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I sent this to Ohio once, but just in case someone missed it, here it
is again.
Patty
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:30:19 +0000
From: Linda Russell Lewis <cityslic(a)ix.netcom.com>
Organization: USGenWeb Archives, VAGenWeb
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Please Distribute This
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Reply-to: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Some county coordinators have not seen this message.
Linda
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Please share with your county coordinators.
Those county coordinators that handle their own county directory of the
Archives might be having a problem accessing the archives_ftp and
archives_html directory right now. That's because there was a security
problem, and we are currently working on it.
In the meantime, the state Archives file managers/archivists have been
asked to provide to me a list of those who should have access to county
directories for their state. Dale Schneider will then set the
"permissions" appropriately.
Thanks,
Linda
National Coordinator Campaign Message Board:
http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/r/16551/
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Beavercreek (Dayton), Ohio
plindsay(a)infinet.com
Assistant State Coordinator, OHGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cchelper/ - CCHelper
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/ - Surname Helper
http://www.gendex.com/users/plindsay/ - My Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohgreene/ - Greene Co Ohio
List owner for OHGREENE-L, DE-OLDSWEDES-L, CCHelper-L, and CCHelper-announce-L
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From: "Dale 'Doc' Schneider" <maddoc(a)rootsweb.com>
Organization: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:46:36 -0600
Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] vote clarification
Priority: normal
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Reply-to: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Kay, Doc, or whoever:
>
> I think we need to clarify one thing here...
>
> My understanding is that the new ballots are strictly to make sure
> everybody has one, and that if a person's already voted, they don't need
> to use the new ballot and vote again.
>
> Is this correct? I'm sure it's going to be the first question from the
> cc's....
That is correct... this second call for votes is only to make sure
EVERYONE gets a ballot.
We'll add a statement to that effect on the ballots too.
-Doc
Patty Lindsay
Beavercreek (Dayton), Ohio
plindsay(a)infinet.com
Assistant State Coordinator, OHGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cchelper/ - CCHelper
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/ - Surname Helper
http://www.gendex.com/users/plindsay/ - My Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohgreene/ - Greene Co Ohio
List owner for OHGREENE-L, DE-OLDSWEDES-L, CCHelper-L, and CCHelper-announce-L
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: vote-owner(a)usgenweb.org
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:29:08 -0700
Reply-to: vote-owner(a)usgenweb.org
Priority: normal
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Second CFV
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Please share this with your County Coordinators. Thank you
We will be mailing a second Call for Votes starting today.
It has come to our attention that there is some confusion about NO
votes.
NO votes will only be counted in the Bylaws section of the National
Coordinator/Bylaws ballot. The NO votes will not be counted in the
balloting for State Coordinator Representative, County Coordinator
Representative or National Coordinator.
vote-owner(a)usgenweb.org
Patty Lindsay
Beavercreek (Dayton), Ohio
plindsay(a)infinet.com
Assistant State Coordinator, OHGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cchelper/ - CCHelper
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/ - Surname Helper
http://www.gendex.com/users/plindsay/ - My Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohgreene/ - Greene Co Ohio
List owner for OHGREENE-L, DE-OLDSWEDES-L, CCHelper-L, and CCHelper-announce-L
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FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 20-Jul-98 10:40
Subject: Re:[OHGEN-L]CENSUS 2000...Maiden
From: frank roy froy(a)erols.com
To: David Zimmerman 73777,25
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Henry wrote:
>For what it is worth: There is a security risk of collecting maiden
names.
>Every time we fill out a credit (or other kinds of an) application,
>generally the mother's maiden name is used as a future reference (because
>no one knows it except the one filling out the application). If through
>genealogy posting and the US Census, suddenly everyone in the world knows
>our mother's maiden names, we have opened up a channel for credit fraud.
>Information is a valuable commodity and should be treated with respect or
>else we can unintentionally create a vulnerability in an existing
knowledge
>system.
>
>I am for allowing access to all the information possible, we just need to
>understand what risks result from being overly informed.
>
>Henry
>
It is interesting that we have a security problem in the US due to the
practice of using a persons's mothers' maiden name as a security devise.
In other words the risk is due to the devise adopted, not the information
in itself.
In Italy all women retain their prior to marriage names. There is no
concept of maiden name in effect in Italy by law.
Frank Roy
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Hi All,
There will be a second call for votes on the National level. Ballots
will be going out to everyone that is able to vote. If you have already
voted, you do not need to vote. They are only trying to make sure that
'everyone' gets a chance to vote.
Please pass that on to anyone under your care that needs to know.
Peace, Judy
David Zimmerman wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> A lady has some wonderful memorabilia from Crestline Ohio and the
> surrounding areas (basically Sandusky Township, Richland County Ohio) that
> she wants to donate to a historical society. Could someone please offer me
> some suggestions of where to have her contact? Attached is her listing of
> what she has in her possession.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maggie
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Maggie,
> Thank you for your prompt response to me.
> The area in which a lot of these items are from
> Crestline Ohio. License and Women's auxiliary
> cards are from Crestline also dated 1944 for license
> price of obtaining the drivers license in that year was
> an astounding price of one Quarter. Those were the good
> ole days, eh? The 1912 to 1917 report cards are from the
> Crestline High School, I also have a 1912 card booklet
> of poetry from our finest poets including our dear
> President Lincoln. The alumni records given to two of
> six students with teachers picture attached are from
> Sandusky Township, Richland County Ohio. 1921-1922.
> Very wonderful things. I cant imagine how it would be
> to step back in 1912, the year of the titanic, to see how
> simple and safe the world was at that time. I wonder what
> there crime statistics were if any compared to present day
> horrors. Again I thank you and deeply appreciate any help
> you can give me. THANK YOU, Joan.
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> Please see http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/us/index.html for
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David,
I would suggest contacting the Ohio Genealogical Society, 713 S. Main,
Mansfield, OH, , 44907-1644. They will be happy to accept your donation.
Jana in Fulton co., OH
Henry,
>>For what it is worth: There is a security risk of collecting maiden
names.
Every time we fill out a credit (or other kinds of an) application,
generally the mother's maiden name is used as a future reference (because
no one knows it except the one filling out the application).<<
I thought that they had gone to using a grandmother's maiden name because
of that problem. It is a good point. I don't think I would want any
further folks having access to my bank accounts and such.
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Hi Everyone,
A lady has some wonderful memorabilia from Crestline Ohio and the
surrounding areas (basically Sandusky Township, Richland County Ohio) that
she wants to donate to a historical society. Could someone please offer me
some suggestions of where to have her contact? Attached is her listing of
what she has in her possession.
Thanks,
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Thank you for your prompt response to me.
The area in which a lot of these items are from
Crestline Ohio. License and Women's auxiliary
cards are from Crestline also dated 1944 for license
price of obtaining the drivers license in that year was
an astounding price of one Quarter. Those were the good
ole days, eh? The 1912 to 1917 report cards are from the
Crestline High School, I also have a 1912 card booklet
of poetry from our finest poets including our dear
President Lincoln. The alumni records given to two of
six students with teachers picture attached are from
Sandusky Township, Richland County Ohio. 1921-1922.
Very wonderful things. I cant imagine how it would be
to step back in 1912, the year of the titanic, to see how
simple and safe the world was at that time. I wonder what
there crime statistics were if any compared to present day
horrors. Again I thank you and deeply appreciate any help
you can give me. THANK YOU, Joan.
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Hi All,
Sorry not to have responded before this. I wondered why there had been
no response to my post about the guidelines. I just got the digests for the
last week from Allen Richmond. Thanks Allen!!!!!
I am still in the process of reading through them - think I'll print
them out so I can concentrate on the individual ideas better.
Most of what is being said is 'use the KISS method'. I agree! That's why
I'm wanting input from the CCs as to what they want for guidelines. I want
to know what EVERYONE is thinking. This is your state, also, not just mine.
It is not up to me to decide how we run it. I would like to be an overseer
rather than a dictator.
BTW, #7 to me means that if you have current queries up, you have met
the guideline. "I" knew what I meant. That's why I need your help. I don't
always type it so's you know what I'm thinking.
I won't respond to the posts of late until I have a better chance to
review them. I have moved back to Eudora Lite from Outlook98. I don't know
if I will get my OHGen mail now or not. I may have to unsubscribe and then
resubscribe. Thank goodness for packrats like Allen.
Wally, don't be so hard on yourself. I think there are a lot of us that
feel the same way you do. Some people are afraid to express their opinions.
I'm glad to see that there are several out there that are not.
Keep the ideas coming. I am reading, mulling and will soon be sending
you another installment to chew upon. I don't think it'll be all that hard
to come up with something that we can all be happy with.
Peace, Judy
At 08:51 PM 7/18/98 -0400, several folks wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
> This is a collation of messages that came to my list and I thought you
> ... stuff deleted for sanity ...
>
For what it is worth: There is a security risk of collecting maiden names.
Every time we fill out a credit (or other kinds of an) application,
generally the mother's maiden name is used as a future reference (because
no one knows it except the one filling out the application). If through
genealogy posting and the US Census, suddenly everyone in the world knows
our mother's maiden names, we have opened up a channel for credit fraud.
Information is a valuable commodity and should be treated with respect or
else we can unintentionally create a vulnerability in an existing knowledge
system.
I am for allowing access to all the information possible, we just need to
understand what risks result from being overly informed.
Henry
In a message dated 98-07-19 14:21:42 EDT, you write:
<< For what it is worth: There is a security risk of collecting maiden names.
Every time we fill out a credit (or other kinds of an) application,
generally the mother's maiden name is used as a future reference (because
no one knows it except the one filling out the application). If through
genealogy posting and the US Census, suddenly everyone in the world knows
our mother's maiden names, we have opened up a channel for credit fraud.
Information is a valuable commodity and should be treated with respect or
else we can unintentionally create a vulnerability in an existing knowledge
system.
I am for allowing access to all the information possible, we just need to
understand what risks result from being overly informed.
Henry >>
Henry,
Wouldn't that also hold true for the head of household? It's not just madien
names of the women.
Heather
Hi Everyone,
This is a collation of messages that came to my list and I thought you
all might be interested as well.
Maggie
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FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 18-Jul-98 16:00
Subject: Re: CENSUS 2000 Change to Include Maiden Name
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Hello All.....I took the liberty to post all queries, replies and/or
comments to this subject and send them to the Maggie-List and to each of my
genealogy contacts, and hope to send to Rootsweb and my other lists as soon
as possible. I also will insure tha!
t this goes to the Census Bureau....appropriately and anyone else I think
of or you believe we should send it to.
Bob Curtis in San Antonio, Tx......
Please review the list below and make sure it is complete from your point
of view and submission ....if so I will go with it in the very near future.
I apologize if the items are not complete with from, to, date, etc and I
hope they are in the order posted!
. RobCurtis(a)prodigy.net
Queries, replies and/or comments regarding CENSUS 2000 - Re: Use of
Maiden Names
A. The Initial Query:
> Fellow Listers,
>
> On another list, the members are talking about the Census for the year
2000.
> The information listed on Census has improved, from a genealogy research
point
> of view, but it is still in the minus when it comes to women being
listed.
>
> I think at present it is 70 years before the census is released to the
public,
> so we know it will be a long time before this information will be viewed
by
> future researchers. Many of us will be long gone, but at least several
> generation from now will find their great, great, grandparents easier
than we
> found ours.
>
> Here are a few items from various messages, regarding the thoughts about
> asking that the women's maiden name information be included.
> -------------------------
> One thing (other than hard to read & extremely time consuming) about
> Censuses that has really hampered our progress in doing research is the
wife
> only has a first name.
> -------------------------------
> The 2000 Census is coming up soon. What do you think if we try to get
Our
> United States Government to add the woman's maiden name (real last name,
> Surname) to the questionnaire? It sure would be helpful to future
> family historians/researchers.
> -------------------------------
> You know, I don't know how this has slipped the attention of the Women's
> Libbers! We have all wished for this very thing, so let's get to work on
> it, before it is too late. You realize that these forms are designed and
> printed up pretty far in advance. So, who do we write to? Wonder if it
> would take an act of Congress?
>
> Just a thought.
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*****First Reply/Comment:
It might take an act of Congress. Perhaps if we contacted our
representatives, there might be a few who will take action. Or, it might
just be a matter of contacting the Census Bureau.
Sandy Wilson Barton
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*****2nd Reply/Comment:
> The 2000 Census is coming up soon. What do you think if we try to get Our
> United States Government to add the woman's maiden name (real last name,
> Surname) to the questionnaire? It sure would be helpful to future
>family historians/researchers.
==========================================
What a great idea!!!
Who knows how to get this rolling?
