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Mary
Thank you for your message, unfortunately our trees do not coincide at the
moment.
As you note, my searches have left the Wigan area just now and are
concentrating at the Hawarden record office and in the Mold area in North
Wales.
However, if you need some desperate information from the Wigan archives then I
will try to obtain it if I can.
John Alan Davies
Earl
Thank you for your message re :-The Wales IGI
It has confirmed my investigations on THOMAS DAVIES / JANE SHONE being my
direct ancestors.
The list of children you have included from the Mold Bishops transcripts fully
confirms it.
Best regards
John Alan Davies
Just a little correction:
>We should soon be getting a mention in Family Tree Maker magazine. Due to
>print schedules, it will be the June edition.
As you all knew, I really meant "Family Tree Magazine".
(Well, it's Monday morning!)
Malcolm
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do you know where or if i can order any census fiche for 1841/51/61/71?
I'm particularly interested in purchasing, Llangollen, LlanarmonDC,
Llansilin, Llandudno, Llannerchymedd, Amlwch and area.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hughes,Mark
>Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 2:22 PM
>To: 'Julie Preston'; 'CPZACHRY'; 'Powys Genealogy'
>Subject: RE: Jones-Llanfyllin
>
>
>************************************************************************
>***********
>do you know where or if i can order any census fiche for 1841/51/61/71?
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Julie Preston [SMTP:anpreston@email.msn.com]
>>Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 1:43 PM
>>To: CPZACHRY; Powys Genealogy
>>Subject: Re: Jones-Llanfyllin
>>
>>
>>Cyndy,
>>
>>You need to order the 1841-1871 census for these parishes, I think.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Julie Preston
>>anpreston(a)msn.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: CPZACHRY <cpzach(a)ktc.com>
>>To: Powys Genealogy <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 3:40 AM
>>Subject: Jones-Llanfyllin
>>
>>
>>>I have hit a dead in and hope that someone can help me pick up new leads on
>>>the following family from Llanfyllin.
>>>Henry JONES born: 18 December 1795 in Llanfyllin
>>>Married: Jane WILLIAMS born: 7 July 1797 in Llanwddyn
>>>Children(all born in Llanfyllin) were:
>>>
>>>Evan-born 24 October 1838
>>>Sarah-born 31 December 1820
>>>Henry-born 22 September 1822
>>>John-born 18 May 1824
>>>Jane-born 14 May 1826
>>>Mary-born 12 October 1830
>>>Edward-born 26 1832
>>>Elizabeth-born 28 June 1835
>>>
>>>If you have any connection with any of the above I would appreciate hearing
>>>from you.
>>>I have been unable to get past 1795 birth of Henry and would appreciate any
>>>help that can be given.
>>>
>>>Cyndy Zachry
>>>cpzach(a)ktc.com
>>>
>>>______________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
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do you know where or if i can order any census fiche for 1841/51/61/71?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julie Preston [SMTP:anpreston@email.msn.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 1:43 PM
>To: CPZACHRY; Powys Genealogy
>Subject: Re: Jones-Llanfyllin
>
>
>Cyndy,
>
>You need to order the 1841-1871 census for these parishes, I think.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Julie Preston
>anpreston(a)msn.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CPZACHRY <cpzach(a)ktc.com>
>To: Powys Genealogy <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 3:40 AM
>Subject: Jones-Llanfyllin
>
>
>>I have hit a dead in and hope that someone can help me pick up new leads on
>>the following family from Llanfyllin.
>>Henry JONES born: 18 December 1795 in Llanfyllin
>>Married: Jane WILLIAMS born: 7 July 1797 in Llanwddyn
>>Children(all born in Llanfyllin) were:
>>
>>Evan-born 24 October 1838
>>Sarah-born 31 December 1820
>>Henry-born 22 September 1822
>>John-born 18 May 1824
>>Jane-born 14 May 1826
>>Mary-born 12 October 1830
>>Edward-born 26 1832
>>Elizabeth-born 28 June 1835
>>
>>If you have any connection with any of the above I would appreciate hearing
>>from you.
