Scott, I"ve been around for a while too.....I ran a Fidonet and IGA net
Genealogy BBS for over 15 years and remember back when you'd get yelled at
for entering a mail message on any internet mail list unless it was
ABSOLUTELY necessary!....
so I understand the concept of securing your data....I also understand using
your disk resources in the most effective way(s) possible.
It is always a good idea to keep a back-up of any data....But sometimes more
is not better though...
Carol
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Williams <photo(a)soltec.net>
To: OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:56 PM
Subject: [OHGEN-L] Re: Archives
I'll give you two good reasons Carol...
Rule #10 of the Archives rules
10. We cannot guarantee permanency, in the event data is lost.
ANd it also sounds like Brian wants all the marbles...Rule #13
13. Once submitted, the data can't be retracted by submitter.
YOu don't need to repeat what he says for his excuse for # 13 either.
ANyone with a technical background knows it does not hold water.
If you don't want to save your data in any other format, that's up to you.
For me, I was in this way before usgenweb existed and the grassroots idea
was
to drive the researchers TO the county sites NOT away.
Scott Williams
At 07:23 PM 08/19/1999 -0400, Carol Montrose wrote:
>I hate to be so dense, but can someone tell me:
>
>What benefit would it be to waste hard drive space duplicating files from
>the archives on the county pages when you could use your head and just
link
>to the existing files? Especially with so much more information
out there
to
>make available!
>It seems a flagrant waste of resources....maybe that both the space and
>time would be better spent on seeking new files than duplicating existing
>ones....
>
>Carol
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Holly Timm <hollyft(a)bright.net>
>To: OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:51 AM
>Subject: Re: [OHGEN-L] Re: Archives
>
>
>>>Allen Richmond wrote:
>>>> Wally Garchow <wally(a)calweb.com> wrote:
>>>> > >The requested URL /~usgenweb/oh/darke.htm was not found on this
>server.
>>>> > I must have missed it. When was this change/loss announced?
>>>> There hasn't been anything on the OH list posted about changes
within
>>>> the USGW-OH portion of the USGW Archives.
>>
>>The standard layout for the archives should have always had the page at
>>/!usgenweb/oh/darke/darke.htm (or index.htm) ... i.e., in it's own darke
>>county directory.
>>It appears that someone corrected this to be as it should be by moving
>>darke.htm to the darke directory, they also appear to have replaced it so
>>now it is in the oh and the darke directories.
>>
>>>> Check it and see if that is the page you're seeking. From what I can
>>>> see at the Darke listing, though, the description pages are not
>>>> extant. Only the generic file-name is found when one clicks on the
>>>> links shown:
>>>> <A
HREF="ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/oh/darke/bible/">B...
>>>> Records</A>
>>
>><section of additional urls deleted>
>>ftp urls have always led to directory listings, I found all the toc's in
>>place with
>>http listings:
>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/oh/darke/dk_bible.htm
>>and so forth
>>
>>>> > Maybe every county should have the option to mount those themselves
to
>>>index
>>>> > their county's archives and make the data more accessible.
>>>>
>>>> That sounds like a very good option - would provide double exposure
>>>> so visitors/researchers could easily find the information they seek
>>>> in more than one venue.
>>
>>Individual counties have always been able to place a TOC on their site to
>>the contents of the archives. Few have bothered to do so.
>>
>>>> > And the Archives has
>>>> > publicly announced (elsewhere) that CCs may not download from the
>archives
>>>> > for their pages.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the unofficial word out "on the street" is that
archive
>>>> materials *may* be posted at the county site through contacting the
>>>> contributor and asking for their permission to duplicate/post at the
>>>> county level, if the contributor has not already donated a copy to the
>>>> county site itself.
>>
>>You can't go posting stuff places without the permission of the
contributor
>>so I understand them saying we can't download freely for
putting on our
>>county sites but I would very much like to see the Archives people
>>suggesting to any contributor that they also see if the county site would
>>like to put the file up or better yet, seek a permission for that from
the
>>contributor at the time of receiving the file. The Archives
has long
asked
>>us CC's to send contributions of material to them, a one
way street...
why
>>can't the Archives people help push material back to teh
county sites?
>>
>>>> > Is it now US/OHGenWeb policy that all Archives are only
>>>> > accessible by search engine? If this US/OHGenWeb policy or
Rootsweb
>>>policy????
>>
>>The above simply isn't so.
>>
>>>> I don't know if USGW has such a policy in place - nothing has been
>>>> mentioned at the upper levels of "management" (term used very
>>>> loosely). RW generally doesn't make their policies known
(apparently)
>>>> until after-the-fact, given the developments of the last few weeks as
>>>> example.
>>
>>RW has nothing to do with USGW decisions about internal directory
>>structures or contents.
>>
>>>> Let's get some input in here from others in OHGW and see what we can
>>>> all learn.
>>
>>It looks to me like someone in the archives tried to bring Darke County's
>>area into alignment with the rest of the structure. I am sure Darke
County
>>is not the only one *out of alignment* but a consistent
directory
structure
>>is an admirable goal. I have often gone to a county I wanted
by typing
in
>>the basic url:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ and adding
the two
letter
>>state and then the county name.
>>
>>There has never been a rule against counties listing and giving links to
>>specific files in the Archives, often a county can give better
descriptions
>>and context. Freely downloading files for use on the county
sites is a
>>problem as the contributor's permission is needed to put them up on the
>>county site. But, we do need more cooperation back from the Archives
>>people, including better information about contributed files and they
ought
>>to ask contributors if files may also be added to the County
Sites.
>>
>>Holly Timm
>>Brown County
>>
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