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Thank you to Pat and Pat (!) and Lori and Diane for all your replies trying
to help me. Since you all are trying so hard to help, I thought I'd better
fill you in on what I know and what I've checked. I apologize if I'm going
overboard with information, but hopefully this will explain better what I do
Trying to locate church records: I checked the LDS catalog and all they have
microfilmed for the Presbyterian Church in Warsaw is baptism records up to
I e-mailed the national Presbyterian archives about what holdings they have
and they sent me a form letter saying they get 400 requests a month just for
such basic information. They'll get back to me within 4 weeks. If they do
have records of interest, they don't do research, but can either make
recommendations, or if it's filmed make other arrangements (I think-- this
was late last night and my brain was beginning to misfire-- I need to
recheck the website when I hear back).
Judging by what google turns up, the church is no longer in existence, at
least not as Presbyterian. Does anyone know if this is true?
So, I guess my next step is to write the historian as a couple of you have
suggested, to see if they know anymore about the church's records. It is my
understanding the state did not require marriage records be kept by the
towns that early, although some towns may have been doing it anyway.
As for personal information about my people:
Almon EGGLESTON, b. 1821-25 Bennington Co., VT; d. 27 Feb 1887, Flint,
Genesee Co., MI.
As he is not my direct line, I have only searched a few more obvious sources
to determine his family. It's amazing how many Egglestons, and even Almon
Egglestons, there are. So I know nothing about his parents or siblings.
Nellie GIBLIN, b. 24 Dec 1841, Ontario, Canada (the 1870 census says NY, but
everything else says Ontario or Canada), d. 6 Dec 1892, Flint, Michigan.
According to the family story, her sister (my great-grandmother
Kittie/Katherine Giblin, b. 1847/48-d. 1880), was born in Hamilton, Ontario,
as were probably all the siblings. They were orphaned at an early age, most
likely after their family moved to upstate New York. Another sister died
young of typhoid.
1850. I have not been able to locate any of the Giblin siblings in the 1850
census. I have checked every Giblin household in the U.S. The Canadian
1851 census is not readily available to me. I subscribe to relevant Ontario
lists, but no luck so far. Luckily Giblin is not a common name, so I can
afford to track each and every one I come across. I have located all 3
known siblings from 1860 until their deaths.
I have located Almon Eggleston in the 1850 census in Erie Co., NY when he
was married to his 1st wife Mary J., b. NY. Their household includes son
George, 10/12, b. NY.
1850s. I have a copy of an old photo labeled as Kittie/Katherine's parents
(no names), taken in Waterloo, Seneca Co., NY. Judging by photo style,
clothing, etc., it looks like the 1850s in my unprofessional opinion.
1860. In 1860 Almon Eggleston is in the Flint, Genesee Co., MI census,
listed with Mary J. and George, 10, and Hellen [sic], 7, b. NY (I have no
further info on Helen/Hellen).
In 1860 Nellie GIBLIN is listed (at least in my index) as Nelle Gibben
(looking at the image, it could be a "b" or an "l") in the household of
Volney WARREN in Warsaw, NY, age 19, domestic, b. Canada. As all the
personal information matches and she's in the same location where she
married a year later, I'm sure this is she. No idea who Volney Warren is,
though. This is the earliest record I have found for Nellie.
I have located Kittie Giblin, Nellie's sister and my gr-grandmother, age 14,
in Seneca County in 1860 as Katie Giblin, living as a servant in another's
household; and I've located probable brother John Giblin, age 22, Wayne Co.,
NY, living in a farmer's household, no obvious relation.
1861. According to his Civil War pension file, Almon and Nellie married 25
March 1861 in Warsaw, NY by the minister of the Presbyterian Church.
1862. August-- Almon Eggleston "joined for duty and was enrolled" in the
Union Army in Flint, MI.
1870. Almon and Nellie Eggleston are listed together with the following
children in 1870 in Flint, Genesee Co., Michigan:
Charles, 7, b. MI
Merritt, 5, b. MI
George, 20, b. NY
1880. In 1880 they are listed again with Charles and Merritt in Flint, MI.
1887. Almon Eggleston died in Flint, MI.
1892. Nellie Eggleston died in Flint, MI.
**Nellie's 1860 census record and their 1861 marriage mentioned in Almon's
Civil War pension file are the only times I've located either one in Wyoming
County. The fact that he had moved to Michigan by 1860 yet married Nellie
in New York in 1861 and they were back in Flint by August 1862 makes me
wonder why he returned to New York unless he already knew her and/or he
still had connections there.
Because the old photo of the parents was taken in Waterloo, Seneca Co., ca.
1850s, and because Kittie was found there in 1860, I'm guessing that's where
the family (if it was still intact) settled when they came to New York from
Ontario. Unfortunately, from what I can figure out, many of Seneca County's
records have been lost, in part when the county seat was moved.
