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I would like to have that issue clarified, is this discussion about:
1) moving the national site only
2) moving the national site and the archives
3) encouraging all sites to move
4) requiring all sites to move
As which of these is at question here definitely affects the money question. When USGenWeb first started in 1996, I had a number of Kentucky conuties which at that time exceeded the tiny space then given as part of one's isp account so I paid for extra space, $45 a month. Some other CC's had better arrangements and some simply coped with having little space. Then word came about RootsWeb offering free space to counties... I was (and still am) cautious and waited a few months to see how that worked out for people and when it seemed good I moved my counties there and have never ever regretted it.
Holly Timm
Cuyahoga County Co CC
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From: Cynthia C Turk <cynthia.turk(a)juno.com>
> If we go elsewhere, who will pay for that?
> Cynthia Turk
> Lake Co., OH
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I see no reason to move and several reasons not to. Small header and footer banners noting who provides our space and bandwidth are not in appropriate. We have unlimited space and bandwidth on this server without any charge. As soon as we get into other srevers we are going to run into various issues revolving around money and if you think there have been ugly situations in USGenWeb before, just think what will happen when money issues raise their ugly head.
If you are talking about just the national site, doesn't need too much space although the bandwidth (due to number of hits) could be an issue. If this would be requiring removal of all USGenWeb sites from Rootsweb, well, then any USGenWeb sites I have go independent and stay.
I know this is brief but I woke up this morning to a dead computer (perhaps due to a dead motherboard although it is presently being investigated further) and that has made me cranky (I crank easily first thing in the morning) and I now have to use my old laptop and do mail online (which makes me even crankier). I am praying it is "just" the motherboard as that I could afford to replace.
Not sure when I will be able to keep up with this discussion but basically, I am not moving sites anywhere and I see no reason to run off moving any of our sites anywhere.
Holly
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From: Sandra Quinn <ohgen(a)alltel.net>
> Holly, as previous national coordinator for USGenWeb do you think
> USGenWeb should move to another server?
>
> Can you explain why you think it is okay for the mastheads?
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I'm sorry to see that the "way back machine" page is gone, or at least
greatly
changed. I sometimes used archives.com links for useful older links that
had
been dropped from the web. Now I guess even those links have stopped
working.
Nancy
Butler Co OHGenWeb
In a message dated 9/22/2007 12:53:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ohgen(a)alltel.net writes:
The way back machine only carries a few pages of our sites from some
years. They seem to have removed their pages to our most early sites.
I think they may have had some issues which caused them to remove a lot
from their sites too.
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SearchUs.com is a travel site, so I guess you mean the Way Back archive
page?
Spidering has been a normal practice of Google and its predecessors since at
least
1995, and allows searchers to enter our sites from any page, not just the
index page.
I think there is coding to put on pages that is supposed to keep search
engines from
finding them, but I've mostly always wanted to make info from my sites
available to
anyone who finds them useful. So while realizing there are some people who
want
their info to be private, I welcome the spiders.
Nancy
Butler Co OHGenWeb
In a message dated 9/22/2007 12:07:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ohgen(a)alltel.net writes:
What does the group think about the "search us" search engine spidering
our sites?
Some people have personal web pages or hidden databases for their
genealogy society members that become public when searches are conducted
that are not normally presented on google searches.
Sandy
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The way back machine only carries a few pages of our sites from some
years. They seem to have removed their pages to our most early sites.
I think they may have had some issues which caused them to remove a lot
from their sites too.
There has been a lot of discussion about this link that spiders and
presents full websites to the public, including hidden files.
Adams County Special Projects
* Search the USGenWeb
o USGenWeb-Search.Us <http://www.usgenweb-search.us>
I guess what I was talking about was that recent bout with Ancestry
capturing our website pages to present to their paying customers as an
additional research tool.
That did seem like a reality to a lot of people.
Ancestry took that site down because of discussions in the genealogy
community didn't they?
Sandy
the server space is funded by Ancestry, that gives no ownership or control
of our information to Rootsweb
-----Original Message-----
From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Sandra Quinn
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:21 PM
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [OHGEN] Discussion requested
Thank you Alice, we really appreciate an insider perspective.
Did you see that Rootsweb no longer says free genealogy on its site?
but "Finding Our Roots Together" and then in the small print at the
bottom says Rootsweb funded by Ancestry.com?
If we are on Rootsweb server, then aren't we also funded by
Ancestry.com/ TGN and couldn't they actually do whatever they want with
our sites?
Sandy
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On Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:28 AM MT, dale(a)madisoncooh.info wrote:
> The Rootsweb forced banner ads should not affect a CSS page. It will put
> separate banner ads on each frame of a frames site because each frame is,
> in essence, a separate web page.
