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I also use none. I code my own.
Sheila
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>I use none
>i code by hand
>
>BarbL
>
>Dennis wrote:
>
>> Hi I am new to the board and recently volunteered to take on the
Susquehanna
>> County Coordinator position. I would like to know what kind of editor
>> everyone is using. I am currently using Front Page. It's cumbersome to
work
>> with, but I get things done. I would like to have a simple program that I
>> don't have to publish to my hard drive before I ftp it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dennis Fox
>> Susquehanna County Coordinator
>> pingman(a)usol.com
>> www.foxgenealogy.com
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I use none
i code by hand
BarbL
Dennis wrote:
> Hi I am new to the board and recently volunteered to take on the Susquehanna
> County Coordinator position. I would like to know what kind of editor
> everyone is using. I am currently using Front Page. It's cumbersome to work
> with, but I get things done. I would like to have a simple program that I
> don't have to publish to my hard drive before I ftp it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis Fox
> Susquehanna County Coordinator
> pingman(a)usol.com
> www.foxgenealogy.com
Hi I am new to the board and recently volunteered to take on the Susquehanna
County Coordinator position. I would like to know what kind of editor
everyone is using. I am currently using Front Page. It's cumbersome to work
with, but I get things done. I would like to have a simple program that I
don't have to publish to my hard drive before I ftp it.
Thanks,
Dennis Fox
Susquehanna County Coordinator
pingman(a)usol.com
www.foxgenealogy.com
I do this to
I have my page divided into a left and right table
The left side is for basci information, addresess, Nara etc the right
side is
new links for the county. I have it divided into various things as well
and the
new links are added under each new heading with a sign that says new and
when I updated it. I have alot of people contributing
can hardly keep up with them these days :o)
BarbL
Webmaster wrote:
> Okay, this will be my last "tip". :-) For today
> anyway.
>
> Something else that has worked well for me is
> this. Wherever I have a list of things, like queries
> or personal web page links or look-up volunteers
> or a list of articles, I always add the newest one
> to the top of the list on the web page.
>
> This way every contributor gets their chance to be
> at the top of the list (and subsequently near it)
> for some period of time. This makes contributors
> feel better about their contribution.
>
> Also, folks that visit the page will see that latest
> addition immediately on loading the page. They
> won't have to scroll to the bottom of the page every
> time they check in. (Not a huge burden, but it's
> something that annoys me when I visit informational
> sites, so I suppose it annoys a handful of others.)
>
> But to make sure visitors know that new info
> is added to the top of the list, I tell them so in
> a brief comment at the top of the page.
>
> Jean Suplick Matuson
This is a wonderful idea
I tend to post the new stuff added at the top of the page including what
was added to the Archives, it also seems to be working. :o)
BarbL
Thanks for sharing
Webmaster wrote:
> I agree with Mary about busy backgrounds, overly busy
> pages etc. I think we need to keep a balance and
> prevent over-stimulating our readers to the point of
> distraction.
>
> While we're on the subject of what makes websites
> more usable, I have another suggestion.
>
> Not long after I started with the PAGenWeb project,
> it became clear that I needed to keep track of what
> I was doing with the site from day to day. That was
> for my own sanity.
>
> Then it occurred to me. [Light bulb on!] A lot of
> folks read websites the way they read newspapers.
> Once read, that's it. They don't go back. But of
> course, we PAGenWeb-ers know that we're constantly
> adding new stuff, modifying old stuff, always improving
> and expanding.
>
> So, I created a changes page. It's not my idea, just
> one I borrowed. It is like a diary. I put the date and
> any changes I made. The latest entries are at the
> top of the page (for the convenience of the reader).
>
> For an example, see:
> http://www.chartiers.com/pages-new/bull-1998.html
>
> I don't go into great detail on the changes page. Partly
> that's to keep the burden of work down, but mostly
> that's because the changes page sort of acts as a teaser
> to get readers to look at the changed pages. I've not
> had a single complaint about that.
>
> Anyway, the results of a survey I've been conducting
> since late last year show that the "changes" page is
> very popular.
>
> Now, I have to admit that over the last several months
> I have been _really_ remiss about keeping this year's
> "changes" page current. I'm guilty!!!! However the idea
> still works very well.