Occasionally, it seems some records turn up in peoples' basements or attics.
The Seneca County list hasn't been as responsive as this one.
Anyway, the purpose behind all of this is that I'm hoping that some sort of
record will give me more information about Nellie's parents and perhaps
siblings. A marriage record or newspaper item about the marriage seem to me
to be the most likely places to check, if they exist. I do realize
newspaper notices could be bare bones or elaborate, more likely the former,
but I don't what else to try. If the church's records for that time period
could be located...
So there you have it in a nutshell (maybe a coconut shell). Thank you all
again for your help.
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Dear Juliann and Wyoming County List,
Re: Presbyterian Church Records of Warsaw
The Records of the First Presbyterian Church at Warsaw, N.Y. were
contributed by Henry Ten Hagen and published in the October, 1937 volume
(67) of The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record.
However, the records published only went to 1858! and there were no marriage
The records published were from:
Book I---1808-1825 (Includes List of Church Members, List of Deaths and
Dismissal--when someone moved away), only 10 Deaths listed, several Baptisms
Book II---From 1825 to 1842 is MISSING (according to this article)
Book III---1842-1858 (Church Members' List, Dismissals, 5 Deaths are listed,
and again several Baptisms.
No marriages, however.
I sent a copy of this article to Doris Bannister, the Wyoming County
Historian, and thought it would be a great article to reprint in a future
issue of the quarterly, Historical Wyoming.
In doing a quick glance through the article, though, I did not see either
the Eggleston or Giblin surnames.
There will be no township or state vital records that early.
Juliann, yes, do write and ask if the office knows of available records
after 1858 or write to the church directly.
When you write to the Historian's office ask them to check the surname
folders for your names of interest. Include a donation to have the Western
New Yorker newspaper checked for the marriage you are seeking. The paper
was, in 1861, listing marriages, but just the bare basics. If I am not
mistaken, the newspaper during this time period charged the couple a dollar
for this service.
I highly recommend you subscribe to Historical Wyoming if your people lived
for any length of time in Wyoming County. The cost is only $7.50. Make check
payble to Historical Wyoming, and mail to Office of the Wyoming County
Historian, 26 Linwood Avenue, Warsaw, NY 14569.
The Index to Historical Wyoming, which dates back to 1947, is online at
Past issues can be purchased, if still in stock, and if not, articles can be
photocopied. Write to Doris Bannister for details.
I did a quick check for Nellie Giblin on ancestry.com census index for 1860
and 1850 and found nothing. The 1870 and 1880 censuses show Nellie and Almon
Eggleston living in Flint, Michigan, where he is a painter. Their children
were born in Michigan. 1870 census states her age as 30 and birthplace New
York, while 1880 lists age as 38 and birthplace of herself and her parents
as CANADA. Most of the Giblins came, as I'm sure you know, from Ireland.
I hope this helps a little! Sincerely, Patricia Boddy Tharp
>From: "J Hansen" <jrsh9999(a)earthlink.net>
>Subject: [NYWYOMIN] Eggleston-Giblin marriage
>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:07:36 -0400
>My great-grandmother's sister Nellie GIBLIN married Almon EGGLESTON March
>25, 1861 by the minister of the Presbyterian Church of Warsaw, New York
>(this is according to his Civil War pension file).
>I am hoping that either the church records or a town record or a newspaper
>notice might provide information about Nellie's birthplace or parents'
>names. Even just witness names would be of possibly interest.
>Does the church still exist and, if so, does anyone know if they still have
>the records from that time period?
>Would the town have marriage records for that timeframe and if so how would
>I best access them?
>Or would the historian's office be a better bet for either of these or a
>Thanks for any help. I'm new to Wyoming County research and learning my
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My great-grandmother's sister Nellie GIBLIN married Almon EGGLESTON March
25, 1861 by the minister of the Presbyterian Church of Warsaw, New York
(this is according to his Civil War pension file).
I am hoping that either the church records or a town record or a newspaper
notice might provide information about Nellie's birthplace or parents'
names. Even just witness names would be of possibly interest.
Does the church still exist and, if so, does anyone know if they still have
the records from that time period?
Would the town have marriage records for that timeframe and if so how would
I best access them?
Or would the historian's office be a better bet for either of these or a
Thanks for any help. I'm new to Wyoming County research and learning my way
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the rest of the names from the first page
Mary Ann Porter
Nathan N. Kellog
Shipman Phelps Turner first birth son of roswell and Catherine
Catherine Allen wife of Roswell Turner
Justin Loomis first marriage to Polly Ralph
Polly Ralph first marriage to Justin Loomis
Walter Welch first death
I guess there are alot of you looking for name from the old days
I have only transcribed the first page of the document and the
following names are listed
I will post additional names as i find them
Lemuel, