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Dear Charles,
The simple answer to your question is yes. Younger sons of gentleman often
became yeomen farmers when their fathers would give them (large) farms which
made up parts of the ancestral lands and estate. A prosperous yeoman could
often make his way up to the rank of gentleman as with my ancestor Edmund
Henry of Aberystruth in Monmouthshire. He started off as a tenant farmer's
son, became a yeoman/substantial freeholder and died a gentleman. His wife
was of the local Miles family who were an old family of landed gentry.
Throughout the centuries, different members of this family were referred to
as yeomen and gentlemen while they lived in the same places and with little
variation in their fortune. It is said that a yeoman of the seventeenth
century will almost certainly descend from at least petty/minor gentry as
social mobility was more difficult back then and significant landholding was
often dictated by one's family history. I'm not sure to what extent this is
true but it seems to make sense and certainly applies to my own findings. I
hope this helps.
Best wishes
James Phillips-Evans
dear all,
To illustrate just how important it is to use more than just
the net for research I would like to tell you about a recent visit my
husband and I made to the area his family came from.
First of all we were told that there might still be people with our
name in the village so we looked in the phone book and as there was we
rang the number and found a descendant of our gggrandfather. We
arranged a visit and on arrival found that there were other Rowlands
in the area. Also we tramped around the local cementaries and saw the
graves of gggfather and gggrandmother, plus the graves of two children
we didn't know they had.We were welcomed by a very old lady into her
home which had been the butchers shop of our Grandfather in 1902 and
found the shop area almost exactly as he left it. The butchers block
and the scales were still there as was the ornate wall tiling and the
shelving, it was truly amazing.
It was even great fun to be addressed by strangers with the greeting
"oh you've come to visit Mary about your family"
We had a very pleasant day out and learnt more in that one day
about our family than we would have ever have learnt on the net. So
don't miss out, if you can possibly visit do so. We are very glad we
did JAN
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From: "Edwin HAle (by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb(a)embetech.demon.co.uk>)"
<ejhale(a)ozemail.com.au>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:33 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Jones',Price & Lewis, and PUGH.
> Sue,
> Read your e-mail on the POWYS list.
> I am interested in the above names as follows.
> My JONES' were from
Maesmynis.
> My 2xgrt/grf'thr Evan JONES (c.16.Feb.1813, @ Maesmynis) married
> 20.Sept.1833 @ Maesmynis, a Jane JONES (nee Jones) of Cillarddu Farm,
> Maesmynis. (d/o. Rees Jones, farmer of Cillarddu).
> This marriage was conducted by the Rev.Charles PRICE, @ Maesmynis.
> Witnesses were:- Rees Jones & Sarah Jones.
> Evan Jones' father was William JONES (b.1782), married
18.Jun.1806 @
> Maesmynis, to Rachel PRICE.
> This couple were married by the same minister (Rev. Charles PRICE):
> and witnesses were:-John POWELL &
> Evan WILLIAMS.
> Sue, have you anything that seems likely to fit in or around these
folk
> and dates ?.
>
> William JONES (1782)possible s/o.John JONES(b.1750 @ Llanynis) &
Eleanor
> PUGH (b.1748, of Llangammarch).
> Anything to suggest would be of great help as I am a
> 'shut-in' ( of 80yrs.old) and am missing the privilege of being able to
get
> 'out & about' for ones' self.
> Would appreciate any help that you may be able to
give.
> Yours
> kindly.
>
> Edwin
> P.S. We are in Victoria of Australia; emigrated 1963. Coming
from
> the Rhondda Valley, Glamorgan.
>
> E.
>
> Hallo Edwin,
Thank you for your e-mail. I am sorry I can't help you. The only Price I
have definite knowledge of is Ann Price my ggrandmother x 4 who was married
at Llanigon Breconshire in 1766 to my ggrandfather x 4 Evan Maddy.
My grandfather was born in the Rhondda Valley at Gelli but lived in Ynysybwl
and Mountain Ash Glamorgan most of his life.