>
> Jean Suplick Matuson
It is important to keep "loyal" visitors to show that you're doing
something. I found a neat little CGI script which is on each of the
counties I host that does a search for any file that has changed in the past
30 days. It doesn't tell you what changed on the page, but it is a quick
way for visitors to find out what you've been up to. If anyone is interested
in it, let me know.
Nate
-----Original Message-----
From: Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@chartiers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:26 AM
To: PAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [PAGEN-L] Adding a "Changes" page
I agree with Mary about busy backgrounds, overly busy
pages etc. I think we need to keep a balance and
prevent over-stimulating our readers to the point of
distraction.
While we're on the subject of what makes websites
more usable, I have another suggestion.
Not long after I started with the PAGenWeb project,
it became clear that I needed to keep track of what
I was doing with the site from day to day. That was
for my own sanity.
Then it occurred to me. [Light bulb on!] A lot of
folks read websites the way they read newspapers.
Once read, that's it. They don't go back. But of
course, we PAGenWeb-ers know that we're constantly
adding new stuff, modifying old stuff, always improving
and expanding.
So, I created a changes page. It's not my idea, just
one I borrowed. It is like a diary. I put the date and
any changes I made. The latest entries are at the
top of the page (for the convenience of the reader).
For an example, see:
http://www.chartiers.com/pages-new/bull-1998.html
I don't go into great detail on the changes page. Partly
that's to keep the burden of work down, but mostly
that's because the changes page sort of acts as a teaser
to get readers to look at the changed pages. I've not
had a single complaint about that.
Anyway, the results of a survey I've been conducting
since late last year show that the "changes" page is
very popular.
Now, I have to admit that over the last several months
I have been _really_ remiss about keeping this year's
"changes" page current. I'm guilty!!!! However the idea
still works very well.
Jean Suplick Matuson
Jean,
Great idea that I try to do on a regular basis as well. It really does help
in bringing people back. I find it suprising that some folks on the mailing
list aren't aware of what is on the county pages or even in some cases that
there is a county page.
Nate
-----Original Message-----
From: Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@chartiers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:07 AM
To: PAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [PAGEN-L] Public service announcements
Here's a tip about something that has been working
very well for me over the last year.
On a regular basis, I try to send what I call a "public
service announcement" to my county's email list. (Note
I am not the list owner.) This is a great way to keep
folks on the list reminded about your site. Also, it is
a great way to keep them up to date on stuff. A sampling
of topics I've posted:
- Are you having a reunion? (generated about 8 responses about
reunions I posted on my "Reunions" page)
- Easy way to subscribe/unsubscribe (points to a page at my
website that has a form for subscribing/unsubscribing to the
county email list).
- Guide for the perplexed (a missive describing how Rootsweb,
USGenWeb, GenConnect, email lists, etc. all relate (and
how they don't)
- Pointer to my page for visitors to the county (has maps to the
library and courthouse, links to the local county visitor's
bureau for accomodations, plus more)
- Obituaries (challenging folks to add obits to the GenConect
obit board - got about 55 new ones in a 9 day period)
- Funeral homes in the county (a reminder that I have a page
on my website listing most of the county funeral homes that
are active with contact info)
- A plug for my maps page (loads of maps that pertain to the
county)
Etc.
One thing I've noticed is that readers will become bored with
a website and sometimes need to be reminded that there is
some good, useful stuff out there they might have overlooked
the last time they visited. These reminders keep them
coming back and the readers.
Jean Suplick Matuson
yes....it's on-line with over 35,000 visitors in just one month!
Nate
-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila [mailto:hhelser@bright.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:04 PM
To: PAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [PAGEN-L] PA?
Has anyone seen Pennsylvania Genweb?
Sheila
Okay, this will be my last "tip". :-) For today
anyway.
Something else that has worked well for me is
this. Wherever I have a list of things, like queries
or personal web page links or look-up volunteers
or a list of articles, I always add the newest one
to the top of the list on the web page.
This way every contributor gets their chance to be
at the top of the list (and subsequently near it)
for some period of time. This makes contributors
feel better about their contribution.
Also, folks that visit the page will see that latest
addition immediately on loading the page. They
won't have to scroll to the bottom of the page every
time they check in. (Not a huge burden, but it's
something that annoys me when I visit informational
sites, so I suppose it annoys a handful of others.)
