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In a message dated 1/5/02 7:32:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, freeman(a)tsn.cc
writes:
<< He was buried at West Dapto Roman
Catholic Cemetery, where a headstone commemorates him. >>
Bonsoir David,
Thank you for the wonderful story. I will pass it on to the other Marceau
researchers and see if anyone knows anything about it.
As for the headstone, I have a picture of the headstone and a copy of the
newspaper article about Joseph Marceau's death. I also have a copy of a
picture of Joseph Marceau and his wife, Mary Barrett.
Joseph left three children in Quebec, Odillon, Zephirin and Amelie. Odillon
moved to Montana and the Marceau line in that state are his decedents.
I have certainly enjoyed this exchange of information.
Carol Anne
In a message dated 1/5/2002 6:33:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, freeman(a)tsn.cc
writes:
<< It seems hard to believe when they came
from opposing camps? >>
David - what mean? Both the American group and the little band of French in
Quebec were fighting for the rights of Canadians against the British in a
time of oppression. Same year - same war - same side - locations slightly
different.
I love the bit about the axes - didn't know that! The entrepreneurial
spirit lives on, I guess, despite adversity. A good axe would have been
priceless in the Australian wilderness of the time - hope they made some
money!
About those who stayed - I think a goodly number did, Canadians and
Americans. Joseph Marceau was the only one of the group of French prisoners
(a few more than 40, as I recall) who did, so far as I have read.
This exchange has been a lot of fun - would love to hear more of it.
Regards to all,
Ginny
In a message dated 1/5/2002 4:09:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, freeman(a)tsn.cc
writes:
<< hi Ginny and list
You mention Joseph Marceau
I am interested in what happened to him when he returned to Australia.
Have you (or anyone else) any details?
David Freeman
freeman(a)tsn.cc >>
Yes - my cousin Carol Anne Chiniquy has accumulated a lot of information on
him - she has MARCEAU in her lines, and has learned a good deal about Joseph
Marceau's Australian experience and his descendants there. He also had
several children who remained in Quebec when he was transported to Australia
- but his wife died during the time of his sentence. Accordingly (it seems)
- he stayed in Australia and sired a second family with a second wife.
Today, he has a number of descendants there - also in Quebec, I think,
descended from family #1.
I'm sure Carol Anne would be glad to hear from you on this - her eMail
address is:
Chiniquy(a)aol.com
Best regards to all,
Ginny Crawford
Carmel Valley CA USA
Bonsoir David,
I don't understand your statement that Joseph Marceau returned to Australia.
Joseph was sent to Australia from his home in Canada for his part in the 1837
Rebellion and when he was finally pardoned, he remained in Australia and
never returned to his three children in Canada. He was the only french
canadian who did not return to his home in Canada. I have never heard of Ira
Polley or the story about importing axes from America.
Art Marceau has just returned from visiting Kevin Marceau in Australia.
Kevin is a direct decedent of Joseph Marceau and his wife, Mary Barrett, who
he married in Australia. Art may have some new information for me when he
gets in contact with me.
I hope this helps,
Carol Anne
In a message dated 1/5/02 6:33:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, freeman(a)tsn.cc
writes:
<< Hi Carol Anne
One report in Australia had that JM returned to Australia with Ira
Polley (IP) and one other and imported American axes - do you know any
background to this story?
Did JM and IP know each other? It seems hard to believe when they came
from opposing camps?
Do you know who the third person was who was purported to have
returned? Some documents have that it was only JM, however IP did
return, married and had lots of children as did JM.
I am also trying to find out how and when IP returned.
Thanks
David >>
In a message dated 1/5/02 4:09:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, freeman(a)tsn.cc
writes:
<< Hi Ginny and list
You mention Joseph Marceau
I am interested in what happened to him when he returned to Australia.
Have you (or anyone else) any details?
David Freeman
freeman(a)tsn.cc
>>
Bonsoir David,
I am Ginny's cousin and I can help you with info on Joseph MARCEAU (my gr gr
uncle). What would you like to know ?
Carol Anne
Ginny/Bonnie:
Joel PEELER was also among those executed who has descendants, including me.
Paul Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jefferson County NY" <jeffcony(a)earthlink.net>
To: <PATRIOTS-WAR-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Patriots-War] Patriots data
> Hi Ginny
> Thanks nice to hear from you..
>
> I believe it was Asa Priest, but I can seem to find message we sent.
>
> I am still interested adding information on
> Francois GUERTIN - and Joseph MARCEAU, to the participant bio pages.
>
> afraid the buffalo didn't record much in the way of statistical
information
> on the convicts.
> really sorry, but as I read through the records the only data is if they
> where married or single,
> and sometime lists the name of the wife number of children, and country
they
> came from...
>
> and yes I am still looking for data on those executed sent to VDL.
