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Thanks to my dear friend, Debbi McKay, for this one:
HAPPY HOLIDAYS????
Please accept, with no obligation implied or implicit, our best wishes for
an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress,
nonaddictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday,
practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion
of your choice or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the
religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice
not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.
And a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically
uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar
year 1999, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other
cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great (not
to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is
the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the
race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, or sexual
preference of the wishee.
[small print]
(By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting
is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with
no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the
wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others,
and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole
discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected
within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or
until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first,
and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new
wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.)
Merriest everything from the four of us to you and yours......
WOW
makes one wonder
A Merry Christmas to you all
Barb Lavin
Schuylkill CC
Genealogical Computing Assoc. of Pennsylvania wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:58:22 -0800
> From: Kay Mason <kmfkm(a)ptw.com>
> To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] New Acting National Coordinator
> Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:54:14 -0800 (PST)
> Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> This message was just posted to Board-L
>
> > MINUTES OF USGENWEB PROJECT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING
> >
> > The Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project met in emergency session on
> > Monday, December 21, 1998, at 7:00 PM (CST). This meeting was called
> > because Bob Bamford, Acting National Coordinator has submitted his
> > resignation:
> >
> > "Genealogy is a hobby, we all enjoy the research, the contacts, the
> > comradery and the thrill of the search. All of us, as a part of that
> > hobby, volunteer in various genealogical and historical organizations,
> > to both further our knowledge of the hobby and make a contribution to
> > its furtherance. It can be fun and rewarding but unlike the work we do
> > to gain our livelihood it provides no remuneration save that of having
> > made a contribution.
> >
> > "When this volunteerism reaches a point that it is no longer
> > rewarding, no longer provides satisfaction, but instead becomes a
> > burden, it is time to disassociate yourself from those organizations
> > that no longer provide any benefit.
> >
> > "I therefore submit my, unequivocal, resignation from all positions in
> > the national USGenWeb organization, effective immediately, and direct
> > said organization to immediately remove my name and e-mail address
> > from all national pages. I will be unsubbing from all national mailing
> > lists, immediately upon confirmation that this message has been
> > received."
> >
> > A quorum being present, Kay Mason, acting as temporary chair, called
> > the meeting to order. Jan Craven moved to accept Bob Bamford's
> > resignation. Kathy Heidel seconded. Voting is recorded as follows:
> > <Jan> aye <Ginger> Aye <Beth> aye <Kathy> aye <Kim> aye <Betsy> aye
> > <Yvonne> aye <Trey> aye <Pam_Reid> aye <Kay> present
> >
> > The board regretfully accepts Bob Bamford's resignation. He has
> > provided leadership to the project and the board and will be greatly
> > missed.
> >
> > Kim Myers moved to appoint Beth Willis as acting interim National
> > Coordinator. Ginger Cisewski seconded. Voting is recorded as follows:
> > <Kim> aye <Betsy> aye <Ginger> AYE <Pam_Reid> Aye! <Yvonne> aye
> > <Kathy> aye <Trey> aye <Jan> aye <Kay> present Beth abstained.
> >
> > Kay Mason moved to post a synopsis of this executive session to the
> > board list and the National Web page. Jan Craven seconded. Voting is
> > recorded as follows: <Jan> aye <Pam_Reid> Aye! <Betsy> Aye <Kim> aye
> > <Kay> aye <Kathy> aye <Yvonne> aye <Ginger> Aye <Trey> aye <Beth>
> > Present
> >
> > Kay Mason moved to add Bob Bamford's position to the ballot. Betsy
> > Mills seconded. Voting is recorded as follows: <Trey> aye <Jan> aye
> > <Ginger> Aye <teed> aye <Kim> aye <Yvonne> aye <Betsy> aye <Kay> aye
> > <Pam_Reid> aye <Kathy> Aye
> >
> > Due to members having to leave the meeting, Kim Myers moved to adjourn
> > due to lack of a quorom. Ginger Cisewski seconded. Voting is recorded
> > as follows: <Beth> Present <Betsy> Aye <Ginger> Aye <Kathy> aye <Kim>
> > aye <Trey> aye <Kay> aye <Yvonne> aye
> >
> > Respectfully submitted,
> > Betsy Mills
> >
>
> I would like to introduce you to Beth Wills, our new Acting National
> Coordinator. Beth is the CC Representative for the Northeast/North
> Central Region. Welcome Beth, and good luck!