EJS in Denver
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*****3rd Reply/Comment:
This place may be worth a start:
http://www.census.gov/main/
I agree that the maiden name should be used for all females interviewed and
counted.
Bob Curtis in San Antonio, Tx...
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*****4th Reply/Comment:
Also How about the papers when printing obits also using the maiden names
or inserting UKN if not known
Earl
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*****5th Reply/Comment:
Census Web Site at:
http://www.census.gov
They have an e:mail address--see my message below--also they have info
posted for genealogy at:
http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/
Subj: Census Records
Date: 98-07-18 08:07:38 EDT
From: AuntMares
To: genealogy(a)census.gov
I have two questions:
1. Why can't census records taken contain the MAIDEN name of a wife??
Why must a woman's heritage remain in the dark?
2. Why are census records unavailable for so long? A cousin of mine from
England was here and he was astounded that information wasn't
available to search like it is in England. One can search for birth,
death,
marriage, tax, estate, records that are currently registered why is
the
census such a deep dark secret for 72 years???
Thank you
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*****6th Reply/Comment
Bob, I got all the email addresses off the census site. Maybe we should
send
it to all our mailing lists and ask people to email the bureau, maybe give
them an example of what to say. If you go to the site, you just click on
Census 2000 and there's a list of staff. On the home page there is also an
About Us button and you can get the Acting Director's email address too.
Or
the direct web address is: www.census.gov/main/www.aboutus.html
I wonder if rootsweb. com would let us send to all their lists. Since I
already copied the list, here it is:
EXECUTIVE STAFF
Director - James F. Holmes (Acting).........................301-457-2135
e-mail: James.F.Holmes(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
Assistant to the Director - Emma Moreno.................301-457-2897
Deputy Director & Chief Operating Officer -
Bradford R. Huther........................................301-457-2138
Assistant to the Deputy Director - Peter A. Bounpane....301-457-2879
Principal Associate Director & Chief Financial Officer -
Nancy A. Potok............................................301-457-2473
Principal Associate Director for
Programs - Paula J. Schneider.............................301-457-2092
Administration/Comptroller - Michael S. McKay (Acting)......301-457-3149
Assistant Director for Geographic Policy - Robert W. Marx...301-457-2131
Communications - Vacant.....................................301-457-2158
Decennial Census - John H. Thompson.........................301-457-3946
Assistant Director - Preston J. Waite....................301-457-3968
Demographic Programs - Nancy M. Gordon......................301-457-2126
Economic Programs - Frederick T. Knickerbocker..............301-457-2112
Assistant Director - Thomas L. Mesenbourg................301-457-2932
Field Operations - Marvin D. Raines.........................301-457-2072
Information Technology & Chief Information
Officer - Karen F. Gregory................................301-457-2168
Methodology & Standards - Cynthia Z.F. Clark................301-457-2160
e-mail: Cynthia.Z.F.Clark(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
Census 2000 contacts (page)
staff
Census Methodology - Carl Konschnik (SVSD)....................301-457-2675
e-mail: Carl.A.Konschnik(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
Design & Plans - Paul Campbell/...............................301-457-3947
e-mail: Paul.R.Campbell(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
John Stuart (DPDO)...........................301-457-3949
Questionnaire Content - Louisa Miller (POP)...................301-457-2073
e-mail: Louisa.F.Miller(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
Media Relations - David Hoffman (C2PO)........................301-457-2000
e-mail: David.J.Hoffman(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
Census History - William Micarelli (DIR)......................301-457-1167
e-mail: William.F.Micarelli(a)ccMail.Census.GOV
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Source: U.S. Census Bureau
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*****7th Reply/Comment:
A generous soul forwarded this URL to me. It is for the sample copy of the
2000 Census. They are going to ask you almost everything--even somethings
I don't really want recorded for posterity. :-) It does not ask for maiden
names, but researching our records should be very interesting for our
ggrandchildren.
http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/content.htm
James.F.Holmes(a)ccMail.Census.GOV is the email address for the acting
director of the Census bureau. The web site says to contact the Director,
Bureau of the Census Washington, DC 20233 if you have any comments on the
sample census. I'm going to drop him a line about the maiden names. If
anyone else feels so inclined, we can let him know what a boon this would
be for genealogists.
Sandy Wilson Barton
Columbus, Ohio
sandbar(a)qn.net
Wilson, Barton, Fink, Boyer, Athey, Timmons, Forshey, King, Jemison,
Oakshette
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*****8th Reply/Comment:
This a great suggestion.....I think everyone should also send something to
their congressional representatives....I intend to do just that and
anything else that will
help sway the bureau in adding the maiden name of all females who have
married.
Adoption changes are also a hinderence in genealogy, but.....that would be
a real
bucket of worms....
Bob Curtis in San Antonio, Tx
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9th Reply/Comment:
None, I don't believe....at this moment...2:55pm, Sat, Jul 18, 1998
I hope this gets to everyone....in one piece....
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Hello Judy and all,
Keeping in mind that Judy presented the "Adoption Requirements" in the form
as she would "like to see them," did not mean this is the way things were
going to be.
Secondly, Judy also very wisely presented the "Adoption Requirements" for
everyone's review, comments, ideas, suggestions, and revisions. In other
words, Judy has an "open door" policy in my mind.
Other than Roberts and Wally's comments on Item #7 and 7a and 7b, there does
not seem too be much said about this. Am I missing some discussion here??
It seems the biggest qualm is over the words "research information." If
approaching item #7 from a potential and prospective beginning CC point of
view, I still feel that the words "research information" conjure up many
trips to the local library/courthouse and requires spending hours upon hours
of researching hard genealogical data to be placed on a county page. I also
foresee many many questions being directed at the SC for clarification on
"what do you mean by "research information."
Since the GenWeb is made up of volunteers, it would be absurd to "require"
volunteers to spend time at the courhouse/library to gather hard
genealogical data to put on county websites. The hard data scenario is
ideal and may eventually come about by hardworking "volunteers" but not by
demand or obligation. It seems to me some tea was thrown off a ship once
because of "unfair" demands. As a pround born and bred Kentuckian, I'm
ready with my tea bags if necessary!!!! (grin)
The obvious intent of item #7 is to insure prospective and current CC's
maintain a current web page for on-line researchers. This certainly needs
to be stated and clearly understood by all.
After reviewing several times Roberts and Wally's comments, I propose that
Item #7 read:
"7.) Keep in mind that you, as an OHGenWeb Project County Coordinator, have
volunteered to provide and maintain an up to date webpage to the online
researchers of your county."
When Judy calls for the discussion about item 7b and related item #8
and depending upon what the results are.....perhaps item 7b or even 7c, or
whatever, could read (as clarification of item #7):
Example citiing ideas from Robert:
Item 7c} Whatever you decide to put on your page, you will maintain it,
make sure that is is current, i.e. links, announcements, addresses, phone
numbers, e-mail addresses, etc.
Whelp, that'll darned sure stir up the pot of black-eyed peas!!!!
Cathy,
Williams Co., OHGenWeb
Licking County, Ohio has a new OHGenWeb site:
"http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohlickin/index.html"
We welcome your visiting, linking, and working with us to make this an
informative site for researchers. Currently, we are concentrating on
1800-1850 Family Migrations, especially from PA to OH (more
specifically, from Schuykill Co., PA to Pickaway Co., OH circa 1840's
and subsequent migration to Licking County, OH. Do you have
information/maps/stories that will bring these migrations to life?
We are interested in finding more data about British/Welsh migrations
that took place in these areas -- websites found to date have
concentrated on Scottish/German heritage. We hope you will share any
information you have to help us build an accurate history of these
migrations.
Thanks, Linda
In response to Judy Kelble's request for comments, Cathy Cooley wrote:
> You asked for input on additions, etc. Hopefully, I am assuming
> correctly
> that Item No. 7 "to provide up to date research information....."
> means
> providing up to date addresses for researchers to contact.
>
> I feel this needs a small bit of clarification. The sentence comes
> across
> to me as if I "have" to have genealogical info on my site. I wonder
> how
> this reads to others??
>
<snip>
Clearly, Wally has in mind the interpretation you mention in the second
paragraph. Perhaps it can be remedied by re-wording it (or may be not).
Like Cathy, I take it to mean that with whatever you decide to put on
your page, you will maintain it, make sure that it is current (when that
criteria applies such as with links, announcements, addresses, phone
numbers, etc.). This has been a problem when CCs seemingly abandon
their pages. It does our researchers a disservice when they encounter
dated information so that we really ought to address the issue via
guidelines/requirements rather than saying it is acceptable by making no
mention of it. Even though we are all volunteers, we have accepted
responsibility for maintaining our sites. I don't see a problem with
spelling out the details if the majority agrees on what our
responsibilities are.
I can provide some examples of why a section like this is needed. I
have research in a northeastern state where I visit USGenWeb county
pages. I have no idea what is going on between the SC and CCs there,
but some counties still carry information about "contacting John Rigdon,
the National Coordinator" for more information about the USGenWeb
Project--he hasn't been the NC for more than a year. Some of these
pages announce an upcoming regional conference which is going to be held
in "April 1997" more than a year ago. Some of these pages seem to be
kept up in terms of new queries, but the other information presented has
become completely out of date and only serves to confuse researchers.
These sites impede rather than facilitate research. One county in
particular has posted no new queries since July 1997. People have no
need to return to those sites because there will apparently never be
anything new or helpful. I find it really frustrating and kind of
depressing to visit the county pages because there is so much more that
could be done with minimal effort. People visiting these kinds of pages
can easily end up with a negative impression of the project, so I think
this is an issue which needs to be addressed.
Robert Bremer
bremerr(a)oclc.org
Judy,
You asked for input on additions, etc. Hopefully, I am assuming correctly
that Item No. 7 "to provide up to date research information....." means
providing up to date addresses for researchers to contact.
I feel this needs a small bit of clarification. The sentence comes across
to me as if I "have" to have genealogical info on my site. I wonder how
this reads to others??
If I am correct, then I would like to see the addition, perhaps in
parenthesis: (i.e. area addresses to contact) or some such thing.
By the way......I am happy to announce that I am a "grandma" for the first
time and to twin boys to boot!!!!! There has been a lot of excitement in
our family over the new twins.
Cathy
Williams Co., OHGenWeb
I would like to add my voice to Wally, Sharyn, and limited guidelines.
This may be simplistic, but I feel our first responsibility is to the people
who visit our sites. I appreciate and see the OHGenWeb as:
1. Easy access to tell people where to find other counties.
2. Access to other cc's to share problems and solutions
3. Representation and connection to USGenWeb, so we don't get shafted with
rules and regulations; and keep us up to date.
4. A clearing house and resource (Not a police force.)
In return, I am willing to put up the OHGenWeb logo, links to bordering
counties, act on committees, as well as follow rules for USGenWeb.
Each county has their own problems in getting data and in dealing with
volunteers and locals. I find it presumptuous for someone from another county
or state to tell me what I "have" to put on line. Obviously, there is a good
reason why they are not up now.
Willi
cc: Clark Co OH USGenWeb at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohclark
cc: Champaign Co OH USGenWeb at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohchampa
proj. manager: OH Locations for OH USGenWeb at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohdefunc
owner: Clark-Champaign-L(a)rootsweb.com
owner: DEATON Family Web Page at http://members.aol.com/goodoldgal/index.html
Hello all,
For a good site with lots of freebies to download and even copy for your
local library (their suggestion) go to:
http://www.genrecords.com
Cathy
Williams Co. OHGenWeb
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Kelble <jkelble(a)accnorwalk.com>
To: OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <OHGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:05 PM
Subject: [OHGEN-L] FW: census
>Hi All,
> I would presume that there are places on the net that will have census
>forms. Anyone know of URLs? Do we want a commercial link page for just such
>items?
>
>
> :)
> Peace, Judy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JEButler30(a)aol.com [mailto:JEButler30@aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:38 PM
>To: jkelble(a)accnorwalk.com
>Subject: census
>
>
>Judy,
>I am going to do the 1820 census of Columbiana Co.Ohio, but I need some
>census
>forms. Where can I get these? Either to buy or to print out.
>Thanks for your help
>Jean
>
>
>==== OHGEN Mailing List ====
>This list is for the discussion of topics related to the OHGenWeb project.
>It's primary audience is the county coordinators, state coordinator and
>other volunteers for the project.
>
>Please see http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/us/index.html for
>information about various mailing lists for the posting and sharing of
>Ohio genealogy.
>
>
Amen
Jack H. Pike
jpike(a)deltanet.com
Columbiana County Coordinator US GenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcolumb/index.htm
Pike Family Tree
http://users.deltanet.com/~jpike/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
>In view of the elections, this is a campaign speech. Unlike most other
>states, Ohio has said virtually nothing on its state list about the issues
>being decided in this month-long election. --The Crumudgeon
>
>At 15:26 7/14/98 -0000, Judy wrote:
>
>>... but I feel that it is important.