>
> I found a nice person to take a few pictures around VDL,
> as soon as I receive them I'll put them on line...
>
> the HMS Buffalo sank June 1840, and there are pictures of leg irons, found
> on the wreck too.
> Keep in touch
> Bonnie Shafer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VCrawf(a)aol.com [mailto:VCrawf@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:24 AM
> To: PATRIOTS-WAR-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [Patriots-War] Patriots data
>
>
> In a message dated 1/5/2002 7:26:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> sagemarie98(a)earthlink.net writes:
>
> << Three ships were used in transporting patriots from upper Canada to VDL
> Canton
> Marquis of Hastings
> HMS Buffalo >>
>
> Hi, Bonnie - wonderful data you are putting together! Congratulations
on
> finding so much, and many thanks.
>
> You may recall that I have an interest in one of the French prisoners,
> Francois (I think) GUERTIN - and my cousin Carol Anne Chiniquy is tracking
> Joseph MARCEAU: could you direct us to the statistical information on
these
> two? They were shipped aboard the "Buffalo".
>
> We have quite a bit on them, but not the shape of the head and visage and
> facial hair!
>
> PS - are you still working on finding what happened to the families of the
> executed Americans? Can't remember the surname of the one you and I
> talked
> about last - was it Abner something? - and it interestingly appeared that
he
> was a descendant of a 1776 patriot fighter. Upper New York people, as I
> recall.
>
> Best regards and many thanks to you for any info.
>
> Ginny Crawford
> Carmel Valley CA USA
>
>
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More on our patriots
Exiled to VDL aboard the HMS Buffalo
Arrived VDL 12 Feb 1840.
Asa Priest died on board while in transport to VDL
Edwin Merritt, died at Port Arthur 22 Mar 1867
John Sprague, died at Campbell Town Station 24 Sep 1845
Exiled to VDL aboard the Marquise of Hastings
Arrived VDL 18 Jul 1839.
Garret Van Camp died HM Colonial Hospital 03 Sep 1839
John McNulty died HM Colonial Hospital 19 Jul 1839
Alexander McLeod died HM Colonial Hospital 24 Jul 1839
not sure where HM Colonial Hospital is located, could be Port Arthur.. still
checking...
7 convicts aboard the Marquise of Hastings are reported to
have died while in transport to VDL I have found only three names so far.
(HM)(S)= Her Majesty (Ship)
(VDL) = Van Diemans Land
More to come.
Bonnie Shafer
boni(a)nnygenealogy.com
Patriots Project.. can be found at
www.nnygenealogy.com
In a message dated 1/5/2002 9:32:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeffcony(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< I believe it was Asa Priest, but I can seem to find message we sent. >>
Yes, yes - it was Asa, not Abner. Interesting that he apparently came from
a family with a track record as fighters for liberty! I recall that we did
get quite a bit of information on his antecedants - with locations, etc., to
make it easier to find his descendants if they stayed in those areas.
About GUERTIN and MARCEAU:
I would like to find out who Joseph Guertin's parents were - IF POSSIBLE!
There are, as you may imagine, a good many with that name at that time. It
appears he came from the St. Denis/Richelieu area - very near my own
ancestors.
In any event, I do know that anyone bearing the GUERTIN surname was
descended from LOUIS GUERTIN dit LE SABOTIER - a young man who emigrated from
Anjou in France in 1653 as part of a militia group whose members were to (a)
protect the Montreal area (then called Ville Marie) from Iroquois attacks,
and (b) then settle there and become citizens of New France.
As to MARCEAU - Joseph was the only one of the French prisoners who did not
return to Quebec - except for one who died on the way out, aboard the
"Buffalo". Carol Anne now has a lot on Joseph, including his extensive
Australian family and subsequent descendants. She is in contact with
MARCEAU family members there.
Cheers, and thanks for all your good work.
Ginny
VCrawf(a)aol.com
Hi Ginny
Thanks nice to hear from you..
I believe it was Asa Priest, but I can seem to find message we sent.
I am still interested adding information on
Francois GUERTIN - and Joseph MARCEAU, to the participant bio pages.
afraid the buffalo didn't record much in the way of statistical information
on the convicts.
really sorry, but as I read through the records the only data is if they
where married or single,
and sometime lists the name of the wife number of children, and country they
came from...
and yes I am still looking for data on those executed sent to VDL.
I found a nice person to take a few pictures around VDL,
as soon as I receive them I'll put them on line...
the HMS Buffalo sank June 1840, and there are pictures of leg irons, found
on the wreck too.
Keep in touch
Bonnie Shafer
-----Original Message-----
From: VCrawf(a)aol.com [mailto:VCrawf@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:24 AM
To: PATRIOTS-WAR-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Patriots-War] Patriots data
In a message dated 1/5/2002 7:26:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sagemarie98(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< Three ships were used in transporting patriots from upper Canada to VDL
Canton
Marquis of Hastings
HMS Buffalo >>
Hi, Bonnie - wonderful data you are putting together! Congratulations on
finding so much, and many thanks.
You may recall that I have an interest in one of the French prisoners,
Francois (I think) GUERTIN - and my cousin Carol Anne Chiniquy is tracking
Joseph MARCEAU: could you direct us to the statistical information on these
two? They were shipped aboard the "Buffalo".
We have quite a bit on them, but not the shape of the head and visage and
facial hair!
PS - are you still working on finding what happened to the families of the
executed Americans? Can't remember the surname of the one you and I
talked
about last - was it Abner something? - and it interestingly appeared that he
was a descendant of a 1776 patriot fighter. Upper New York people, as I
recall.
Best regards and many thanks to you for any info.
Ginny Crawford
Carmel Valley CA USA
==============================
To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go
to:
http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
In a message dated 1/5/2002 7:26:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sagemarie98(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< Three ships were used in transporting patriots from upper Canada to VDL
Canton
Marquis of Hastings
HMS Buffalo >>
Hi, Bonnie - wonderful data you are putting together! Congratulations on
finding so much, and many thanks.
You may recall that I have an interest in one of the French prisoners,
Francois (I think) GUERTIN - and my cousin Carol Anne Chiniquy is tracking
Joseph MARCEAU: could you direct us to the statistical information on these
two? They were shipped aboard the "Buffalo".
We have quite a bit on them, but not the shape of the head and visage and
facial hair!
PS - are you still working on finding what happened to the families of the
executed Americans? Can't remember the surname of the one you and I talked
about last - was it Abner something? - and it interestingly appeared that he
was a descendant of a 1776 patriot fighter. Upper New York people, as I
recall.
Best regards and many thanks to you for any info.
Ginny Crawford
Carmel Valley CA USA
Update on the patriots Project
Some very interesting facts found on a few of the convict records received
from the Australian archives.
Here is a sample:
George Cooley
Trade - Farmer
Height with out Shoes - 5/4
Age on 18 July 1839 - 21
Complexion - Dark
Head - Round
Hair - Brown Black
Whiskers - None
Visage - Oval
Eyebrows - Brown
Eyes - Hazel
Nose - Small
Mouth & Chin - Large
Remarks - Scar on rt cheek
Single and in good heath
Received Life for High Treason, ships surgeon reports he was an orderly
convict.
Transported aboard the Marquis of Hastings on for high treason in upper
Canada
for his participation at the Battle of Short Hill.
Arrived VDL on 18 Jul 1839.
~~~
Three ships were used in transporting patriots from upper Canada to VDL
Canton
Marquis of Hastings
HMS Buffalo
***Few facts on the Patriots Exiled to Van Deimans Land.
Free pardons were finally granted to the Patriot exiles in VDL early in
1844,
but few men were granted pardons at the time. Most had to wait from six
months and two years.
By the middle of 1845 less than half of the Patriots had received their free
pardon.
Nor was there any assistance available for their return passages.
Twenty-eight American patriots managed to get passage aboard Steiglitz an
American whaling ship.
By 1845 it was presumed in England and Canada that everyone had been
pardoned, yet eighteen still remained in VDL.
Eleven American names had been left off the original US consuls list.
Others had their original 1844 pardons held back at the governors pleasure.
Patriot Linus Miller arrived in New York early in 1846, and began writing
letters to New York newspapers on behalf of those left behind.
In July the British government reacted to mounting pressure from the US
Ambassador and called for a report on the remaining Patriots in VDL.
A year later the Crown sought closure on the Patriot case by authorizing
pardons for all those who remained in VDL.
A pardon was given to Horace Cooley late in 1849, but records show he been
issued a full and free pardon in March 1844, but had never been informed..
Patrick White had also fallen through the cracks in the system, in 1850 he
was granted a conditional pardon only. Since the terms of a conditional
pardon restricted freedom to Australia only.
Moses Dutcher, who married in VDL, seems to have stayed in the colony.
Jacob Beamer was re-sentenced in Victoria in 1850 and was sent back to the
penal system in VDL.
Four Americans remained in the convict system:
1. Joseph Stewart had been pardoned in 1844 but it never had never released.
2. George Cooley had been left off the American consuls list, possibly
because of a persistent confusion with Horace Cooley.
3. William Reynolds was also left off the list, perhaps because of the young
man of the same name who had been pardoned in England. Each of these men had
tried to escape when it was apparent they weren't to be pardoned and
consequently had their tickets-of-leave revoked, so they were returned to
hard labour, they may have never left VDL.
4. John Berry was pardoned in October 1844, but never told until 1857, he
returned to America.
More to come.
Bonnie Shafer
Patriots Project..