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I have a list of the members of the Orangeburg Militia, formed in 1799, and led by Brigadier Gen. Jacob Rumph. If anyone is interested in it, I will e-mail it personally, or if there is enough interest, I will just post it here. Let me know.
Miriam Bozard Smith
Please do post it here.
on 10/1/01 11:45 AM, Miriam Smith at mbsmith(a)nteck.com wrote:
> I have a list of the members of the Orangeburg Militia, formed in 1799, and
> led by Brigadier Gen. Jacob Rumph. If anyone is interested in it, I will
> e-mail it personally, or if there is enough interest, I will just post it
> here. Let me know.
> Miriam Bozard Smith
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I am looking for information on the ancestors of:
John Bruce: b. March 22, 1756 in Edinburgh, Scotland (possibly
Midlothian), d. March 22, 1831 in the district of Orangeburg Co, SC. m.
1788 in Branchville, Orangeburg Co. District, South Carolina to
Catherine "Kitty" Rhodes/Rhudes/Roads, Born between 1774 and 1785. Died
between 1800 and 1850.
Children: Elijah Bruce, b. October 24, 1797
Jane Barbara Bruce, b. August 25, 1799
LDS Film # 1985631 -- the patron who submitted the data is/was a
practicing Mormon and undoubtedly related to this individual.
Unfortunately, the film notes say that there is no further information
available, nor is the submitters' name/address available.
Further information: This John Bruce may have -- and this is the most
tenuous of connections based on speculation only -- been a graduate of
Oxford. I found one John Bruce from Midlothian, Scotland, listed as a
graduate of a class in the appropriate period, but have no proof that
this is the same person.
Any information on Catherine "Kitty" Rhodes would also be useful.
Any and all information is greatly appreciated!
First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not
Then they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out because I was
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because
I was not a
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-- Paraphrased from Martin Niemöller's 1968 statement before the U.S.
No, you are partly right. From some of the many old documents I have
studied, I find a great deal of love for the slaves. In one family Bible,
all the slave births were recorded right along with the white ones on the
farm. I hesitate to use the word "Plantation" in this case . I have also
found some real cruelty.
The measure of a man is how he treats others, but a slave was not an equal,
they were frm labor and extremely valuable possessions. Not many Southerners
could afford to have them. In those days, he didn't act or look like "us";
so was considered a subhuman species. Human beings are hopefully finding
out that, just because a person looks, talks, and thinks differently, or is
poor, he is not an inferior. This is a brand new idea which was not current
in the early days of my life, either in the South or the North, as I
remember it. I am white, but I lived in the South. When I went to NYC as a
child of nine, I was placed on a counter (showcase of glass) in a store, and
made to "speak some Southern" to anyone who came in. They laughed at me, of
course! (And I'm a WASP.)
GWTW was correct, basically. M. Mitchell knew what she wrote about. A
writer has to fashion each character carefully.
Just as the recent bombing almost is wrecking our economy, abolishing
slavery wrecked Southern economy. Not only that. It was the end of a way of
life. The South was based on the plantation economy.
I don't expect you were looking for a history lesson, though.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 3:02 AM
Subject: ORANGEBURGH_SC-D Digest V01 #224
My husband is African American. His mother's family came from Orangeburgh
and Lexington and Calhoun Counties. Thanks to the generosity of people on
this list and others we have found out much more than we ever thought
By researching the Lexington Genealogical Exchange, I was even able to
discover the last slave owner of my husband's gggrandfather. A descendant of
this family sent us wonderful information. She will never know the "gift"
that she gave our elders, who have longed to know more about their heritage.
Our branch of the family migrated from SC in the 1920s and many of the
children born here never returned, never knew cousins or much about the
family history prior to the beginning of this century. I follow the
discussions that take place on this list and cannot thank you all enough for
helping to make our history available!
Bev W. researching: PORTERFIELD, SCOTT, COGER, BOUKNIGHT, CORLEY
Tom, what good observation. I would love to know if you are black, excuse
me, African-American, or could it soon be just "American" or perhaps
"black-American"? I can't keep up with the changes. I really don't know
what you are referring to in "Gone With the Wind" as I remember the black
lady who tried to deliver the baby as being very loyal to her "master" as she
called them. However, I am in agreement with you about disbelieving all the
terrible things, that whites did to their "slaves", that we hear about in
"the stories we are being fed on an increasingly biased point" through
movies, news, and talk shows, to mention but a few. I did not know that my
family had slaves until I started doing genealogy a little over four years
ago. I remember my grandmother, who died in 1972, having a black man who
helped her in the garden and other chores. She was always very nice to him.
