Linda,
The motion was to accept volunteers to form a committee to draft bylaws and
to open the list to CC input into those bylaws. This is not really a
controversial issue or one that had much discussion. The discussion
involved affirming the need for bylaws and some CC's already offered some
input into what should be in them and some already volunteered. There was
no negative discussion and no objections. I had asked for objections three
times. Discussion had tapered off substantially. At the outset, I informed
everyone that there would be discussion and, barring any negative comments
or objections, it would bass by general consent.
The discussion was not ended arbitrarily. It ended by itself. I merely
made it official.
Anyone who objects to my decision may offer a motion to appeal. A motion to
appeal needs no second. "I appeal the decision of the presiding officer"
will be fine.
Dale
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-----Original Message-----
From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Linda Boorom
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:04 AM
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on
theMotiontoForma Committee to Draft Bylaws
Dale,
On 11/17 you said
"It has been moved and seconded that we accept volunteers to form a
committee to draft official bylaws for OHGenWeb and that the board be opened
for discussion.
If there are no objections within 10 days, the motion will pass by
acclamation."
****
Sturgis pg 127-128 Bringing a Question to Vote "When it appears that all of
the members who wish to speak have done so, the presiding officer inquires,
"Is there any further discussion?". If there is not, the question is put to
a vote.
Some of the older manuals recommended that the chair ask, "Are you ready for
the question? when it appears that the discussion has ended. This query,
however, is often confusing to those not familiar with parliamentary
procedure: they are uncertain how to answer it. It often causes someone to
call out "Question!" which is not a proper parliamentary motion (see
Question!. page 67). Simply inquiring whether there is any further
discussion usually accomplishes the purpose more smoothly and is the form
more commonly used today.
The presiding officer should never end discussion arbitrarily. It should be
ended only by the assembly, whether by general consent (i.e., by silence
when the chair asks for further discussion), by a vote on the motion to
close debate, or by a previously adopted limitation on debate.
If the presiding officer starts to put the question to vote prematurely,
this does not cut off the right of a member to speak. A member, if
reasonably prompt in claiming the privilege, can assert the right to speak
at any time before the taking of the vote is completed and the result is
announced.
Debate is finally and completely closed by the announcement of the vote."
****
Discussion of a motion & voting on a motion seem to me to be 2 different
steps in the process. There "may be" those who did not wish to take part in
the discussion but may object to the motion when given the opportunity to
vote. It doesn't appear that as a rule, both should be taking place at the
same time.
So, I remain confused as to if discussion has officially ended (by you
allowing 10 days), if not, what is necessary to end discussion (you asking
if discussion is ended or absent that, Scott's motion to end discussion) so
we can bring the motion to "form a committee to draft bylaws" to a vote (by
General consent or otherwise)?
respectfully,
Linda Boorom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Grimm" <dale(a)kbanet.com>
To: <ohgen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on theMotiontoForm
a Committee to Draft Bylaws
Linda,
It can get quite confusing.
Both Sturgis and Roberts Rules of Order were written to cover physical
meetings - when all members are in the same room. There are no rules
designed for our means of meeting, so we have to adapt existing rules
to fit our situation.
Sturgis allows for "general consent" - if there is little discussion
on a non-controversial issue and if there is no objection to the
motion, the presiding officer (me) is allowed to declare the motion
passed. It's designed to save time and expedite the proceedings
somewhat. The motion on the floor was to form a committee to draft
bylaws and to open the list to CC input as to what goes into the
bylaws. Not a controversial issue. There was little discussion and there
were no
negative comments and no objections.
I declared it passed by general consent.
Scott raised a point of order - questioning my interpretation of
parliamentary procedure, which is his right. I overruled his point of
order. It would now be Scott's option to make a motion to appeal.
Then I would state the reasons for my decision, Scott would state his
reasons for appeal and then we put it to a vote. The vote would be to
sustain my decision, and it would take a majority vote to overrule my
decision. A tie vote would sustain my decision.
Is it clearer, or did I confuse the issue more?
Dale
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-----Original Message-----
From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Linda Boorom
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:59 PM
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on the
MotiontoForm a Committee to Draft Bylaws
OK, here is where I reallly start to get confused with following Sturgis.
Does Scott need to make the motion to end discussion a second time, esp.
since Bill 2nd the motion that motion made by Scott?
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Grimm" <dale(a)kbanet.com>
To: "'Scott R. C. Anderson'" <srca(a)mindspring.com>;
<ohgen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on the
Motion toForm a Committee to Draft Bylaws
> Scott,
>
> Then make your motion and let's get this moving.
>
>
> Dale
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com]
>>On Behalf Of Scott R. C. Anderson
>>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:29 AM
>>To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: [OHGENWEB] Motion to End Discussion and Vote on the Motion
>>to Form a Committee to Draft Bylaws
>>
>>Point of order. In the past we have sort of kind of had discussion
>>periods of about seven days and end-of-discussion periods of about
>>three days, which adds up to ten days. But to follow parliamentary
>>procedure, there should be a motion and a second to end discussion
>>and bring this to a vote. Then it comes to time to say something like
>>"if there are no objections to ending discussion in two days, we will
>>vote". And only after that it becomes appropriate to say (if it seems
>>probable), "if there are no objections the motion will pass by
> acclamation".
>>
>>So I move to end discussion and bring this to a vote.
>>
>>Scott
>>
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