But to make sure visitors know that new info
is added to the top of the list, I tell them so in
a brief comment at the top of the page.
Jean Suplick Matuson
I agree with Mary about busy backgrounds, overly busy
pages etc. I think we need to keep a balance and
prevent over-stimulating our readers to the point of
distraction.
While we're on the subject of what makes websites
more usable, I have another suggestion.
Not long after I started with the PAGenWeb project,
it became clear that I needed to keep track of what
I was doing with the site from day to day. That was
for my own sanity.
Then it occurred to me. [Light bulb on!] A lot of
folks read websites the way they read newspapers.
Once read, that's it. They don't go back. But of
course, we PAGenWeb-ers know that we're constantly
adding new stuff, modifying old stuff, always improving
and expanding.
So, I created a changes page. It's not my idea, just
one I borrowed. It is like a diary. I put the date and
any changes I made. The latest entries are at the
top of the page (for the convenience of the reader).
For an example, see:
http://www.chartiers.com/pages-new/bull-1998.html
I don't go into great detail on the changes page. Partly
that's to keep the burden of work down, but mostly
that's because the changes page sort of acts as a teaser
to get readers to look at the changed pages. I've not
had a single complaint about that.
Anyway, the results of a survey I've been conducting
since late last year show that the "changes" page is
very popular.
Now, I have to admit that over the last several months
I have been _really_ remiss about keeping this year's
"changes" page current. I'm guilty!!!! However the idea
still works very well.
Jean Suplick Matuson
Here's a tip about something that has been working
very well for me over the last year.
On a regular basis, I try to send what I call a "public
service announcement" to my county's email list. (Note
I am not the list owner.) This is a great way to keep
folks on the list reminded about your site. Also, it is
a great way to keep them up to date on stuff. A sampling
of topics I've posted:
- Are you having a reunion? (generated about 8 responses about
reunions I posted on my "Reunions" page)
- Easy way to subscribe/unsubscribe (points to a page at my
website that has a form for subscribing/unsubscribing to the
county email list).
- Guide for the perplexed (a missive describing how Rootsweb,
USGenWeb, GenConnect, email lists, etc. all relate (and
how they don't)
- Pointer to my page for visitors to the county (has maps to the
library and courthouse, links to the local county visitor's
bureau for accomodations, plus more)
- Obituaries (challenging folks to add obits to the GenConect
obit board - got about 55 new ones in a 9 day period)
- Funeral homes in the county (a reminder that I have a page
on my website listing most of the county funeral homes that
are active with contact info)
- A plug for my maps page (loads of maps that pertain to the
county)
Etc.
One thing I've noticed is that readers will become bored with
a website and sometimes need to be reminded that there is
some good, useful stuff out there they might have overlooked
the last time they visited. These reminders keep them
coming back and the readers.
Jean Suplick Matuson
Hmmm, as long as we're on the subject.....
I don't mind frames though I prefer not to use them and unfortunately, much
of the time, they seem to be serving little purpose. If the frames are
being used to help the visitor navigate thru the pages easier, then I think
they're great. If not, then I have to ask why use them? If they're only
being used to show off a web technology, then I think they're probably out
of place in a project like ours.
What I really have a hard time with though are pages that have overly-busy
backgrounds that can give older eyes a hard time when reading them and
pages that take a long time to load either because they have a lot of
graphics on the page or because the page has too much information crammed
on it. It doesn't matter how good your content is if the visitor gets tired
before they finish reading it. And if it's the first page of your site that
has an overly busy page, the very person you're trying to reach and help
may never get past that first page. The biggest problem I have with some of
these overly crowded pages is that many of them seem to lack any form of
organization and I may not have the patience to scroll thru 30 or 40
screens of information to find the gem that the webmaster hidden there.
Something to keep in mind here is that we're trying to provide a resource
that the genealogy community online will use over and over again,
contributing their own material where possible, whether it be in the form
of additionla data or queries or links or surnames. If the community isn't
participating because they can't read the pages or becuase they find them
too cumbersome to navigate, we haven't done as good a job as we might. If
pages are kept short and well-organized and, above all, readable, then the
visitors will come back over and over again and they will tell others to
come too.