Best wishes,
Sue in Suffolk
Dear Listers,
Here's a question for you on Welsh society at the turn of the 17th and 18th
centuries:
If a man was described as a gentleman, did that imply that his sons would
also be categorised as gentlemen? Or was the social mobility such that his
sons might descend the social ladder? I imagine that some sons might enter
the professions, but how about becoming categorised as yeomen (i.e. the
better class of farmer / employers)?
The question arises because I can trace a branch of my family tree in
Montgomeryshire back to a yeoman. I have a possible connection a generation
earlier, but it is with a gentleman, and I am trying to assess how likely it
is that the two people are father and son.
All comments gratefully received.
Best regards,
Charles Stephens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Vicky" <mharding(a)ihug.co.nz>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: [POWYS] Re:MADDY
>
> >Dear Sue and Angela,
> In reply to two messages from Sue and Angela , While I was looking for
> my EVANS family in Itton I saw these two MADDY's thought they might be
> handy as Brecon is mentioned.
> Tidenhem Census 1871 RG10/5294 pg 32
> Yewberry House
> Walter G. MADDY Head Mar 57 retired farmer Brecon Hay
> Mary A. MADDY wife Mar 59 Gloucester Brunisfird?
> Regards Vicky HARDING Nee EVANS
> Some of My interests :
> PEMBER.ADDIS,DAVIES .WILLIAMS ,Brecon,
>
> >Dear Vicky,
Thanks very much. Will add them to my list of Maddys. They will probably
fit in somewhere one day.
Best Wishes,
Sue in Suffolk
My research agrees with yours. Much discussed in the current book I am
reading on Winston Churchill's ancestors. 1st son followed father's
career, further sons chose between farming, clergy or military.
Dawn in California
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:22:53 +0100 "James Evans"
<Blorenge(a)btopenworld.com> writes:
> Dear Charles,
>
> The simple answer to your question is yes. Younger sons of gentleman
> often
> became yeomen farmers when their fathers would give them (large)
> farms which
> made up parts of the ancestral lands and estate. A prosperous yeoman
> could
> often make his way up to the rank of gentleman as with my ancestor
> Edmund
> Henry of Aberystruth in Monmouthshire. He started off as a tenant
> farmer's
> son, became a yeoman/substantial freeholder and died a gentleman.
> His wife
> was of the local Miles family who were an old family of landed
> gentry.
> Throughout the centuries, different members of this family were
> referred to
> as yeomen and gentlemen while they lived in the same places and with
> little
> variation in their fortune. It is said that a yeoman of the
> seventeenth
> century will almost certainly descend from at least petty/minor
> gentry as
> social mobility was more difficult back then and significant
> landholding was
> often dictated by one's family history. I'm not sure to what extent
> this is
> true but it seems to make sense and certainly applies to my own
> findings. I
> hope this helps.
>
> Best wishes
> James Phillips-Evans
>
>
>
Let's make the 19th Century UK Census Free to View On-line at:
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/
!!! Ask me how to get involved !!!
Edwin I too have just read your list re Jones.
Our John Lawrence Jones son of John Jones & Sarah Thompson
who married 1823 in LLangammarch. ( Note your spelling of
LLangmmarch ) that is how it was spelt on my ancestors wedding
certif, I have been corrected many times on the net for my spelling
of the town.
Our John came to Australia as an off sider on a ship carrying through
horses.
Regards
Kath N S W Oz.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwin HAle (by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb(a)embetech.demon.co.uk>)"
<ejhale(a)ozemail.com.au>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:33 AM
Subject: [POWYS] Jones',Price & Lewis, and PUGH.
> Sue,
> Read your e-mail on the POWYS list.
> I am interested in the above names as follows.
> My JONES' were from
Maesmynis.
> My 2xgrt/grf'thr Evan JONES (c.16.Feb.1813, @ Maesmynis) married
> 20.Sept.1833 @ Maesmynis, a Jane JONES (nee Jones) of Cillarddu Farm,
> Maesmynis. (d/o. Rees Jones, farmer of Cillarddu).