>>I have been unable to get past 1795 birth of Henry and would appreciate any
>>help that can be given.
>>
>>Cyndy Zachry
>>cpzach(a)ktc.com
>>
>>______________________________
>
>
>
Cyndy,
You need to order the 1841-1871 census for these parishes, I think.
Best regards,
Julie Preston
anpreston(a)msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: CPZACHRY <cpzach(a)ktc.com>
To: Powys Genealogy <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 3:40 AM
Subject: Jones-Llanfyllin
>I have hit a dead in and hope that someone can help me pick up new leads on
>the following family from Llanfyllin.
>Henry JONES born: 18 December 1795 in Llanfyllin
>Married: Jane WILLIAMS born: 7 July 1797 in Llanwddyn
>Children(all born in Llanfyllin) were:
>
>Evan-born 24 October 1838
>Sarah-born 31 December 1820
>Henry-born 22 September 1822
>John-born 18 May 1824
>Jane-born 14 May 1826
>Mary-born 12 October 1830
>Edward-born 26 1832
>Elizabeth-born 28 June 1835
>
>If you have any connection with any of the above I would appreciate hearing
>from you.
>I have been unable to get past 1795 birth of Henry and would appreciate any
>help that can be given.
>
>Cyndy Zachry
>cpzach(a)ktc.com
>
>______________________________
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****************I have an early Kyffin (I think Madog Kyffin) in my
family tree , 1500s....
The name could be derived from Cynfyn I suppose (I'm thinking of the
likes of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Prince of Powys) Some people are also
called Gyttin etc.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Hill [SMTP:davehill@julian.uwo.ca]
>Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 2:32 AM
>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: KYFFIN
>
>
>I'm researching the KYFFIN family name, and am looking for any information
>regarding KYFFINS anywhere... I understand that the Kyffin name originated
>in Montgomeryshire. Is it a common name? Is it found anywhere else in Wales?
>Is there a history with the name? I'm pretty much at a dead end in Canada so
>I hope you folks came help me. Thanks!
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>Dave Hill
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My family (Hughes) were Copr Miners in Anglsea, is there an index at all
of Anglsea Copper Miners?
Joyce, when is Gwynnedd going to have a mailing list like Clwyd?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joyce Hinde [SMTP:gwyfhs@nol.co.uk]
>Sent: Sunday, March 29, 1998 11:09 AM
>To: german(a)jarman.net
>Cc: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Jarmen/German name
>
>
>Hi
>There are Jerman and German families on Anglesey in the 1881 census return.
>
>There seems to be some misapprehension regarding John Rowland's "Surnames
>of Wales".
>It gives interesting reading regarding how the surnames of Wales evolved but
>one has to remember that most places in Wales had either copper mines, coal
>mines, slate quarries or iron works to which many migrant workers were
>imported. In Anglesey a copper mine found by a Scot named Fraser was
>discovered in 1760 and the owners brought in many skilled miners from
>Cornwall. They settled down and their relatives are living here still and
>consider themselves to be as welsh as the Jones, Williams and Hughes.
>Frasers, Beer, Treweek and many other names were handed down through the
>centuries.
>
>Joyce Hinde Gen.Sec. GWYNEDD FHS
>Email: gwyfhs(a)nol.co.uk
>http://www.nol.co.uk/~gwyfhs
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julie Preston <anpreston(a)email.msn.com>
>To: german(a)jarman.net <german(a)jarman.net>; POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
><POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: 28 March 1998 11:08
>Subject: Re: Welsh equivalent?
>
>
>>John,
>>
>>GERMAN/JARMAN is not a name of 'patronymic' origin -- I've never seen it
>>used as a given name in Wales.