I believe it's possible to hide the banners by including the following CSS in the <head> of a page:
<style>#hp_hdr { visibility: hidden; }</style>
or possibly
<style>#hp_hdr { height: 0; }</style>
This would probably be a violation of their AUP if you completely hid them, but if you only did it for the extra instances, it would probably be OK.
I'm not on Rootsweb so I haven't had the opportunity to test this -- if you do, please let me know how it works.
> Your original message kind of threw me - I didn't think Rootsweb supported
> any server-side scripting. Style sheets are interpreted by the browser,
> not the server.
As are frames.
Scott
Hi Holly,
I am wondering those same questions. I haven't seen anything yet from
the NC stating exactly what is in the discussions with TGN. Just that
there is questions of moving the national site, where it would move to
and would there be a cost to the national pages.
As far as our State Coordinator pages, are they supposed to be on the
same server as the National site? County webpages can be on any server,
free or paid for by the county coordinator.
When one moves their county pages off Rootsweb, the links are probably
more difficult to locate in a google search, as Rootsweb has a very high
ranking currently for genealogy. That is another risk we take if we
remove our site from the Rootsweb server, that our sites won't be found
in a google search.
Sandy
On Saturday, September 22, 2007 5:54 AM MT, dale(a)madisoncooh.info wrote:
> Sheila,
>
> Within the next few years, frames will not be supported by any browsers.
> It might be a good idea to learn new technology, like style sheets.
>
> There are some excellent tutorials:
> http://www.csstutorial.net/ and
> http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/css/
Hi, Dale,
Why do you say that frames will go away? Even if frames in their current state become deprecated (and they aren't yet, from what I can tell), it will be a decade at least before they actually disappear from inside browsers. To demonstrate that, write some pages using things like <CENTER>, <FONT>, <U>, and the others listed as deprecated here: <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/elements.html>. You'll find that they all still work and they were deprecated in 1999!
I'm not saying that people shouldn't be looking to upgrade the technology used in their web pages they should be. The most basic one is to switch from HTML to XHTML. The current version, XHTML 1.0, defines a document type for framesets that is a minor update to existing frames
language. The next version, XHTML 1.1 (still a candidate, it's not adopted yet), appears to move to yet another small variation with a module called XFRAMES. So it sure looks to me like frames will be around in some format for a long, long time..
I'm also not saying that there aren't other alternatives to including standard content in a web page. My favorite is to use a server-side technology like PHP but it's not available to many people (including everyone on Rootsweb).
Scott
I too do not wish to move pages from Rootsweb server. I have never
had any problems Rootsweb and do not think the small header and
footer they intend to put on pages will be intrusive. I have been CC
for 8 years and will stay with Rootsweb unless forced to move. As
volunteer I would not and could not pay for any server space. If
that ever became a requirement I would have to drop out as
coordinator unless funding came from another source.
Mark Lozer
Fulton County Ohio Gen Web Page Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohfulton/
Mark Lozer
817 N. Fulton St.
Wauseon, OH 43567
lozer(a)fulton-net.com
There are no plans to move anything anywhere. The discussion should be about the masthead/banner only.
Alice Allen
US GenWeb Project County Coordinator for
Geauga Co., OH
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohgeauga/geauga.html
Seneca Co., OH
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohseneca/seneca.html
NENC CC Rep
Co-Moderator, DISCUSS List
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On 9/22/2007 at 3:07 PM htimm(a)comcast.net wrote:
>I would like to have that issue clarified, is this discussion about:
>
> 1) moving the national site only
> 2) moving the national site and the archives
> 3) encouraging all sites to move
> 4) requiring all sites to move
>
>As which of these is at question here definitely affects the money
>question. When USGenWeb first started in 1996, I had a number of Kentucky
>conuties which at that time exceeded the tiny space then given as part of
>one's isp account so I paid for extra space, $45 a month. Some other CC's
>had better arrangements and some simply coped with having little space.
>Then word came about RootsWeb offering free space to counties... I was
>(and still am) cautious and waited a few months to see how that worked out
>for people and when it seemed good I moved my counties there and have
>never ever regretted it.
>
>Holly Timm
>Cuyahoga County Co CC
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Cynthia C Turk <cynthia.turk(a)juno.com>
>
>> If we go elsewhere, who will pay for that?
>> Cynthia Turk
>> Lake Co., OH
>>
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The Rootsweb forced banner ads should not affect a CSS page. It will put
separate banner ads on each frame of a frames site because each frame is,
in essence, a separate web page.
Your original message kind of threw me - I didn't think Rootsweb supported
any server-side scripting. Style sheets are interpreted by the browser,
not the server.
Dale
> Thank you, I appreciate all who are emailing to help me with frames, but I
> do not use frames.