> This marriage was conducted by the Rev.Charles PRICE, @ Maesmynis.
> Witnesses were:- Rees Jones & Sarah Jones.
> Evan Jones' father was William JONES (b.1782), married
18.Jun.1806 @
> Maesmynis, to Rachel PRICE.
> This couple were married by the same minister (Rev. Charles PRICE):
> and witnesses were:-John POWELL &
> Evan WILLIAMS.
> Sue, have you anything that seems likely to fit in or around these
folk
> and dates ?.
>
> William JONES (1782)possible s/o.John JONES(b.1750 @ Llanynis) &
Eleanor
> PUGH (b.1748, of Llangammarch).
> Anything to suggest would be of great help as I am a
> 'shut-in' ( of 80yrs.old) and am missing the privilege of being able to
get
> 'out & about' for ones' self.
> Would appreciate any help that you may be able to
give.
> Yours
> kindly.
>
> Edwin
> P.S. We are in Victoria of Australia; emigrated 1963. Coming
from
> the Rhondda Valley, Glamorgan.
>
> E.
>
Can anyone please tell me what R.A.R.E. Militia was?
I have found my grandfather's brother serving as a Sapper in Beaumaris in 1901; also does anyone know where he might have been stationed in Beaumaris? I have only got him on the index at the moment.
Many thanks..Gloria
Hello from sunny Sussex, Can one of you experienced researchers tell me if the Marriage Bonds will add any information to what I already have from Parish Registers? Margaret Holmes
Julie Preston <juliepreston(a)ameritech.net> wrote:
One aspect of research that everyone needs to understand is that you
can't rely on locating the records you need online or from lookup
volunteers --- at some point, every researcher must actually use
libraries, record offices, archives, etc., and join the local Family
History Society to take advantage of materials they have published or
accumulated and offer help to members.
====================
Dear Listers,
I find it refreshing to hear experienced researcher Julie Preston
reminding us that we cannot hope to conduct successful family history
research solely by using the resources of the Internet.
It is unfortunate that the popular media continues to misinform and
mislead the general public into believing that family history is now
simply a matter of searching the Internet - and that if we search hard
enough we'll find that someone has already done the work for us.
The content of many of the messages posted on the Powys List (and other
genealogy mailing lists) leads one to conclude that those new to
genealogy believe:
(a) that genealogical research should be easy,
(b) that their family history is hidden away somewhere on the Internet,
and
(b) that all the research can be conducted from the comfort of their
computer desk.
There is no doubt that the Internet provides us with a marvellous
research tool - but it is just one of many different tools and resources
that we need to employ if we want to conduct successful research.
For most of us, our personal family history research is breaking new
ground. We are the first members of our family properly to investigate
our family history. No one has done it before. Even when it *has* been
done before we often find the results are unreliable because the quality
of the previous research was poor, and needs to be revisited.
Genealogy can be a difficult, frustrating, and sometimes infuriating
pastime. But the challenges it presents are what makes it such a
fascinating and rewarding hobby.
Kind regards,
John
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E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/
Welsh Family History Archive (WFHA): http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/
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Hi Millie,
Enjoy the museum, but try to get to Rorke's Drift one day, and then go to
Ishandwana (the main battle of which Rorke's Drift was a "sideshow"), I defy
any body not to be moved by that battlefield.
Fred Jones in sunny Johannesburg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Millie Wolff" <mwolff(a)sasktel.net>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Re: Closing off
> More to add. Having watched the movie "Zulu" at least three time, it's
> definite that we will be going to the South Wales Borderer's Museum!
> Thanks again,
> Millie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KMo1015835(a)aol.com>
> To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Re: Closing off
>
>
> > Not sure what your interests are, but a few suggestions.
> > Although most of our local really old castles have been destroyed, a
> > fortified manor house that is relatively intact is Stokesay Castle,
close
> to
> > Clun.
> > http://www.castlewales.com/stokesay.html
> >
> > Close to Llandrindod is the Elan Valley, an area of open upland and
lakes.
> > Nearby is Gilfach, a restored Welsh longhouse.