>>("Surnames of Wales" makes no mention of it, either, as a given name)
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Julie Preston
>>anpreston(a)msn.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John L. German <german(a)jarman.net>
>>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 5:29 PM
>>Subject: Welsh equivalent?
>>
>>
>>>Can somebody please tell me the Welsh equivalent of the given name
>>>Germain or Germane? (Presuming such a variation exists.) Jarman is a
>>>very common English variation. Thanks.
>>>
>>
>>______________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hello all,
Just to let you know:
As of 9.30 am BST Mon 30th March, the list has 162 subscribers (including
me!), of whom approximately 60% are in mail mode and 40% in digest mode.
Thank you all for your support!
We should soon be getting a mention in Family Tree Maker magazine. Due to
print schedules, it will be the June edition.
Rootsweb, the organisation that provides the computers and does most of the
real work for the Midmarch, Glamorgan, Dyfed and Powys mail lists (plus a
few thousand others!) announced a 20% daily increase in traffic in February
(versus Jan), despite El Nino snowstorms and power outages.
They sent out close to 90 million pieces of mail to the 3,050+ (2,600 in
Jan) mailing lists they host.
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yes verch, ferch or merch will appear for daughter of, depending on
spelling/end of first name.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DGMattesUK [SMTP:DGMattesUK@aol.com]
>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 10:37 PM
>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: 'Ap' not always male
>
>
>Seems I've read that 'verch' was used to indicate 'daughter of'?
>
>Glenda Mattes
>DGMattes(a)aol.com
>
I do have a Benjamin Jones and a William Jones in a family from
Llandudno (they were in the late 1800s-early 1900s, kinsmen of mine)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Janice B. Edwards [SMTP:wagsjan@sover.net]
>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 3:02 AM
>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: SAYWOOD surname
>
>
>An elderly friend is trying to put together her history before it's too late
>for her. Her details are sketchy.
>
>She knows a family member, Benjamin Jones, m someone named Lucinda and they
>had a son,
>William Jones. Apparently Benjamin married a second time and had a daughter
>who was named Ida Jane Saywood. She doesn't have locations, but believes
>North Wales in the 1870's.
>
>Has anyone ever run across the name SAYWOOD?
>
>Janice
>
Forwarded message - if you are able to help Kim, could you please reply or
cc by direct email.
Thanks,
Malcolm Powys list sponsor
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Looking for any information on my ggrandfathers parents or siblings.
David Wilson Jones was born Dec. 5, 1885 in Port Dinorwic, Caernarfonshire.
His parents were Thomas and Catherine Jones (nee Jones). I think David had
atleast one sister. He emigrated through Liverpool on the Arabic Oct. 31,
1909 and arrived in New York, USA on Nov. 8 or 9, 1909. He was sponsored by a
J.E. Jones in McKeesport, Pennsylvania and settled in the Pittsburgh ares. He
married Minnie Dapper and had a daughter, Teresa Jane Jones who married Albert
J. Panner.
David had some contact with a Harold and Mame JONES in Rhyl, Flintshire, and
their son John JONES lived in Liverpool, England and moved to Shrewsbury in
Shropshire, England, in 1968.
I would appreciate any help.
Thank you
Kimberly Weichel
KimW112(a)aol.com
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Hello list,
Rosemary Shipsey, who runs the Midmarch list, has a web site where she
lists members' interests for the list. Since the Midmarch and Powys lists
both cover Breconshire, Rosemary has kindly offered to add Breconshire
surnames from Powys list subscribers also. If you're interested:
>Hello all
>
>If you wish your Breconshire surnames to be included on my page, please can
>you send me details, ie
>
>Parish
>Surname
>Period
>Your name and email address.
Rosemary's address is Rosemary Shipsey <winchcombe(a)dial.pipex.com>.
Rosemary will also be happy to tell you how to subscribe to the Midmarch
list, which also covers Monmouthshire and adjoining English counties, if
you have interests in that area.