>
> I use CSS. When I said server side scripts what I meant was I use CSS.
>
> http://www.sheilascorner.com/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/ashlandopen.html
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohashlan/index2.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcoshoc/maincosh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~pavenang/venangocountypa.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/sligocountyireland.html
>
> But it was kind of all of you to offer suggestions. I am waiting to see
> what happens with the CSS script I use.
> I assume the banners will be using server side script also to put them on
> all the pages at once.
>
> Sheila
>
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The changes which may be coming to our Project include adding a banner/masthead to identify that the USGenWeb Project is hosted by Rootsweb, and that Rootsweb is a part of the Ancestry/TGN community. Currently the AB and Rootsweb/TGN are discussing the design of the masthead. Most of us do not seem to have a problem with what we've seen so far, and the suggestions that have been offered for our masthead. I would venture to guess that if they are agreeable to our suggestions for masthead design--namely that it is clearly stated that we are hosted by Rootsweb and that it's Rootsweb (NOT the USGenWeb Project) which is part of TGN Community, the only change you'll see is the addition of a non-obtrusive banner at the top of your county site, if your county site is on Rootsweb servers. I am of the opinion that if we can all come to an agreement as to masthead design and any other similar issues, the USGenWeb Project and any state/county web sites will happily remain a part of !
Rootsweb.
Please note that the above is my opinion only, and I am not speaking FOR the AB, but offering my opinion based on what I've seen thus far.
AB discussion with Rootsweb/TGN regarding the proposed masthead is still in the early stages. I don't expect that this discussion will be finished anytime soon.
Alice Allen
US GenWeb Project County Coordinator for
Geauga Co., OH
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohgeauga/geauga.html
Seneca Co., OH
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohseneca/seneca.html
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On 9/21/2007 at 9:36 PM sandra_quinn(a)alltel.net wrote:
>One of our Ohio CC's has asked us to discuss the important changes which
>are about to happen with the USGenWeb project and our state sites. I
>would like to open this list to open discussion.
>
>Please consult the previous emails and lists listed to catch up on the
>events. TGN, The Generations Network is planning on putting Rootsweb /
>Ancestry linked mastheads on our sites and also if as a group whole we
>are unhappy with the turn of events there is conversation on what should
>happen to the USGenWeb project hosted by Rootsweb / Ancestry / TGN as to
>whether the site should remain on their server.
>
>Opinions are welcome and asked for.
>
>Sandy
>OHGenWeb SC
>
Dave,
I do not use frames. I use CSS.
Sheila
At 07:54 AM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
>Sheila,
>Within the next few years, frames will not be supported by any browsers.
>It might be a good idea to learn new technology, like style sheets.
>There are some excellent tutorials:
>http://www.csstutorial.net/ and
>http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/css/
>
>
>
>Dale Grimm
>Madison County OH
>Greene County OH
>
>
>> Sheila,
>>
>> have you thought of using CSS cascading style sheets? You do one style
>> of webpage and then it stays with your side bars headers, footers, and
>> you only need to change text on your following pages. Just a thought.
Like Holly, I don't have a problem with it either. After all they are offering "free" "Unlimited" web space. They have had banners on the freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com for family websites for some time now and I have had several types of webpage designs and they have yet to interfere with those designs. I now use CSS but didn't change to that because of their banner.
IMO you have two options, either stick with the free web pages and deal with the small banner or do as Genealogy Trails does and charge their SC & CC's a fee for volunteering and using their own server. When people start having to pay a fee to volunteer you won't get many volunteers. I for one won't pay a organization to be a volunteer.
Chyrl Lawrence-Bulger
Ross County
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From: Holly Timm<mailto:htimm@comcast.net>
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:ohgen@rootsweb.com> ; OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:OHGEN-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [OHGEN] Discussion requested
I don't have any problem with it.
Holly Timm
Co-CC Cuyahoga
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From: ohgen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:ohgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Sandra Quinn
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:37 PM
To: ohgen(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:ohgen@rootsweb.com>; OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:OHGEN-L@rootsweb.com>
Subject: [OHGEN] Discussion requested
One of our Ohio CC's has asked us to discuss the important changes which
are about to happen with the USGenWeb project and our state sites. I
would like to open this list to open discussion.
Please consult the previous emails and lists listed to catch up on the
events. TGN, The Generations Network is planning on putting Rootsweb /
Ancestry linked mastheads on our sites and also if as a group whole we
are unhappy with the turn of events there is conversation on what should
happen to the USGenWeb project hosted by Rootsweb / Ancestry / TGN as to
whether the site should remain on their server.
Opinions are welcome and asked for.
Sandy
OHGenWeb SC
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