times. All things considered, it seems likely that Jane's father, William Thomas Miles, was connected to this family somehow. I would be interested to find his marriage to Gwenllian - I have not found it in Llanelly so perhaps it took place in Aberystruth, his ancestral parish? I estimate that both he and Gwenllian were born in the 1730s and hence married in the 1750s (Jane 1773 was their last child). The name of William Thomas Miles interests me, is it a throwback to the custom of stringing names together under the patronymic system, i.e. William the son of Thomas MILES (he did name one of his elder sons Thomas)? If so, he may be found as William Thomas Miles or just William Miles. I look forward to any leads on this elusive but promising family.
Best wishes
James Phillips-Evans
Hello.
Abraham Francis (35) and family lived at Garshon, Machynlleth at the time of the 1881 Census. His youngest son Richard (1) could possibly be my grandfather, although his age is not a match for his marriage in 1918, but we know that the family lived in Machynlleth.
Abraham was born in Trefeglwys, Mont. where there are a large number of Francis in the 1881 Census; there are several in neighbouring parishes, also born in Trefeglwys.
Before I make my way to Aberystwyth, is there anyone else out there interested in the Francis family of Machynlleth or Trefeglwys.
Cofion.
Gwyneth Tomos, Trawsfynydd.
The Brecon Group of the Powys FHS are holding a meeting tomorrow (Monday)
night at the Jubilee Hall, Llanelwedd School at 7.30.p.m.
The subject is 'Undressing a Victorian Lady' by Mr and Mrs Manning and
everyone will be made very welcome.
Angela
Treasurer Brecon group Powys FHS
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Can anyone help please? My 2x great-grandfather, RICHARD THOMAS, b c1793 in
Llanhamlach, was living in "Meeting House", Llangors in 1851 and "Mark's
Cottage". Llangors, in 1861.
Please can anyone tell me anything about "Meeting House" or "Mark's
Cottage", or is anyone researching the Thomas family?
Thanks,
Alison,
Malvern, UK
Hi Craig,
Still looking for Benjamins I see! I have the 1851 and the new 1891 for MGY,
but only Bill Barkers CD for before that. Have you got it? There are some
BT's listed there.
Margaret said she is giving you a hand too. We are very busy here now....re
the 388th BG Assn visit, etc, plus Welsh Elections.... See you soon.
Cheers, Dennis
Hi Dennis,
Thanks for taking the trouble to look again for me.
Maybe your right and they did move to another area and them came back to
Brecon later. I found Isaac in Monmouthshire in 1851/1861/1871 and Glam in
1881, then he does his disappearing act and no sign of him or his wife Maria
after that. So when I'm able I think I will check out Monmouthshire 1841 and
see if I can find his family there.
Thanks again for your help.
Pat
Hi Vera,
Yes I have a record of the marriage between Charles and Mary at
Llanfihangel Tal-y-llyn and I have also found them on the 1851/1861 census
in the same place. Unfortunately I have not been able to locate them nor
Isaac on the 1841 census despite many visits to Brecon Library. Maybe the
fact that they are all missing confirms my suspicions that they are indeed
the same family! Nevertheless I need to prove this somehow. Hopefully I will
eventually find a baptism for Isaac.
I am very grateful for your help and for all the other assistance I have
received from this list.
Many thanks once again
Pat
Dear List,
I'm back on the trail of my direct paternal line after shamefully neglecting it for a couple of years! Lewis EVANS and Martha JONES (1780-1851) were married in Llanidloes in 1805, both of Llanidloes parish. However, thanks to the 1851 census I know that Martha was born in Llangurig and I was able to find her baptism there in 1780. She was the daughter of Thomas JONES, a hatter, and his wife Ann. They also had a son named Thomas in 1776 whose baptism is the earliest that I have found for the couple so I guess that Thomas and Ann were married circa 1770-1775, presumably in Llangurig parish church - any input anyone?
Next, although Lewis is absent from both the 1841 and 1851 census (presumed dead but no death or burial located in Llanidloes) I searched through the local parish registers, beginning with Llanidloes, to find only one Lewis EVANS in the right timescale baptized in 1779 in Llandinam (neighbouring parish/village to Llanidloes) the son of David and Margaret EVANS. Lewis and Martha named one of their sons David and the names Lewis and David are uncommon enough to assume that this is the right baptism. However, I have found no more children for David and Margaret in Llandinam although a David and Margaret EVANS baptized a couple of children in Llanidloes in the early 1790s, perhaps these are my Lewis' parents who moved to Llanidloes from Llandinam explaining Lewis presence and subsequent marriage there. I haven't found David and Margaret's marriage in Llandinam, perhaps it was in Llanidloes where they may have actually originated - any suggestions or information desperately !
needed and gratefully received.
Finally, Lewis EVANS junior (bap. 1808, s/o Lewis and Martha) married Jane OWEN in 1832 in Llanidloes. She was baptized in 1809 the daughter of Richard and Bridget OWEN. Would you believe it but there were two couples named Richard and Bridget OWEN who married in Llanidloes in the right period, either of whom could be my Jane's parents. What is one to do?
Best wishes
James Phillips-Evans