Malcolm
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>I am interested in this ancestor. Angharad Ap Williams b abt 1478,
>Bodorgan, Anglesey, Wales
<snip>
Gail Mikesell
thinner(a)cybernect.com
Hi Gail
Are you sure this name is correct?
As well as the 'Ap or ap' error which possibly was there originally instead
of 'verch' (ferch in modern orthography) which was usually shortened to
'vch' or 'vz' in documents and meant 'daughter of', the name which follows
should be the GIVEN name of her father i.e. 'William' and not a SURNAME
such as 'Williams'.
The change from 'William' to 'Williams' took place around the 18th century.
I doubt very much that you would find a Welsh 'Williams' in Wales in the
15th century.
BTW I have come across instances in my family tree of females (as late as
the 1940s) whose names were of the form 'Angharad ap William'. In this case
the patronymic name had become 'frozen' and somehow managed to survive
without the loss of the 'ap' as the SURNAME 'ap William'.
Best regards
Dick Jones
Leigh-on-Sea, Essex. U.K.
John Alan Davies
The Wales IGI shows:
Thomas DAVIES m: 27 Dec 1817 Mold, Flint, Wales
spouse: Jane SHONE
source: Film 455175 an LDS submission
children of this marriage include:
John chr: 7 Nov 1818 Mold, Flint
Sarah chr: 20 Apr 1823 Mold, Flint
Mary chr: 31 Jan 1829 Mold, Flint
Edward chr: 21 Jul 1833 Mold, Flint
source: Film 104814 Mold Bts, Flint christening records 1817-1834
Earl Ross
I'm researching the KYFFIN family name, and am looking for any information
regarding KYFFINS anywhere... I understand that the Kyffin name originated
in Montgomeryshire. Is it a common name? Is it found anywhere else in Wales?
Is there a history with the name? I'm pretty much at a dead end in Canada so
I hope you folks came help me. Thanks!
Dave
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>G/Grandfather Edward Ellis, born North Wales 1831 emigrated to Victoria
>Australia around 1853. Can anyone suggest most likely Welsh port(s) of
>embarkation? If and where details of embarking passengers are to be found?
> What would have been the common route taken by ships destined for
>Australia in the mid 19th century? Thanks to any member who can offer
>suggestions.
>Don Fraser. Calgary Alberta Canada.
Hi Don
Just because he was born in North Wales doesn't mean that he would
necessarily have embarked at one of the small Welsh ports. The most
important emigration port in Britain and northern Europe was Liverpool and
by a long way.
In virtually all cases the best series of passenger lists are found in the
country of destination. Prior to the Australia Act, 1901, all emigrants
were registered at state level. New South Wales was the senior colony from
which Victoria separated in 1851 and Queensland in 1859, therefore some
early records for these states are still held at the New South Wales
archives. Some indexes have been printed by the New South Wales archives.
Probably most emigrants to Australia were subsidised and therefore vetted
to some extent, but it is important to realise that no applications to
emigrate were necessary in 19th century Britain.
With regard to help with passenger lists, embarkation ports and ships have
you tried the mailing list 'TheShipsList'.
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BTW I would think the common route would have been via the Cape of Good
Hope, South Africa. (The Suez Canal did not open until August 1869.)
Best regards
Dick Jones
Leigh-on-Sea, Essex. U.K.
Hi Mike and all,
I know the exact location of Tyn-y-berth, Radnorshire, because I
photographed it for Eleanor yesterday!! It's about 2 miles along the road
running westwards from the A483 (between Llandrindod Wells and Newtown) to
Pant-y-dwr on the B4518 (between Rhaeadr and Llanidloes). On the A483, the
road is signposted to Bwlch-y-sarnau. It's not marked on my Geographia Road
Atlas, but it's on the O/S Landranger map (#147)
Cheers,
John (in South Wales)
johnball(a)enterprise.net
Welsh Family History Archive:
http://homepages.enterprise.net/johnball/wales/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Ronica Hall <micronic(a)hallmark.kc3ltd.co.uk>
To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com <POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com>; Morning Star Ranch
<enns(a)man.net>
Date: 29 March 1998 7:30
Subject: Re: Histories of houses & farms
>Hi Eleanor
>
>There are likely to be a few Tyn-y-berth farms in Radnor.