> > http://www.westwales.co.uk/gilfach.htm
> >
> > For spectacular scenery try the Abergwesyn Pass
> > (quote) The spectacular road that crosses the mountains from Abergwesyn
to
> > Tregaron was originally a drovers' route, along which cattle was driven
to
> > English markets in the 18th and 19th centuries. There are breathtaking
> views
> > around the Devil's Staircase, a steep and tortuous zigzag section of the
> road.
> > (end quote)
> >
> > As far as old monasteries go, we have Llanthony Priory. This is another
> > drive through open countryside, along single file roads, with great
views
> > from Hay Bluff before you get to the Gospel Pass.
> > http://www.glynmeddigbarn.co.uk/llanthony_priory.htm
> > kmo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________
Hi Carole and All,
I also have been following the thread with interest. Living in the colonies,
a lot of my work has been done at the local LDS. Then the machine came along
and after reading some useful stuff and also some that I recognised as
absolute rubbish, I put my toe in the water with one of the county lists
(not Powys) and the reaction from the listers was not encouraging. One of
them suggested that I read FAQs which in my ignorance at that time took to
be a euphemism for an extremely rude English expression and told them so! I
was then very gently corrected!!
But I ask, where is the abbreviation "FAQ" explained? It certainly is not in
the dictionary; I was told go to "my" website and all will be revealed, and
so it was, but nowhere else have I found a reference to the particular site.
My point after all this is that every day somebody "new" will appear,
whether inexperienced in family history or to computers and they (we) look
to others for help and assistance, no matter how silly the question may
appear to the more experienced.
As my father said, "The man who asks a question appears to be a fool for two
minutes, the man who does not ask the question is a fool for the rest of his
life".
It is up to more experienced family historians to show that the Internet is
not the be all and end all of research - a point that academics are trying
to put across to their students at universities world-wide.
Fred Jones in sunny Johannesburg
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From: "C. Foster" <laurel(a)optusnet.com.au>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:47 PM
Subject: [POWYS] (POWYS) The right and wrong approaches to Genealogy
> Dear Listers,
> I have been following this thread with interest and
can see both sides of the
> debate.
>
> I spent 25 years with weekly visits to a LDS Family History library, going
over microfilm and
> microfiche. Sharing my joys and sorrows with the other researchers. Now
I am restricted because
> my new (temporary I hope) living arrangements have meant that the LDS is
too far away for me to
> travel in one day.
>
> I do understand the frustratons of not getting near the information
and the delight in seeing
> the original entry rather than an index on CD.
>
> My gripe is with those "new" researchers who have joined the lists,
received a welcome from the
> list holders often with information as to how to conduct research, how to
use the lookup exchange,
> who to contact and *never* to forget the Genuki site and Cyndi's Lists.
>
> And yet the questions asked by some show that they have obviously not
taken the time to read the
> information sent; nor have they made any attempt to learn, from Genuki and
other sites, what kind of
> information is available.
>
> Questions such as a "lookup in the 1801 Census" or "where to get the
1814 birth certificate" do
> not deserve an answer, yet how many times does someone take the time to
inform the asker.
> On one list I recently saw a request for a Census lookup pre 1800 !.
>
> I do not think that any of us on the lists are unwilling to help when
asked, BUT, when it is
> obviously shown that the request comes from a total lack of homework which
should have been
> done then it becomes harder to be helpful.
>
> That's my turn on the soap-box,
> Reagrds,
> Carole in Oz.