>
>This is important ONLY if you believe USGenWeb has the right to dictate
what
>you may and may not do with your pages. The less rules and regulations,
the
>better, as far as I am concerned. I can agree to most of what Judy posted,
>though, since the items are (mostly) the necessary matrix to bind the whole
>together and keep everyone going the same direction. I (personally) see no
>need to discuss #7b or #8. I -would- suggest that active links be
liberally
>used when folks are asked to check this and that, but those links probably
>don't show in the text version we are seeing on this list (like links to
the
>OH counties page, USGenWeb CC's requirements pages, etc.)
>
>> I will be starting a discussion on #7b and #8 in a later post.
>
>IMHO, you can throw out 7 itself altogether. #7a is about something else
>and should, perhaps, be a separate point. #7b is really about #8 and can
be
>moved there instead.
>
>The opening statement for #7 is where I part company with most of you. I
>would not like to see that statement at all. I did NOT (in June 1996) and
>will NOT now volunteer -for some project- "to provide up-to-date research
>information to the online researchers of" my county. All I volunteered to
>do was mount -a- page, build a group of volunteers to do lookups, collect
>and mount queries, link to the main state and national project pages, and
>(later when, it was proposed) use the Project logos (but only on that which
>belongs to the project). Nothing else!
>
>I guess I may now tell those who are on tiresome lookup duty for my
counties
>that they could better use their time to help others on the lists instead
>since the Project no longer requires them. I have never seen a direct,
>official statement that we could pull those pages, but NOT seeing the
>requirement here pretty much tells the official story now.
>
>What -other- things I do for my counties, I CHOOSE myself to do in
>consultation with the locals and my own conscience. I (and those locals)
>will NOT be dictated to by those claiming authority from above to re-invent
>how genealogy may be done in my counties. What data, how it is presented,
>where it may reside on the web, to whom it may be 'donated', who may use
it,
>why the data is limited, etc., are all issues that USGenWeb and OHGenWeb
>have no right themselves to decide as requirements of project volunteers.
>
>This is at the heart of what I object to about the proposed bylaws and why
I
>voted NO on that whole, manipulative, power-hungry travesty. If the
Project
>-does- intended to impose such demands, this is no longer the Project I
>joined in June 1996. It is something else altogether. If the wording of
#7
>is retained, the Bylaws pass, and, therefore, are imposed after-the-fact on
>current CCs regardless what they originally agreed to, then I will have to
>re-negotiate with myself and the locals just how far and to what extent I
>can follow them. That is a bridge I will or will not cross when the time
comes.
>
>I believe the other points in what Judy sent really -are- the domain of the
>Project and are necessary to maintain order and cohesiveness.
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>wally(a)calweb.com
>
>
>==== OHGEN Mailing List ====
>This list is for the discussion of topics related to the OHGenWeb project.
>It's primary audience is the county coordinators, state coordinator and
>other volunteers for the project.
>
>Please see http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/us/index.html for
>information about various mailing lists for the posting and sharing of
>Ohio genealogy.
>
Wally,
You don't stand alone on this. I will also be reevaluating my association
with USGW after the elections.
I speak only for myself and not the other 2 members (Pam and Scott) of the
Coshocton team.
Sharyn
At 07:27 PM 7/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>What -other- things I do for my counties, I CHOOSE myself to do in
>consultation with the locals and my own conscience. I (and those locals)
>will NOT be dictated to by those claiming authority from above to re-invent
>how genealogy may be done in my counties. What data, how it is presented,
>where it may reside on the web, to whom it may be 'donated', who may use it,
>why the data is limited, etc., are all issues that USGenWeb and OHGenWeb
>have no right themselves to decide as requirements of project volunteers.
>
>This is at the heart of what I object to about the proposed bylaws and why I
>voted NO on that whole, manipulative, power-hungry travesty. If the Project
>-does- intended to impose such demands, this is no longer the Project I
>joined in June 1996. It is something else altogether. If the wording of #7
>is retained, the Bylaws pass, and, therefore, are imposed after-the-fact on
>current CCs regardless what they originally agreed to, then I will have to
>re-negotiate with myself and the locals just how far and to what extent I
>can follow them. That is a bridge I will or will not cross when the time
comes.