>
> Thank you
>
> Kay Mason
> USGenWeb Census Project
> http://www.usgenweb.org/census/
> http://www.usgenweb.com/census
> http://www.usgenweb.net/census/
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:58:22 -0800
From: Kay Mason <kmfkm(a)ptw.com>
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] New Acting National Coordinator
Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:54:14 -0800 (PST)
Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
This message was just posted to Board-L
> MINUTES OF USGENWEB PROJECT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING
>
> The Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project met in emergency session on
> Monday, December 21, 1998, at 7:00 PM (CST). This meeting was called
> because Bob Bamford, Acting National Coordinator has submitted his
> resignation:
>
> "Genealogy is a hobby, we all enjoy the research, the contacts, the
> comradery and the thrill of the search. All of us, as a part of that
> hobby, volunteer in various genealogical and historical organizations,
> to both further our knowledge of the hobby and make a contribution to
> its furtherance. It can be fun and rewarding but unlike the work we do
> to gain our livelihood it provides no remuneration save that of having
> made a contribution.
>
> "When this volunteerism reaches a point that it is no longer
> rewarding, no longer provides satisfaction, but instead becomes a
> burden, it is time to disassociate yourself from those organizations
> that no longer provide any benefit.
>
> "I therefore submit my, unequivocal, resignation from all positions in
> the national USGenWeb organization, effective immediately, and direct
> said organization to immediately remove my name and e-mail address
> from all national pages. I will be unsubbing from all national mailing
> lists, immediately upon confirmation that this message has been
> received."
>
> A quorum being present, Kay Mason, acting as temporary chair, called
> the meeting to order. Jan Craven moved to accept Bob Bamford's
> resignation. Kathy Heidel seconded. Voting is recorded as follows:
> <Jan> aye <Ginger> Aye <Beth> aye <Kathy> aye <Kim> aye <Betsy> aye
> <Yvonne> aye <Trey> aye <Pam_Reid> aye <Kay> present
>
> The board regretfully accepts Bob Bamford's resignation. He has
> provided leadership to the project and the board and will be greatly
> missed.
>
> Kim Myers moved to appoint Beth Willis as acting interim National
> Coordinator. Ginger Cisewski seconded. Voting is recorded as follows:
> <Kim> aye <Betsy> aye <Ginger> AYE <Pam_Reid> Aye! <Yvonne> aye
> <Kathy> aye <Trey> aye <Jan> aye <Kay> present Beth abstained.
>
> Kay Mason moved to post a synopsis of this executive session to the
> board list and the National Web page. Jan Craven seconded. Voting is
> recorded as follows: <Jan> aye <Pam_Reid> Aye! <Betsy> Aye <Kim> aye
> <Kay> aye <Kathy> aye <Yvonne> aye <Ginger> Aye <Trey> aye <Beth>
> Present
>
> Kay Mason moved to add Bob Bamford's position to the ballot. Betsy
> Mills seconded. Voting is recorded as follows: <Trey> aye <Jan> aye
> <Ginger> Aye <teed> aye <Kim> aye <Yvonne> aye <Betsy> aye <Kay> aye
> <Pam_Reid> aye <Kathy> Aye
>
> Due to members having to leave the meeting, Kim Myers moved to adjourn
> due to lack of a quorom. Ginger Cisewski seconded. Voting is recorded
> as follows: <Beth> Present <Betsy> Aye <Ginger> Aye <Kathy> aye <Kim>
> aye <Trey> aye <Kay> aye <Yvonne> aye
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Betsy Mills
>
I would like to introduce you to Beth Wills, our new Acting National
Coordinator. Beth is the CC Representative for the Northeast/North
Central Region. Welcome Beth, and good luck!
Thank you
Kay Mason
USGenWeb Census Project
http://www.usgenweb.org/census/http://www.usgenweb.com/censushttp://www.usgenweb.net/census/
Hi!
"Herding Cats" has to be one of life's greatest challenges and the term
seems to fit the situation. Priceless!! 8*D
Thanks, Nate.
Wishing each and every one a VERY HAPPY HOLIDAY! And...
a special "thanks" for helping PAGenWeb to be a pleasant,
friendly place to genealogize.
Kathy
(Berks Co.)
I know it's too late to send cards in time for Christmas, but soldiers
can always use mail when they are so far from home:
http://www.opsos.org/
Other addresses:
To Any Sailor
U.S.S. Belleau Wood (LHA-3)
OPS.Dept.OZ Division
FPO AP 96623-1610
Bosnia:
Army and Air Force personnel:
Any Service Member
Operation Joint Endeavor
APO AE 09397-0001.