She fed him breakfast, lunch and sometimes supper if he stayed that long. I
remember her giving him food stuffs to take home. I remember her giving him
clothes to take home. I remember her giving him money. I don't ever
remember him complaining. I also remember her allowing him to have his
pigs/hogs on her land to root or what ever pigs/hogs do. He would check on
them when he came to help her. I remember his name was "Bubba Ruth" I guess
that is spelled right. We're are talking about the 1960's. Those slaves,
in my family, ended with my ggg grandfather who died in 1824. I don't want
slaves and never have. I don't believe that we can judge 140 plus years ago
by contemporty values either. They use to use horses to plow with. I bet
the animal rights people would be up in arms if that still happened today.
(I know that it must still be practiced in some places even today however.)
Shame, Shame. To me, mistreating their slaves would be like putting sand in
our gas tanks or cutting the tires on our tractors. Doesn't make a lot of
since does it? However, in our "victim minded" society we must pass these
beliefs out so certain people can be the "VICTIM". Remember there is C-A-S-H
in C-H-A-O-S! I like saying there is "O--CASH" in CHAOS! Do you get my
idea? So I would like to vote for "NOT BELIEVING WHAT IS BEING FED" to us.
I do claim to think for myself however. jackie in Sumter, SC
This is also what I have found in my research in my family. In many cases
the letters reveal loving concern for the health and welfare of slaves and
after freedom. My grgrgrandmother willed land and home to one of her slaves.
Also, gave land for the Negro church. I remember as a child my mother
showed compassion for those who had been slaves of her grandparents. Tried
to help anyway she could. It was depression years, but we shared what we
As far the mistreatment, human nature as it is, some of the slaves could have
been unruly, as some people today cannot seem to follow the rules. There had
to be some form of correction.
I do not condone the slavery situation. The American's did not invent it.
It has been around for centuries.
I do not intend this as inflamatory or contentious, only to question if my observations and
impressions while reading of wills and records during the 19th century is accurate or biased.
Instead of a feeling of oppression and inhuman treatment of slaves, I have noticed and detected
a great deal of concern and compasion for the slaves that are bequeathed to heirs. I can sense
in many cases a genuine concern for their welfare when the owners pass away. Is Gone With the
I cannot help but believe we are in many, if not most cases misled in the way they were treated.
This is not to at all condone the practice of slavery on a philosophical or moral or ethical
basis.. We cannot do this in contemporary values.
Is there a site or work that anyone knows that shows the compassion and empathy the owners had
rather than the stories we are being fed on an increasingly biased point?
This is not off topic in that it concerns all of us and how our ancestors viewed human rights
and how they interacted with those whose mutual survival depended.
In my own searching, I have found one ancestor who had 2 slaves listed in a census. One was a 40
y/o female- BLIND- the other a 60 Y/o male- CRIPPLED. This person could not be all that bad.
I could be wrong......
I am searching for a gr. gr. grandfather William or William Arthur Ham
born ca. 1774, according to traditional family history he was a loyalist and
a ship's captain. He and wife Susannah lived in Orangeburg, S. C. when my gr.
grandfather was born 1803. He was also alleged to be a loyalist in the War of
1812, in Louisiana and fled to Barbados.
Any information or leads will be appreciated.
Many thanx to Gene for this posting. It looks like some very prominent names are on the list. I
wonder how many of them signed under some degree of duress and did not reflect their true
I would think many would sign it rather than be liable for the immediate or eventual
I would think many of the names later served with the colonists, rather than the crown in
If i was closer, I would help transcribe the list and hope someone can do it and post it later.
I would hope some of those more knowledgeable of the matter to comment on the likelihood of it
just being the "politically correct" thing to so to sign rather than openly resist.
Secondly, for info on the Revolution or ANY subject, go to google.com and type in your search
terms. You will be amazed how fast you will be linked to many sites on any subject.
Works for me....
The Berry female believed to have married David Crum was Anne, the immigrant
daughter of Robert and Jane, and elder sister of Robert, Richard, and James.