> Surnames of Main Interest (since 1970) -
> Cornwall: TREMAYNE, MORRISH, COCK, BARTLE
> Hampshire: BOYT, BUTLER, HAYDEN, WHITE, JONES
> London: SULLIVAN, BARNETT
> Middlesex: JONES
> Norfolk: WARD, GYMER, NORTON
> Somerset: GILLETT, BROWN, MALE, PAYNE, LAMB
> Suffolk: WARD, DOWNS, UPCROFT, HAMMOND, GREEN, FREELAND, EAGLE, NOBLE
> Sussex: OLIVE/OLIVER, MARTIN, KEMP, RANDALL
> Yorkshire (Hull): JOHNSON
> Shetland Islands: JOHNSON
> Cardiganshire, Wales: PARRY, JONES
> Glamorganshire, Wales: PUGH, HATTON
> Monmouthshire, Wales: PARRY, JENKINS, HATTON, GURNEY, JELEMAY
> Radnorshire, Wales: PUGH, PROSSER
> Co. Fermanagh, Ireland: JOHNSTON
> Co. Meath, Ireland: FOSTER, FITZPATRICK
> Co. Monaghan, Ireland: HUGHES
> Norway: SORENSEN
> Sweden: JOHNSON
>
> ______________________________
>Dear Sue and Angela,
In reply to two messages from Sue and Angela , While I was looking for
my EVANS family in Itton I saw these two MADDY's thought they might be
handy as Brecon is mentioned.
Tidenhem Census 1871 RG10/5294 pg 32
Yewberry House
Walter G. MADDY Head Mar 57 retired farmer Brecon Hay
Mary A. MADDY wife Mar 59 Gloucester Brunisfird?
Regards Vicky HARDING Nee EVANS
Some of My interests :
PEMBER.ADDIS,DAVIES .WILLIAMS ,Brecon,
>Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:11:40 +0100
>From: "Sue" <sue(a)cartref27.fsnet.co.uk>
>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>er>
>Subject: Re: [POWYS] names - MADDY/PROBERT
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Angela Jones" <angieprobertjones(a)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:09 AM
>Subject: Re: [POWYS] names - MADDY/PROBERT>
> > Hi Sue
> > I have got a Harriet or Hannah Maddy born abt 1815 at Pipton near
>Glasbury.
Sue,
Read your e-mail on the POWYS list.
I am interested in the above names as follows.
My JONES' were from Maesmynis.
My 2xgrt/grf'thr Evan JONES (c.16.Feb.1813, @ Maesmynis) married
20.Sept.1833 @ Maesmynis, a Jane JONES (nee Jones) of Cillarddu Farm,
Maesmynis. (d/o. Rees Jones, farmer of Cillarddu).
This marriage was conducted by the Rev.Charles PRICE, @ Maesmynis.
Witnesses were:- Rees Jones & Sarah Jones.
Evan Jones' father was William JONES (b.1782), married 18.Jun.1806 @
Maesmynis, to Rachel PRICE.
This couple were married by the same minister (Rev. Charles PRICE):
and witnesses were:-John POWELL &
Evan WILLIAMS.
Sue, have you anything that seems likely to fit in or around these folk
and dates ?.
William JONES (1782)possible s/o.John JONES(b.1750 @ Llanynis) & Eleanor
PUGH (b.1748, of Llangammarch).
Anything to suggest would be of great help as I am a
'shut-in' ( of 80yrs.old) and am missing the privilege of being able to get
'out & about' for ones' self.
Would appreciate any help that you may be able to give.
Yours
kindly.
Edwin
P.S. We are in Victoria of Australia; emigrated 1963. Coming from
the Rhondda Valley, Glamorgan.
E.
Hello, Edwin
I have Jones and Price from Brecon in my family Llandilo'r Fan Rees Price
married Rebecca Powell 27th September 1794.
Anne Price Daughter 20th July 1808
Rebecca 7th August 1814 Maescuttau? Farmer
Mary Price daughter 15th February 1796. (mine).
A Rees and Rebeka turned up at Tycenoin 1841 aged 75 and 70 respectively.
Rees was a butcher by trade.
Maria or Mary Price married Morgan Jones from Devynnog at Llandilo'r Fan
15th December 1815. I have as yet not been able to locate the burial place
of Rees and Rebecca Price.
