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Sheila Barr Helser, I am here.
Venango County
Sullivan County
Is anyone keeping track of who is respnding?
Do we have a recording secretary ;o)
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SHEILA'S CORNER
http://www.bright.net/~hhelser/sheila.html
Sligo County Ireland Genealogy County Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/index.html
Venango County Pennsylvania Genealogy County Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/
Sullivan County Pennsylvania Genealogy County Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasulliv/
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I'm around. Just want to be sure (I'm not nitpicking, just
being cautious considering the possibilities) that whatever we
do as a team abides by the bylaws. Personally, I don't know
what the formal guidelines are and even if I did, I may get a
differing opinion than someone else. Let's make darn sure that
we do things by the book so we don't have our election
overturned or disallowed.
Again, I'm not trying to get a ruckus stirred. Just looking
out for all of us.
--
Ken Boonie
Coordinator
USGenWeb Project
Huntingdon County PA
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/plumpton/498/
At 03:00 PM 6/30/99 -0500, Alice J. Gayley wrote:
>Answering the roll call.
>
>Alice J. Gayley
>
>
Thanks Alice... In the interest of keeping this easy, can we please include
the counties represented in answering the roll call. Tha twaay, it will be
easier to track those who have responded.
Mary Harris
Chester Co., Delaware Co.
I no longer want to maintain the Susquehanna Co. page. Any takers?
Sorry to see you go, Gary.
If Anthony Kapoulka reads this: Please remove my name from the Volunteer
page. I have emailed a few times regarding this, but my name is apparently
still there, as I continue to get look-up requests.
It was fun while it lasted.
Ann Cassel
> How about a roll call to see who is available now?
I'm here. Allegheny County, Pike County [Pike is available for adoption
to a researcher with Pike County interests].
Clare Peden Midgley mailto:Clare@Sierratel.com
Birdsong Ranch page http://www.sierranet.net/~clare/
Coarsegold, California
Pet Bird Rescue
PA Genealogy -- Allegheny Co. PA http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh
Pike Co., PA http://www.rootsweb.com/~papike
Staffordshire, England http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsts/
FOR GENEALOGY LISTS Send only the word subscribe to the address given:
Allegheny Co., PA list PAALLEGH-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
Staffordshire list: STAFFORDSHIRE-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
PEDEN research: PEDEN-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
DeLIMATA/DELIMATER, FORPAUGH/VORBACH, LYBRAND,
MIDGLEY, REISDORF, SILL/SOELL, SNEYD follow same format.
I think we need to set a schedule up so that everyone knows what to do
and when.
If July 1 -17 is an open period where everyone can post comments or
nominate themselves, then we should have a formal nomination time so
that we can get a listing of the candiates. Once that is done, then we
should schedule a vote.
The sooner the better, but Gary is right, many folks are on vacation.
How about a roll call to see who is available now?
Carol
Hi Folks,
I just thought I would add my hat to the ring for the position of
Assistant Coordinator. I do not have the time to take on the SC
position but would welcome working along side anyone who is nominated to
the spot.
One of the areas that I would like to see addressed by the SC and ASC is
QUALITY ASSURANCE. It is one of my pet peeves and I think that we need
to make it priority "numero uno". We have a few sites on our project
that need some TLC and unfortunately it is always the "weak" link that
brings everyone else down. A concentrated effort by the Admin team to
keep all our sites on track would not only benefit the enduser but would
help boost morale in the whole project!
There are alot of ways to encourage cc's to keep their sites up to date
and I am not suggesting any man/woman-handling :o) I do think that we
need some very basic project guidelines and simply requiring all cc's to
adhere to those guidelines will separate the "wheat from the chaff" (to
borrow a biblical axiom). Quality Assurance checks done once a quarter
should be sufficient to keep track of any sites that are not following
the quidelines.
What guidelines am I suggesting? Well, the very basic USGW ones that we
all agreed to follow. It included items such as:
Answering user email (if your email address is invalid and you haven't
bothered to correct it -- you've got a problem)
Maintaining your query pages (are you updating them? is the query board
working? or have you let it become "read-only")
Updating your project pages (making some changes to the pages -- not
just keeping a static page online for years)
To me, those three are the most important ones. If you are taking care
of those items, you are actively participating in our project. However,
if you put a page online last year and then forgot about it -- well,
then we do have a problem).
I also think that all the cc's should be required to sign in - once a
quarter. A simple roll call to make sure everyone is present and
receiving PAGen email would help us to know you are "alive" and are
participating. It is pretty apparent that only a handful of cc's ever
respond to any email on the PAGen list -- we have 55 coordinators -
where are you??
Just my thoughts.....
Carol Hepburn
Somerset and Northampton PAGW
Summer vacation is a very important factor, and we have to allow time for
all the CC's to respond or at least make sure that they have received my
message. It is very important that we have a strong concensus on this.
In order to get this concensus, we must allow time for those that might be
away from their email to have a chance to return. To that end, I will
leave the nomination period open until July 17th, which should give the
CC's enough time to post any comments they might have to PAGEN-L. So far,
eight of 55 CC's have posted comments, which is approximately 15%.
The comment was made to simply have a "voice" vote and not have an
election. I want to make sure that every CC has a chance to express
themselves, and every potential candidate has the opportunity to step
forward. If at the end of the nominating period we are left with a single
candidate, then we may consider a simple raising of virtual hands.
Until then, I encourage all CC's to post any thoughts they may have to
PAGEN-L, as it is very important that we are all comfortable with the
results of this election.
Gary
So -- how 'bout if I nominate Nate for SC and Bob for ASC....
Anybody else interested?
If not, and the couple of weeks that were suggested pass, it looks like
we've got a deal!
At 09:38 AM 6/30/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi CC Comrades--
>
>I, too, was taken aback by Gary's decision to resign, and I wish he would
>reconsider but do have an appreciation for some of the time constraints he
>faces.
>
>As Gary mentioned, I had volunteered to serve as an asst. PAGenWeb state
>coordinator, and am actively considering the state coordinator's post, but at
>the present moment am knee deep in final plans for a major national reunion
>in New England, July 3rd and 4th. This reunion has really taxed my
>organizing efforts but fortunately everything seems to be falling in place.
>You may wish to review that reunion's web pages at
> http://whipple.org/weekend99/index.html
>
>My closest friends have said that this project (the Whipple Reunion) should
>be enough to push me to giving up genealogy forever. Not a chance.
>However, in the interest of harmony, I would be willing to throw my support
>to Nate for State Coordinator if it meant that we would have a smooth
>transition and a comparable treatment of evenhandedness as I believe Gary has
>demonstrated. Besides, within 24 hrs., I will be on a "genealogy" vacation
>for the next two weeks. :)
>
>Regards, Bob Baker, Centre Co., Pa., site coordinator, USGenWeb Project
>
If you've already seen this, or if you don't have pages on Geocities or
Tripod, just hit delete.
Please forward it to anyone you think needs to see it.
A friend of mine wasn't even able to get in to delete her stuff without
signing the new agreement -- Geocities locked her out! She's concerned
that she may have given them rights to use any backups now that she's
deleted everything.
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Yahoo: Your House Is My House
by Declan McCullagh
3:00 a.m. 29.Jun.99.PDT
If you're a GeoCities homesteader, be warned: Your Web site is no
longer
your own.
Yahoo, which launched its Yahoo-GeoCities site Monday, says it owns
all Web pages, articles, and images on member sites and has
"irrevocable"
rights to them for all time.
This presents a problem for those GeoCities members who have
painstakingly assembled large sites with dozens, even hundreds, of
pages
of valuable material.
"Somebody please tell me that this does not mean that Yahoo is
demanding the rights to a large portion of my professional writing and
photography if I use my Web site there," complained Tracy Marks, who
estimates that she has 600 Web pages and 23 MB of files on GeoCities.
To create or update GeoCities pages, members must agree to a contract
that gives Yahoo broad rights over their intellectual property.
Under its terms of service, publishers must give Yahoo a
"royalty-free,
perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right
and
license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create
derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content"
in
any form or media.
Yahoo defends the terms in the contract, saying it's trying to prevent
itself from being sued over copyright infringements and wants the
ability
to promote its service.
Consumer advocates say Yahoo has gone too far.
"It's a bad idea. People don't read the fine print on these contracts.
People will give up intellectual property to Yahoo without
understanding what they're getting into," said Jamie Love of the Ralph
Nader-affiliated
Consumer Project on Technology.
"People have made investments by promoting their site and people start
to link to them. They're changing the rules in midstream," Love said.
Legal experts say that it's likely Yahoo will change its mind.
"I bet that once it comes to light, they'll modify it. They can't get
away
with it. They'd have people leaving in droves," said David Post, a law
professor at George Mason University who teaches intellectual property
law.
"My prediction is that Yahoo will say, 'That's not what we intended.
We
don't really want to do all these things with their content. We had it
as
an insurance policy,'" Post said.
Some scholarly journals have standardized similar contracts that are
even
more restrictive: They require authors to give up all rights to the
publication. But as authors began to want to post their writings on
their
Web sites, journals have started to become more flexible.
Yahoo will let users keep their existing GeoCities pages under the old
contract, but customers cannot modify their site until they agree to
the
revised terms of service.
Some other Web page-hosting services have similar contracts. Tripod,
which is owned by the parent company of Wired News, requires its users
to grant it "a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, nonexclusive,
worldwide, unrestricted license to use, copy, modify, transmit,
distribute, and publicly perform or display the submitted Member Web
Page."
(note: I happen be member of James Love's organization, Public Domain
Organization, W. David Samuelsen. Good number of members are attorneys
who work for the public rather than the few elites.)
Internetnews:
Yahoo! Angers Homesteaders
June 29, 1999
By Cyrus Afzali
InternetNews.com Managing Editor
Web Developer News Archives
Many Web developers are angrily protesting revisions in
Yahoo!-GeoCities terms of service.
The changes, announced June 25, give the company a license to use a
GeoCities member's content in any way it wishes and give
Yahoo!-GeoCities irrevocable rights to the work. That means developers
are excluded from receiving any royalties resulting from profits
Yahoo!-GeoCities may make on homesteader sites.
Once word of the changes reached the developer community, reaction was
swift.
"This crosses the line. Yahoo! is claiming that by submitting any
content, I am granting an unqualified license for all of my content to
be used by Yahoo! in any way it chooses and to create any kind of
derivative works.
"They can profit in any way, in perpetuity from my copyrighted works,
without ever requesting my permission or providing me with any
benefits. Even worse, Yahoo! won't even let me edit my GeoCities Web
site or remove my content from the service without first accepting the
new usage
contract," wrote GeoCities member Mark Welch, who also publishes
Adbility's Web Publishers' Advertising Guide.
After protesting to Yahoo!-GeoCities, Welch was contacted by a Yahoo!
attorney who said the changes were not significant since the previous
contract allowed GeoCities to use homesteader content for promotional
purposes. The new contract gives Yahoo!-GeoCities the right to use the
content however it wishes without giving the developer credit.
Consumer and privacy advocates have criticized the new rules, saying
many will agree to the provisions without having a clear understanding
of their implications.
However, GeoCities isn't the only Web community that reserves the
right to use member content however it wishes. Tripod, owned by Web
portal Lycos Inc. also requires users to sign a royalty-free,
unrestricted license to use or modify member content.
Hi CC Comrades--
I, too, was taken aback by Gary's decision to resign, and I wish he would
reconsider but do have an appreciation for some of the time constraints he
faces.
As Gary mentioned, I had volunteered to serve as an asst. PAGenWeb state
coordinator, and am actively considering the state coordinator's post, but at
the present moment am knee deep in final plans for a major national reunion
in New England, July 3rd and 4th. This reunion has really taxed my
organizing efforts but fortunately everything seems to be falling in place.
You may wish to review that reunion's web pages at
http://whipple.org/weekend99/index.html
My closest friends have said that this project (the Whipple Reunion) should
be enough to push me to giving up genealogy forever. Not a chance.
However, in the interest of harmony, I would be willing to throw my support
to Nate for State Coordinator if it meant that we would have a smooth
transition and a comparable treatment of evenhandedness as I believe Gary has
demonstrated. Besides, within 24 hrs., I will be on a "genealogy" vacation
for the next two weeks. :)
Regards, Bob Baker, Centre Co., Pa., site coordinator, USGenWeb Project
Hi, Sheila,
Here's the latest info that I have. It was posted on the GenConnect-L by
Joan <JYoung6180(a)aol.com> on Sat, 26 Jun 1999, and is included below.
Depending on when you submitted your request, you may want to resubmit it.
I think there may have been a problem with the process early on, and some of
the early requests may not have been recorded, but I'm not exactly sure if
that was the county boards or surname boards or something entirely different
since I've deleted the relevant e-mail. In any event requesting them again
probably can't hurt. The URL for submitting requests is:
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/clusters/adoptcounty.html
I believe there may also have been some boards that were assigned just
before the creation of the clusters, which were then replaced with
unassigned boards. If you just received a GenConnect board just around Jun
11, you may want to make sure that it still has you listed as the manager at
the bottom of it. If not, you probably want to resubmit a request for it.
Again, I'm not sure about this, since I've already deleted the relevant
e-mail, but it runs in my mind that somebody on GenConnect-L reported that
this had happened to them, and was advised to re-request it.
In any event, below's the quoted message that I promised at the start of
this message.
Ed Book
Butler Co., PA
------begin quote of posting by Joan <JYoung6180(a)aol.com> to GenConnect-L-----
A question came up on another list that directly relates to GenConnect. I am
copying the reply to that question here so you will all be aware of the
information.