When I started digging into the early Berry family history, I found that
several researchers in the Crum family had concluded that David Crum had
married Anne Berry. While none of the "histories" I saw attempted to offer
proof, or name her parents, it was assumed they were from the Robert and Jane
Berry family, for several reasons. One that convinced me was the location of
the land Anne had received in relationship to Crum land, and the subsequent
settlement of a branch of the Crum family in that area. In addition, the
time frame was right, and our Berry family had maintained a close
relationship with at least one branch of the Crum family.
Happy to have a "mystery" solved, I started digging out lists of Crum
descendants to add to my Berry file! (There is a lesson here, so hold on.)
In the meantime, a fellow researcher, with a huge amount of material on the
families of the entire area, was pursuing a branch of his own family.
Knowing the line I was following, he commented to me that he was finding
various documents that pointed to the fact that David had married a widow,
Mrs. Anne Baxter (maiden name unknown), with children by the first marriage.
Not relinquishing my "find" that easily, I kept my files and conviction that
Anne Crum was a Berry. Lo and behold, when I got a copy of the Memorial of
the land grant for Anne Berry from 1772, it was signed Anne McAlhany! Now, I
had already received a huge amount of research on the McAlhany family and
knew that they had not been able to locate the matriarch of the family, that
there was only one known McAlhany in the area in that time period, that in
the 1790 census, Joseph McAlhany was living between Robert and James Berry,
and that one of Joseph's sons had a son named Robert Berry McAlhany, and that
in all probability, the son was also Robert Berry McAlhany. In the meantime,
my friend had established his theory beyond reasonable doubt.
Lesson? No matter how convincing conjecture might be, you're never certain
or safe without pursuing every avenue for documentation! If I had published
my upcoming book with David Crum's line as Anne Berry's descendants, it would
probably have passed without notice and hundreds of people would have
accepted, quoted, and even used it in their own files!
Soapbox back to you, Beverly! Thanks for all the information you, Gene, and
various others give out so generously.
Good morning to ALL;
I have some new names and information on some lines I am researching.
Come to the Orangeburgh German-Swiss Genealogical Society next week end
Oct 5 & 6.
Just received the below message from Joe Jones
A reminder that Oktoberfest meal reservations (Friday evening and Saturday
noon) must be received by Monday, October 1. Go to www.ogsgs.org for
details. Members of OGSGS can call 803-516-0000 on or before October 1 and
leave a message with your name, phone number and the number of people for
each meal. If you've made reservations and need to change or cancel, you
may call the same number. If you do not desire to join us for the Friday
evening dinner or Saturday luncheon, you may pay the $5.00 registration fee
at the desk when you arrive.
A more complete schedule will be posted at <A HREF="http://www.edistoobserver.com/ogsgs.html">www.ogsgs.org</A> Check it now and
again this weekend.
I do hope you will bring printout, floppy disk, cdr, printed material and
other data so we can help each other. I have a lot of questions my self.
At this time I don't know who will be there.
Come and visit with me and others members.
Some of you may saw the lists I sent out several week ago on the Felder and
Stroman families. These names I am looking for data on. As you could see
the Felder and Stroman's from 1735 to today have thousands of names.
I will have a laptop and printer there to help you with some of the data I
Bring a floppy if you thing I have something you could use.
I have over 53,000 names I can pull up.
I thank you all
See you at OCTFEST 2001 Oct 5 & 6
Charles H. Felder
Member of the Orangeburgh German-Swiss Genealogical Society
Member of the Orangeburg Historical Society
Member of the Jacksonville Genealogical Society (JGS), Inc. (Florida)
Looking for Hans Heinrich Felder and John Henry Felder, Sr. Captain (direct
Looking for any information on Baltzar Paul (Strauman) Stroman early and
Looking for any information on Christopher Wiles b: Abt. 1754 early and
If I am not mistaken, David Crum's wife was a Berry. Either there were two
Henry Crums one Patriot and one Loyalist from Little River, or this man,
aged above 45, moved around a lot between the two areas, and was the same
The DAR believes that I haven't proved that he was two different people.
Nor do they believe GeLee Corley proved her point on that issue; so he isn't
a DAR patriot, yet. Wasn't Elizabeth Berry the wife of David Crum, the
daughter of Richard Berry? Or was it James?
The Shulers have some connection with the Berrys, but I am not sure how.
If you have our back issues of the OGSNewsletter, with all the Zimmie
Dantzler plats in them, you must be sure to look on there for John Fisher.
