Scott,
Then make your motion and let's get this moving.
Dale
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-----Original Message-----
From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Scott R. C. Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:39 PM
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on the Motion to
Form a Committee to Draft Bylaws
Hi, Dale,
This section of Sturgis (p. 241) refers to any vote. And there are *always*
two votes on debatable motions, one on whether to end debate and bring it to
a vote, and the other the vote on the motion itself. In particular, "the
presiding officer should never end discussion arbitrarily. It should be
ended only by the assembly." (Sturgis, p. 128)
So I'm afraid you are not allowed to set your own deadline. It's very
clearly part of parliamentary procedure and you are setting a terrible,
terrible precedent by overruling me, just ask your professional
parliamentarian. If you do not withdraw, I will need to appeal the decision
of the chair, and we will be hung up that much longer. So please reconsider.
Seeking general consent can be used on both of these votes, and I encourage
you to test for that whenever it seems possible. I've now given you the
opportunity to do so.
Scott
On Friday, November 28, 2008 5:02 PM MT, Dale Grimm <dale(a)kbanet.com> wrote:
My apologies. The phrase I should have used is "general
consent".
From Sturgis, p. 241
"General consent is a way of saving time by avoiding votes on routine
or noncontroversial matters. It can be used only when there is
unanimous agreement, and is sometimes referred to as 'unanimous
consent.' When it is used, the chair must always ask whether there is
any objection; if there is, a formal vote must be taken."
When the motion was made and seconded, I stated that the list was open
for discussion, and if there were no objections, it would pass. The
only discussion was positive and no one raised an objection. This does
not appear to be a controversial motion. To allow time for a vote
would require at least another week. The process of adopting bylaws
will take quite some time to complete, so time is of the essence.
Sturgis was designed for physical meetings, and we have to make
adaptations to fit our form of communication. I have had a
professional parlimentarian tell me that we cannot use Sturgis for just
that reason. But the adaptations have worked well so far. This is
also something that we will have to include in our bylaws.
Scott's point of order is not well taken. The motion passes by general
consent. We will now accept volunteers to form a committee to draft
bylaws for OHGenWeb and open the board for CC input on what should be
in those bylaws.
Scott and Bill have already volunteered. Please do not nominate others.
This committee will require an investment of time and I don't want
anyone to feel pressured.
Dale
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-----Original Message-----
From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Scott R. C. Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:29 AM
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on the Motion to
Form a Committee to Draft Bylaws
Point of order. In the past we have sort of kind of had discussion
periods of about seven days and end-of-discussion periods of about
three days, which adds up to ten days. But to follow parliamentary
procedure, there should be a motion and a second to end discussion and
bring this to a vote. Then it comes to time to say something like "if
there are no objections to ending discussion in two days, we will
vote". And only after that it becomes appropriate to say (if it seems
probable), "if there are no objections the motion will pass by
acclamation".
So I move to end discussion and bring this to a vote.
Scott
On Monday, November 17, 2008 7:37 AM MT, Dale Grimm <dale(a)kbanet.com>
wrote:
>It has been moved and seconded that we accept volunteers to form a
>committee to draft official bylaws for OHGenWeb and that the board be
>opened for discussion.
>
>If there are no objections within 10 days, the motion will pass by
>acclamation.
>
>
>Dale
>
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com]
>On Behalf Of Joan Asche
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:24 AM
>To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [OHGENWEB] Future of OHGenWeb
>
>I second that a committee be formed to develop the bylaws for OHGenWeb.
>
>Joan Asche
>
>On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Bill <wnoliver(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 'siyo,
>>
>> Sorry, your message didn't get to me before my last past, i.e.: "We
>> vote on them - ..."
>>
>> I move that a committee be formed to develop bylaws for the OHGenWeb
>> Project; that the membership be asked for discussion and amendments;
>> and, that each section of the bylaws proposed be handled separately.
>>
>> Sgi,
>>
>> Bill
>> -=-
>>
>> Dale Grimm wrote:
>>> Sturgis states that proposed bylaws be put before the membership
>>> for discussion and amendments. Each section of the bylaws are
>>> handled separately. Amendments are voted upon first, then the
>>> section of the bylaws. Then you move on to the next section.
Amendments & bylaw.
>>>
>>> This is the procedure that I would recommend:
>>>
>>> 1. A motion is offered and seconded to accept volunteers (3-5
>>> members) to form a committee to develop bylaws and to open the list
>>> to
>members input.
>>> 2. The committee comes up with bylaws using members input and
>>> other
>states'
>>> bylaws as a guideline.
>>> 3. We vote on them - and this will take some time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale
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