>
>Since you are a Powys FHS member - try writing to your Radnor Group
>Librarian (with 2 IRCs and you membership number) - she may be
>familiar with the farm name if you can give inhabitants' names as
>well.
>
>Incidentally, the PFHS Radnor 1851 index which is now COMPLETE is
>only a short index - Under parish gives name and forename (forenames
>where room permits), age, parish of birth and folio number but NO
>ABODE etc)
>
>Powys Archives has a card index by parish. If you knew the parish
>they might have a document listed referring to that farm. There may
>be eg sales particulars, deeds, estate maps, etc.
>
>Powys Archives Office has plans for a more comprehensive index - but
>this will take time to set up and build into something useful.
>Hopefully this will be on computer not cards, but we shall see.
>
>If you find the address it would be worth writing to the 'occupier'
>or find out the name of the owner and write asking what they know.
>It is surprising how many people look into their house history - we
>have them turning up at Powys FHS meetings even tho they have no
>interest in FH.
>
>Good Luck.
>
>Mike Hall
>Editor, 'Cronicl Powys', journal of Powys FHS
>
>micronic(a)hallmark.kc3ltd.co.uk
>
> http://www.kc3ltd.co.uk/~micronic/
>
>Why not make our URL a bookmark/favourite!
>
>
>
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>> From: Morning Star Ranch <enns(a)man.net>
>> To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Histories of houses & farms
>> Date: Sunday,29 March 1998 00:56
>>
>> Hello: I read in the index of back issues of the Cronicl that
>there was an
>> article on how to trace the history of a farm. Would histories
>that have
>> been done be recorded and would they be available for purchase? I
>am
>> interested in a farm in Radnorshire named Tyn-y-berth.
>>
>> Eleanor
>> enns(a)man.net
>
>
Virginia
Thank you for your message.
Please note that the Clwyd list is a closed one at the moment but you can
gain access by joining the Clwyd Family History Society.
Unfortunately, I do not have enough time to visit the Hawarden record office
and Mold area too often but I have plans to eventually search through
cemetery records etc. particularly in Mold itself since the last information
regarding my DAVIES searches concerns
158 Pentre......Mold........ as stated on the 1841 census.
John Alan Davies
Hi Betty (Cousin).............3 times removed I think!?
Thank you very much for your email - we both share the same Gr-Gr-Grandparents
who are
John Davies and Mary Lewis (confirmed re - Mold)
Their children were
Thomas
William*** b1842 m Margaret Halliwell...........My Gr-Grandfather
Sarah
Jane
Phoebe
Maria
John
Mary Ann*** your Gr-Grandmother
Edward
Elizabeth Ann
My Gr-Grandfather William was brother to your Gr- Grandmother Mary Ann
I have details of the 1861 census showing your Mary Ann (age 6 )living at
86 Warrington Road Ince Wigan
and then on the1871 Census (age 15) at 94 Warrington Road which was known
locally as Hilton House.
She was then shown to be a cotton spinner.
Regarding Mary Davies (widow of 71) on 1891 census, could you please confirm
the address she was at with
Mary Ann.
As a point of interest, I live just outside the Ince/Wigan area and can access
the local records and history shop quite easily..
Furthermore as outlined in my last message my searches are now in the Mold
area via the Hawarden Record office as per the last message.
Hope this information is towards what you be looking for and any further
information from your angle would be greatly appreciated.
Please do not be confused by the addressee of my email i.e. Dave Green, it is
not my name as you have realized.
Hope to hear from you soon
Regards
John Alan Davies