I don't know for sure that he was Col. John Fisher, but he might be. If so,
after they were recruiting 500 men to "guard Orangeburgh from the Patriots,"
this would explain why most of the neighbors felt compelled to sign up! The
500 number of troops raised from Orangeburgh was a figure given by a British
Officer to his commander. It could be grossly exaggerated???
Re the Spanish Census of FLA., I remember that Jacob Judy was down there.
The real move of most Orangeburg folks came about 1840 when Fla. was
offering free land to all settlers!
Looking forward to Orangeburg and the Family Fair next weekend,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 6:04 AM
Subject: ORANGEBURGH_SC-D Digest V01 #222
----- Original Message -----William Miller wrote:
>>I too have found that many of the early Orangeburg residents
>>were listed on the Loyalist Rosters but also apparently served
>>on the other side.
Following the take over of Charleston by the British in 1780,
enumerators went out into the country side and obtain signatures
on the following document:
"Head Quarters near Charles Town 30th May - I declare myself
to be a true and faithful subject to his Majesty the King of Great
Britain, and that I will at all times hereafter be Obedient to his
government, which when ever I shall be required, I would be
ready to maintain and defend against all persons what so ever -"
What makes the document so interesting is that it contains the
actual signature of the person. Only a few signatures are listed
with "his X mark" indicating a very literate population. Here are
a few (a sampling) of recognizable Orangeburgh names:
Jacob Ott, John Stroman, Henry Salley, Lewis Linder,
Jacob Snell, John Felder, Abraham Felder, Aaron Way,
David Shuler, Ephraim Bunch, Jacob Bunch, John Bunch,
John Friday, Jacob Danzer, Henry Danzler, John Danzler
Junr., John Ulrich Danzler, John Myers, Adam Snell,
Daniel Utsey, Henry Hutto, Peter Rentz, Jacob Ulmer,
John Stroble, Jacob Cooner, John Adam Treutlon,
John Fisher, Alexandra Syfrit, Andrew Fredrick,
Adam Syfrit, Issac Hutto, George Utsey, Thomas
Pendarvis Senr., Baltus Inabnit, John Rumph,
Joseph Rumph, Jacob Rumph, Joseph Pendarvis,
Wm Clayton, John Clayton, Thomas Pendarvis,
David Hughs, Jas Oliver, John Crum, David Clayton,
Wm Berrie, John Fulmer, Jacob Ulmer, Daniel Utsey,
Nicholas Zorn, Thomas Dukes, Abraham Hazelwood,
Jacob Hazelwood, Isaac Hazelwood, Jacob Frederick,
Andrew Frederick, Christian Rhoad, John Rhoad,
John Platt, James Dewitt, Samuel Russell, Charles
Dewitt, Daniel Orange Boman, Isaac Utsey, David
Rumph Junr., and 66 pages of names (ca. 30 per pg.)
This document is part of PRO 30/11/107 "Cornwallis
Papers" on microfilm at SC Archives and History,
Columbia. It is noted that some of these same individuals
gave their lives to the American cause for Independence.
Sorry, I am unable to assist with lookup in this file. It is
difficult to read, unindexed and inconsistent. This
reference is provided to serious family researchers as
an additional source that you may want to peruse.
Gene Jeffries, 30 Eastgrove Ct., Columbia, SC 29212
E-mail: jeffries(a)netside.com Voice: 803-732-1320
One of Col. Samuel Hammond's descendants married into my mother's family
(Salley) so I can furnish you a little information on him. The Hammonds
moved to the Edgefield District prior to the Rev. from VA. They settled in
the area of Martintown Rd. which ran (parts of it still do) from the N.
Augusta up to the Cambridge area in present day Greenwood County. They lived
not far from N. Augusta. Several of the Hammonds served in the Patriot
cause. I too have found that many of the early Orangeburg residents were
listed on the Loyalist Rosters but also apparently served on the other side.
These Hammonds were not related to Gov. James Henry Hammond who also lived
The reference on the list of English persons in Florida is the 1783 Spanish
Census of East Florida. It is available in its entirety online at:
I really appreciate the folks who go to the trouble to put these resources
online for us all.
on 9/27/01 8:35 AM, ginga hathaway at ginbh(a)msn.com wrote:
The abbreviations in the South Carolina Roster are:
N.A. 853: Lists of North Carolina and South Carolina Troops and of Officers
and Men of Continental Organizations Raised from more than one state,
1775-1783. Washington, D.C.: National Archives, M853, Roll 16.
A.A.:Audited Accounts in the South Carolina Archives