As a case in point, as far as I know, I have no ancestors in Washington
County, but I often drop by Jean's page just to see what she's done with it
lately because it's a beautifully designed site with tons of info and I
genuinely enjoy seeing such fine work as part of our project. On the other
hand, there are several counties where I do have known ancestors that I
seldom look at because the pages are more difficult to follow.
Just another .02,
Mary
Sponsor,Chester County Genealogy PA GenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm
Sponsor, Delaware County Genealogy PA GenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~padelawa/delaware.htm
PACHESTE-L listowner (Chester County Genealogy list)
list address: PACHESTE-L(a)rootsweb.com
PADELAWA-L listowner (Delaware County Genealogy list)
list address: PADELAWA-L(a)rootsweb.com
First, let me say I agree with Curt. I too have been keeping
an eye on what browers, etc. hit my site, and the older
operating systems and browsers are definitely in the minority.
This is not to say those folks' needs should not be considered,
but we don't want to be starting any urban legends.
At 12:29 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Sara Anderson wrote:
>I took a class in HTML once upon a time. The instructor recommended against
>frames -- he preferred tables -- because of the difficulty in bookmarking
>particular pages and sending links to specific pages.
I think things are changing (have changed) pretty quickly. Both
IE Explorer and Netscape allow you to bookmark a particular
frame.
Put your cursor in the frame in question, right click, and select
"create shortcut" (IE Explorer) or "add bookmark" (Netscape).
One thing I've done at my site to help readers along is to put a
"Browser Hints" page out there. It explains how to do a "search"
for a word on a single page, for instance. Although I don't use frames,
if I did (and I might some day), I would add a note there about
using bookmarks.
A lot of folks really appreciate the help and education. It ends up
making them more productive on the internet in general.
Jean Suplick Matuson
12 Sept 1999
To whom it may concern
About 9 years ago I started building a family database use a DOS based
product called "Family Tree". This summer I decided to sit down and
update it to a windows application. Unfortunately when I went to open
the database I discovered that I no longer had the executable on my PC
to open the database.
Can you please help? If you know where I can find, or if you have a
copy of a file called basica.com or basica.exe please reply or send it
to me at durhamj(a)sinosa.com
thank much
I agree with Sara here
While I too try to keep up with the latest in HTML. I had to take off a midi
because it was locking up several computers. It seemed easier for me to
take it off then to shy away the searchers. While many were pleased some
were not and that went into my decision
As for frames most of my searchers will tell you they are computer illerate
and won't know how to get out of the frame. While you and I may know,
others don't.
BarbL
Schuylkill and Carbon
Sara Anderson wrote:
> I took a class in HTML once upon a time. The instructor recommended against
> frames -- he preferred tables -- because of the difficulty in bookmarking
> particular pages and sending links to specific pages. These are things that I do,
> so I assume others do to. I think I regularly visit only one site that is set up
> in frames. That site has a special linking feature on each page. It seems like
> extra work. There may be a way to bookmark or send links of pages set up in
> frames but off hand I can't think of it. That would make me believe that most
> users won't know how to do it either. Curt -- am I missing something? I've
> stayed away from frames because of that problem. Is there a way around it?
>
> Sara Anderson
> Berks
>
> Curt Sanders wrote:
>
> > Clare wrote:
> > >
> > > > Go for frames-- only > very old browsers will choke!
> > >
> > > Please remember that we have a lot of people on very-fixed incomes who
> > > are using 386 or lower computers and/or going to the library, where they
> > > have no choice in browsers. Keeping your pages as simple as possible is
> > > the best way to serve all of our readers.
> >
> > My feed back and cookie information indicates that the above are in the
> > minority. I'm not sure about the fixed-income thing, but most are
> > showing Windows 95 or Macintosh platforms. The browsers are usually
> > version 3.0 or higher, enough to handle frames very well. But... nothing
> > wrong with keeping it simple. As a webmaster I would find it hard to
> > regress back to non-frames technology.
> >
> > Curt Sanders
> >
> > *************
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> > AIM: K3URT
> > http://www.paonline.com/csanders (Personal--genealogy & amateur radio service)
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm (Adams Co., PA GENWEB Coordinator)