Regards Heather in Yorkshire
Listers,
My 2xgrt/gr'fthr. Evan JONES (c16.Feb.1813) Maesmynis,Brec.
married Jane JONES (nee Jones, of Cillardddu Farm, Maesmynis), on
20.Sept.1833. (Her father was Rees Jones of Cillarddu Farm, wha married a
Sarah JONES). The minister was the Rev.Charles Price; & witnesses were Rees
JONES & Sarah JONES; and both Evan & Jane signed the register. Evan JONES
was the s/o. William JONES (b.1782, Maesmynis) who married on
18.Jun.1806 a Rachel PRICE: This couple too were joined in marriage by the
same minister, Rev. Charles PRICE.
The witnesses to this marriage were:-John POWELL & Evan WILLIAMS.
Anyone have anything in common with these names: the JONES' & PRICE, of this
period, please get in touch with me at:-
ejhale(a)ozemail.com.au
> Kind regards.
>
> Edwin.
>
>
Re John Jones and Thomas Davies. of Colwyn Hundred, 1841 census
Limiting the choice to those between 45 and 55 , still leaves six John Jones,
three of them farmers and three agricultural labourers.(None from Glanravon)
But all the Thomas Davies are either under 35 or over 65.
Sorry I couldnt find anything more specific.
KMo
Hi James
Have been away for a week, hence the late reply.
>Is there a marriage index for the county
>of Breconshire covering the 1830's?
Each issue of 'Cronicl Powys' contains details of a number of
indexes relating to Powys.
Member Alan Powell and Bryan Hemmings have compiled an index to
Breconshire, Radnorshire and Monmouthshire marriages which can be
searched free. All three indexes cover 1754-1812, indexed by groom,
while over half of Monmouthshire has been indexed by bride and
groom. The marriage index for Radnorshire has been extended to cover
1813-1837, indexed by groom.
[NB: Monmouthshire parishes not yet indexed: Trevethin, Monmouth and
Abergavenny]
There is a small charge for a successfully located marriage to cover
their travelling costs, etc to various repositories.
Alan Powell can be contacted at: aapowellma(a)lineone.net
Regards
Mike Hall
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Evans <Blorenge(a)btopenworld.com>
To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 24 August 2002 19:06
Subject: [POWYS] Marriage of John and Mary Evans of Bwlch
>Dear List,
>
>Is there a marriage index for the county of Breconshire covering
the 1830's? I am trying to find out if the marriage of John Evans
and his wife Mary, both from Carmarthenshire, took place before or
after leaving their home county. Their first children, John and
Margaret, were born in about 1836 in the village of Bwlch although
they soon moved to Beaufort in Llangattock. It is possible that they
were married in Llanfihangel Cwm Du or even in Cathedine, both
churches in use by residents of Bwlch village. Curiously, I have
been unable to find any baptism record of John and Margaret, John
and Mary Evans' first children. I have searched everywhere for them
but they are not to be found. Any scraps of information about this
family, particularly those which record the family in Bwlch, would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Best wishes
>James
>
Thanks Vicky - I have got 3 Maddys now!
Good luck with your research
Angela
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Hello KMo !,
Were any of the 40 John Jones in the Colwyn 1841 Census about 50 and drovers
from Glan-yr-afon?
Were any of the 20 Thomas Davies about 50 and farmers from Llanhowel ?
Thanks for all your help.
Godfrey
----- Original Message -----
From: <KMo1015835(a)aol.com>
To: <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Can you solve this mystery?
> Good luck with the search.
> There are more than 40 John Jones in the Colwyn 1841 census and over
twenty
> Thomas Davies,
> As regards locations, Morris's were at Glanravon at that census and
Evan's
> at Llanhowell, with Powells at Llanhowel Turnpike Gate
>
> Also it might be worth checking another Llanravon (named Glanrafon on the
> first Ordanance Survey) which is just to the North, on the edge of the
Radnor
> Forest but in the township of Tynlan in the Cefnllys Hundred.
>
>
I have the Wood family back to Abraham, who married Mary Jones in Llanfair in 1747. I have Richard Williams, born Worthen, whose father John, born about 1802, gave Berriew as his birthplace. Does anyone else have an interest in these families, or any knowledge of them?
Ken Wood
Ottawa Canada
jkwoodis(a)rogers.com