Navy and Marine personnel:
Any Service Member
Operation Joint Endeavor
FPO AE 09398
APO numbers:
-- in the U.S. sector of Bosnia, 09789
-- in Hungary, 09793
-- in and around Zagreb, Croatia, 09779
-- also in Croatia, APO AE 09781
-- in and around Sarajevo, 09780
-- in Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzagonia, APO AE 09780
-- in Kiseljac, Bosnia-Herzagonia, APO AE 09782
-- in Tuzla, Bosnia-Herzagonia, APO AE 09789
Germany
Any FAMILY Member
Operation Joint Endeavor
APO AE 09399
CPT Pete Huller
HQ USAREUR
CMR 420 Box 2639
APO AE 09063
Korea
SSgt Dave Marti
607 CBCS, Unit 15457
Box 318
APO AP 96271-0530
Air Force in Korea
80th Fighter Squadron
APO AP 96264
Kuwait
Any airman
49th FW/Deployed
APO AE 09888-0001
Any airman
4412th RQS (P)
APO AE 09889-6500
Any airman
49th Medical Group
Box 7000
APO AE 09888-0001
Any airman
9 AEG
APO AE 09855
Any Soldier
385th SC Co
Kuwait City, Kuwait
APO AE 09889
Any Soldier
JTF Kuwait ARCENT- Fwd
APO AE 09033
Gulf:
Carriers
Any Sailor
USS Enterprise (CVN 65)
FPO AE 09543-2810
Any Sailor
USS CARL VINSON (CVN-70)
FPO, AP 96629-2840
Multi-Purpose Amphibious Assault Ship
Any Sailor
USS BELLEAU WOOD (LHA 3)
FPO AP 96623-1610
USS NIMITZ CVN-68
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96697-2820
USS LAKE CHAMPLAIN CG-57
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96671-1177
USS KINKAID DD-965
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96670-1203
USS OLYMPIA SSN-717
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96674-2397
USS PORT ROYAL CG-73
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96675-1193
USS SACRAMENTO AOE-1
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96678-3012
USS BREMERTON SSN-698
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96661-2378
USS FORD FFG-54
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AP 96665-1508
USS GEORGE WASHINGTON CVN-73
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AE 09550-2873
USS ANNAPOLIS SSN-760
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AE 09564 - 2416
USS NORMANDY CG-60
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AE 09579-1180
USS SEATTLE AOE-3
Attn: Any Serviceperson
FPO AE 09587-3014
and:
Bill Herrmann
Director, Operation Eagle
9908 Berrywood Drive,
Ladson, SC 29456
operation_eagle(a)juno.com
Some of these might be out of date, but most will work.
Please remember our servicemembers during this time.
Linda
Nathan Zipfel wrote:
>
In the next week or so each of us will be inundated
> with new on-line researchers who got computers for
> Christmas/Chanukah/Kwanza.
>
> Nathan Zipfel
You got that right, Nate! LOL!! Every year it's the same thing. <g>
Everyone should make sure they have their queries up-to-date, and all
links working, because the "newbies" will be sending many many messages.
Just remember, we were all newbies once. I sure hope no one kept my
first genealogy query messages when I first got online. :)
Linda
Thanks Nate....always a calm, clear voice in the midst of the storm!
I too agree that it is time that we all return to the business at hand --
making our websites better and getting more information online to help
researchers.
I do not have too much interest in the goings on of the USGW at this time --
not that I want to see it disappear from the web -- but I totally believe
that the PAGW state and county project sites are the real meat and potatoes
of this project. The same holds true for all the state projects. It seems
that the states have a good understanding of what needs to be done on a
daily basis and it is just the board and elected reps that are having the
problem "organizing" themselves.
My hope is that they stop trying to organize themselves and return to the
original plan and purpose of the project. The rules that were posted
originally worked for me and for everyone else.
You are also correct about email -- it is so easy to say things behind the
computer screen -- and many people have been deeply hurt because of that
fact. Unfortunately, once words are spoken in the heat of the moment it is
very hard to take them back.
My gut feeling tells me that "this too shall pass" and that we will end up
with some sort of "organized" organization on the other side of this mess.
My hope is that any damage, hopefully none will occur, can be readdressed
and corrected and we can all be one big (happy - dare I even think that)
USGW family again!