As I understand it everything is in order for the lists/boards to be given
out. The only reason for a bit of a delay in doing so is that this is the
time of year when many people go away on vacation (people--not just staff),
and many requests are continuing to come in (more than had been anticipated I
think). There is a specific order of preference in the granting of the new
lists/boards as you know. No one wants to see anyone who should have first
crack at these resources being left out due to being away on vacation.
The updated plans as they stand now (always subject to change) are to begin
awarding the boards (and I believe the lists too) on July 7th. A couple days
before this (most likely the 4th or 5th) the request form will be taken down
to allow time for finalizing the lists.
I can personally vouch for the fact that I am still receiving mail every day
from people who have been away and are just now learning about the clusters,
and about the lists/boards that can be requested. Some of these people
already have partial suites of GenConnect boards, or a mailing list for which
a suite of boards has now been created, or who are the CCs for counties with
a new list or boards open for adoption. I don't think anyone would want to
see these folks deprived of the opportunity to put in their request for these
resources before they are opened up on a first come, first serve basis.
Joan
----------end quote----------------
Sheila <hhelser(a)bright.net>wrote:
I applied for the rest of the Boards for Venango that are now available
as a cluster from Rootsweb. That was a couple of weeks ago and I have heard
nothing.
I also tried to adopt the rest of the boards for Sligo Ire. My other County.
Have any of you heard anything yet, if you have tried to adopt any of the
boards?
Sheila
Billie McNamara <mcnamara(a)usit.net> wrote:
>I'd like to recommend that, rather than have a protracted election deal, we
>just have everyone who's interested in being State Coordinator speak up on
>the list.
>
>If we only have one person interested in the job, we can vote by
>acclamation and be done with it.....
This sounds reasonable to me also. However, we should remember that this is
summer and is also just before the Fourth of July weekend, and it's possible
that some coordinators may be on vacation, so I don't think we should be in
any rush to close nominations. CC's who might be on vacation should have
time to consider whether they want to run for the position. Gary's
suggestion of a two week period for nominations seems to be a fairly
appropriate length of time. If we have only one candidate at the end of
that period, I can't see why we'd need to have an election, and I think we
can just acclaim him/her state coordinator.
I'd like to add my voice to those thanking Gary for being a great state
coordinator, and I'd be extremely happy if he were to reconsider and decide
to stay on?
If we can't talk Gary into staying on longer, we should carefully consider
our choice for the next state coordinator. Under the by-laws, state
coordinators, once elected, can only be removed with the approval of BOTH
2/3rds of the Advisory Board AND 2/3rds of the County Coordinators. As long
as they have the support of EITHER 1/3rd of the Advisory Board members OR
1/3rd of the state's County Coordinators, their power is pretty much
unlimited. Accordingly, it seems to me that it's very important that we
give careful consideration to the question of who should be our next state
coordinator. If we choose quickly and carelessly, we might find ourselves
regretting our decision for some time. As one Pennsylvania's greatest men,
Benjamin Franklin, said, "Err in haste; repent at leisure." We've been very
lucky to have Gary as our State Coordinator; other states have not been so
fortunate. Choosing the wrong person for State Coordinator could be
catastrophic.
Ed Book
Butler County, Pa
I applied for the rest of the Boards for Venango that are now available
as a cluster from Rootsweb. That was a couple of weeks ago and I have heard
nothing.
I also tried to adopt the rest of the boards for Sligo Ire. My other County.
Have any of you heard anything yet, if you have tried to adopt any of the
boards?
Sheila
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SHEILA'S CORNER
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Sligo County Ireland Genealogy County Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/index.html
Venango County Pennsylvania Genealogy County Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/
Sullivan County Pennsylvania Genealogy County Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasulliv/
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Hi gang!
Along these lines, I'd like to see this wrapped up
easily as well. As I have no intention of running, I
would be happy to help expedidite this, or in working
with an elections committee if need be.
Mary Harris,
Chester and Delaware Counties
--- "Nahodil, Brian" <BRIAN.NAHODIL(a)cpmx.saic.com>
wrote:
> I could't agree more.
>
> Brian Nahodil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Billie McNamara [mailto:mcnamara@usit.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 1:24 PM
> To: PAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [PAGEN-L] We're PA -- can we really do our
> own thing?
>
>
> I'd like to recommend that, rather than have a
> protracted election deal, we
> just have everyone who's interested in being State
> Coordinator speak up on
> the list.
>
> If we only have one person interested in the job, we
> can vote by
> acclamation and be done with it.....
>
>
>
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