Happy Holidays to you all,
Carol Hepburn
Hi everyone and Merry Christmas,
I've been reading with interest the latest discussion. I can't say that I'm
surprised by what I've been reading. I would have to admit that it is only
second hand knowledge as I haven't been subbed to the -all list for a long
time. It is troubling that the board has chosen this course of action to
start a new list to be their official forum. I don't agree with it, but I
can almost understand why they're doing that.
E-mail while a very valuable "tool" can be quickly abused. My experience
since Sept 96 with this project is the people are very quick to "say" things
in an e-mail that they'd never dare say in a face to face meeting. It is
very easy to hide behind the computer terminal and keyboard then type a
quick message. There has been a great number of individuals like that on
the -all list who have done that over time. These same folks have searched
the archives of mailing lists to find "stuff" that supports their position
about a given individual. That is what I feel has caused this latest
"crisis" over the board and their new mailing list.
What we've got now is a situation where we had a project with minimal rules
that we've imposed by-laws upon. It is alot like trying to heard cats. It
cannot be done!
I appreciate all of the fine folks that make up the PAGenWeb Project. We
have strived to stay out of that mess. You see whether the USGenWeb Project
weathers the latest storm or sinks into the mire of personal attacks does
not matter to me. I am going to do my dead level best to preserve the
projects I'm personally involved with and to preserve the PAGenWeb Project.
You see the USGenWeb Project lives and will ultimately die based upon the
State and County Projects. They need us, we don't need them. It is time to
call upon the Leadership of the USGenWeb Project to remember that point and
to let us get back to why we decided to associate with this project in the
first place. It is time to get back to work getting data on-line and
helping researchers. In the next week or so each of us will be inundated
with new on-line researchers who got computers for
Christmas/Chanukah/Kwanza.
Nathan Zipfel
Good morning again, Linda.
At 01:29 AM 12/19/98 -0800, Linda Russell Lewis wrote:
>I agree with you.... there should not be any secret meetings of the
>Board. As I said, the reps that I've spoken with tried to get the
>business back on board-l. Read the archives of the list yourself.
>
I've read. I'm glad you agree that the current situation is incorrect.
Perhaps, given your history with the project and your usual lucid and
insightful way of dealing with the USGenWeb leadership, you can help
enlighten them as to the error of their ways. They certainly don't answer
any of "us."
>You still didn't answer my question: What sinister things do you think
>the volunteers of the USGenWeb Project have in mind??
>
I don't know of anything "sinister" that the volunteers (as a group) have
in mind for the project. I am greatly concerned about the loyalties and
intentions of any group that is meeting secretly, making decisions, and
taking umbrage at inquiries or attempts to make their actions public.
>I'm not back to my old self again, but I do believe in this project and
>the volunteers. I hate it when anyone tries to tear the entire project
>apart based on the actions of one or two people, and I will speak out.
>
I realize you'll never be the Linda you were before, because you've faced a
profound tragedy. But, I pray regularly for you and look forward to your
active participation in USGenWeb politics again. I know you speak out when
necessary. I found it interesting, though, that you didn't say anything on
the -All list (or did I miss it) when the advisory board was making
decisions about the USGenWeb Archives project recently. Did you get my
note, asking you about the propriety of that?
In the current case, we don't have just one or two people acting
detrimentally to the project -- it's the entire advisory board (those who
haven't resigned), because they're all taking part in the secret meetings
and are making derogatory remarks and gestures.
>Maybe I'll start asking "leading" questions about other projects.. the
>ones that have salaries in mind for their "board."
>
Having an inquiring mind is always important.
>Billie, I wish you would get over being replaced as the TNGenWeb state
>coordinator. That's been a thorn in your side since it happened, and you
>appear to be determined to "get at" the project and its volunteers
>because of it. Instead of using negativity, try some positive words.
Linda, that has nothing to do with the current thread of messages on the
PAGenWeb list. I'm sure you didn't bring that up out of context just to
try to spark a flame. I've never known you to be vindictive. So, I'm
going to say once and for all on this list that you're flat wrong here. I
got over that a long time ago. I've said many times that, while the way it
happened was reprehensible and the continued actions of the instigators
toward me are amazingly spiteful, I am thrilled to no longer be associated
with the TNGenWeb project. I thrive on the fact that I can do my own thing
from my own little corner of the world. Slowly but surely, I'm dispelling
the ugliness that got spread by them and regaining respect in the on-line
genealogy community.
>Show everyone where your loyalties lie.
I've done that many times, Linda. After 2.5 years, it should be pretty
clear. I am committed to the original tenets of this project. I am
likewise committed to making sure that no one -- especially those who were
elected to administer the project -- does anything that is procedurally or
otherwise improper.
>Linda
>
>Linda
>
I agree with you.... there should not be any secret meetings of the
Board. As I said, the reps that I've spoken with tried to get the
business back on board-l. Read the archives of the list yourself.
You still didn't answer my question: What sinister things do you think
the volunteers of the USGenWeb Project have in mind??
I'm not back to my old self again, but I do believe in this project and
the volunteers. I hate it when anyone tries to tear the entire project
apart based on the actions of one or two people, and I will speak out.
Maybe I'll start asking "leading" questions about other projects.. the
ones that have salaries in mind for their "board."
Billie, I wish you would get over being replaced as the TNGenWeb state
coordinator. That's been a thorn in your side since it happened, and you
appear to be determined to "get at" the project and its volunteers
because of it. Instead of using negativity, try some positive words.
Show everyone where your loyalties lie.
Linda
Linda
At 04:49 PM 12/18/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I was out on the USGenWeb page looking for
>the by-laws and cannot find them. I assume
>that they are kept somewhere for us to read,
>and that I have just overlooked that location
>somehow. Can someone please post the URL
>for the by-laws to this email list? Thanks.
>
>Jean Suplick Matuson
>webmaster(a)chartiers.com
They're located at:
http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html
>From the main page, choose 'Announcement', then on the Official
Announcements Page, choose 'Bylaws.'
There's also some other info on the Official Announcements page that may be
of interest to volunteers:
-- information on the up-coming election: schedule, a list of candidates,
and links to their webpages.
-- motions made and votes taken by the Advisory Board (required under Art.
8, Sec. 4 of the By-laws.) The By-laws do NOT require that meetings of the
Advisory Board (much less preliminary discussions) be public.
-- information on regional mailing lists set up by board members to
communicate with the CC's they represent. The one for the Northeast region
is USGenWeb-NE-L@rootsweb.
Ed Book
Thanks for your note, Linda. It's good to see you're feeling somewhat your
old self again. I've been worried about you.
The "secret" list has no purpose. Any and all discussions -- and,
especially decisions -- regarding the USGenWeb project must be made in
"meetings" (via whatever venue) that any volunteer/member may "attend."
There is no provision in the by-laws of the USGenWeb project for "executive
session." There is no need for one under Robert's Rules or other
parliamentary authority.
They are voting on this secret list. In addition, Bob Bamford and others
have made some horrible statements that I've read (and posted some of here).
I know how you feel about outside influences on the project. None of the
people that you believe are attempting to destroy the project are on the
board. Therefore, they are doing none of the current dastardly deeds.
If this doesn't stop -- if the board meetings don't return to the proper
venue and the board members stop making such awful statements, the project
is going to die at the hands of those who were elected to administer it.
At 08:31 PM 12/18/98 -0800, Linda Russell Lewis wrote:
>Billie, Billie, Billie, Billie. <sigh>
>
>The reason the "secret list" was set up was so the board members could
>meet with Nancy in private to try to talk her out of resigning. Most of
>them, at least the SE/MA and Archives reps, tried to get all the
>following discussions out in the open, on the board-l list, which is
>searchable.
>
>Please advise us what sinister plans you think the USGenWeb volunteers
>have for this project. I would be interested in knowing. On the other
>hand, I strongly believe there are "outside" sinister plans to destroy
>the USGenweb project because it stands in their way to build their own
>projects.
>
>Linda
>
Billie, Billie, Billie, Billie. <sigh>
The reason the "secret list" was set up was so the board members could
meet with Nancy in private to try to talk her out of resigning. Most of
them, at least the SE/MA and Archives reps, tried to get all the
following discussions out in the open, on the board-l list, which is
searchable.
Please advise us what sinister plans you think the USGenWeb volunteers
have for this project. I would be interested in knowing. On the other
hand, I strongly believe there are "outside" sinister plans to destroy
the USGenweb project because it stands in their way to build their own
projects.
Linda
Hello all,
I was out on the USGenWeb page looking for
the by-laws and cannot find them. I assume
that they are kept somewhere for us to read,
and that I have just overlooked that location
somehow. Can someone please post the URL
for the by-laws to this email list? Thanks.
Jean Suplick Matuson
webmaster(a)chartiers.com
Dearest, most-lucid and dedicated PAGenWeb co-volunteers --
Not only is the USGenWeb advisory board meeting in secret, they have
threatened legal action against a fellow volunteer who has posted their
daily mail -- mail that specifically addresses actions taken on behalf of
our project -- to a website so we can all read it.
The whole complaint they had with Nancy Trice was they thought she was
trying to control the project (she wasn't). At least nothing was held in
secret while she was National Coordinator.
Below is what I received. If you belong to other USGenWeb state project
lists, please pass the information along. Only when people are advised
will something change.
If anyone is interested, I have a zipped copy of what she had on her
webpage, and I'll be happy to share. Just let me know.
PS -- (being snide and snitty) -- I'm not so sure I want people who spell
so horrendously representing my interests on a project where attention to
detail (transcriptions, page data, etc.) is so important......
---------------------------------Begin Forwarded
Message--------------------------------------
Please dessminate widely. This is your board in action.
Today, December 18, 1998, I received several correspondences from my ISP,
in which the USGenWeb Advisory Board, acting both as a group and
separately, threaten both myself and my ISP with a lawsuit over the posted
BOARD-EXEC material. These emails contain the following:
+++Begin fair use extracts+++
At the site http://www.radix.net/~merope A series private messages have
been posted which make post the poster and Radax Net liable to prosocution
for copyright violation. (Bob Bamford, Dec 10, 1998)
I would like to register my formal complaint against one of your
subscribers. This person is posting my private email to a list. She has
posted a private list's email to a web page. I wrote her privately and
asked her not to post the message to the list and she did so anyway. She
continues to violate everything that I believe free speech is all about.
(Betsey Mills, Dec 18, 1998)
[interesting concept of free speech!]
There are pages on one of your sites which contain items I hold the
copyright on and they have been placed there without my consent.
I am consulting with my attorney and if those pages are not removed from
your served, I shall be forced to name you as co-defendant in litigation
filed. (Virginia A. Cisewski, Dec 18, 1998)
+++End fair use extracts+++
You see how badly they do not want you to read this information.
My ISP requested that I remove this information, and I have done so.
I will keep you all posted as to its status.
-Teresa Lindquist
merope(a)radix.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:07:54 -0800
From: Marceline Beem <marce(a)rootsweb.com>
To: listowners-announce(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: GenConnect surname boards
Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:37:45 -0800 (PST)
Resent-From: listowners-announce(a)rootsweb.com
I should have included the URL for the sponsor form. Please note that the
GenConnect boards are not a requirement for having a mailing list. If you
want one, great...if you don't, that's ok too :)
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/sponsors.html
You must be a current member/sponsor/donor before the boards will be
approved.
Thanks,
Marceline
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:29:41 -0800
From: Marceline Beem <marce(a)rootsweb.com>
To: listowners-announce(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: GenConnect Surname Board Policies
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:36:01 -0800 (PST)
Resent-From: listowners-announce(a)rootsweb.com
Surname boards will continue to be issued on a first-come, first-served
basis. Our policy for locality specific boards has been to let a "suite" of
boards have different admins. We will continue this policy for surname
boards.
Current owners of a surname board will have until 12:01 am Sunday, December
20th, to request the remainder of the boards for their surnames if they so
choose. Until this time, if a surname has already been approved, there is
no need to return to the sponsor form to request additional boards for that
surname. You may simply return to the signup form and input your request.
The sponsor form and the signup/activation form will be taken offline at
12:01 am Sunday, December 20th, so that the GenConnect staff may go on
vacation. Both forms will be activated again on Monday, December 28th. Any
requests not processed by the shutdown time will remain in the queue and be
processed on Monday.
Beginning December 28th, *all* surname requests will be on a first come,
first served basis. To add a new board type for an already approved
surname, you'll need to visit the sponsors form. Any unauthorized requests
found in the request log will be deleted without further notice to you.
Once a board has been requested and the directory set up, admins have two
weeks to activate the board. After this time has elapsed, empty directories
will be deleted, and that surname/board type will be available to the next
requestor.
On behalf of the GenConnect staff,
Marceline Beem
Surname Board Representative
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Subject: [PHILLY-ROOTS-L] Some Genealogy Humor
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Humorous Correspondence to the LDS Family History Library
(For those who don't know the LDS Church is one of the leading
organizations in genealogical research. They get letters and phone calls
from all over asking for their help.)
These questions are from actual correspondence received by the LDS
Family History Library:
Our 2nd great-grandfather was found dead crossing the plains in the
library.
He was married 3 times in the endowment house and has 21 children.
For running down Wheelers, I will send $3 more.
He and his daughter are listed as not being born.
I would like to find out if I have any living relatives or dead
relatives or ancestors in my family.
Will you send me a list of all the Dripps in your library?
My grandfather died at age 3.
We are sending you 5 children in a separate envelope.
Documentation: Family Bible in possession of Aunt Merle until tornado
hit
Topeka, Kansas, now only the Good Lord knows where it is....
The wife of #22 could not be found; I have worked on her for 30 years
without success; now see what you can do.
I have a hard time finding myself in London; if I was there I was very
small and cannot be found.
This family had 7 nephews that I am unable to find; if you know who they
are, please add them to the list.
We lost our grandmother. Will you please send us a copy?
Will you please send me the name of my first wife. I have forgotten her
name.
A 14 year old boy wrote: "I do not want you to do research for me. Will
you please send me all the material on the Welch line in the U.S.,
England and Scotland countries? I will do the research."
Further research will be necessary to eliminate one of my parents.
George C. CORCORAN, JR.
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
Email: gcorjr13(a)webtv.net
Researching: CORCORAN, CONCANNON
SWEENEY AND STACK
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The data in the USGenWeb Archives belongs to the submitters. Period. If
something were to happen and USGenWeb disappeared, the data could not be
"given" to any state project or any other project.
The submitters have contributed that data for free access in the format
that was established in June 1996. If USGenWeb "disappeared", which I
doubt, the Archives would still be available freely to researchers..
just as we have promised the submitters since day one.
As I've said before, if anything ever happened, and there had to be a
charge to access the Archives, all the files would come down. That is
included in the USGenWeb Archives guidelines.
Linda
Hi and Good Morning All,
Vi - I agree we need to make sure the data itself is protected.
I think we can amend the by-laws to retroactively date all information so that,
god forbid if the USGenWeb Project should not survive this turmoil, the data in
the various archives (special projects) will revert to the particular state.
Seems only reasonable and fair to allow the state to have it's information,
regardless of public domain or not.
The wording would have to be very precise and not open to interpretation. If
done the later and not the former I can foresee problems down the road. It
should also state all data pertaining to the state. Unfortunately, to say it
may never happen is simply not a possibility - things never stay the same. With
all the bickering going on I'm surprised the project survived this long. While
I may be fairly new to the scene - all I've seen and heard is non stop
bickering. I've seen resignations and cc's quit in another state because of
this.
Perhaps we need to take a deep breath and worry about our state, then the data,
then the project.
Some sort of order and contingency planning ALWAYS needs to be done. People tend
to forget about plan B,C,D,and E all or some of which we need.
Barb Lavin
Schuylkill CC
Archivist for Schuylkill, Berks and Carbon
Ed Book wrote:
> Hi, Vi,
>
> Of course, if data is public domain, there's nothing to prevent any
> organization from grabbing the data and doing whatever they like with it.
> Obviously this would include the state organization as well as all other
> not-for-profit and for-profit genealogy organizations.
>
> In regards to your suggestion that an amendment be written stating that if
> the project is disbanded, each state would receive their data, I'm assuming
> that this would refer specifically to the archives and other special
> projects, since the states already have posession of the material refernce
> in Sections one and two. There may be a real problem with this, since as I
> understand it the Archives/Special Projects' right to use this information
> is fairly limited and conditioned.
>
> Restricting myself to the data that is not public domain and has already
> been collected under the current rules, I'm certain that the Project would
> be unable to assign this right to Broderbund (for instance), and I really
> doubt that it would even be able to assign this right to another non-profit
> organization (i.e., Latter-Day Saints, National Genealogical Society, etc.)
> Unfortunately, the state organizations, if they continued to exist after the
> hypothetical dissolution of the USGenWeb Project, would fall into the
> category of another non-profit organization. It's precisely to this
> situation that I was referring when I mentioned 'The USGenWeb Project (or
> its successors or assignees).
>
> It would be possible to amend the USGenWeb by-laws to apply your proposal to
> any future contributions, but I don't think it can be done retroactively.
> Of course, it would also be necessary for the the Archives/Special Projects
> to modify their contract with contributors also.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ed Book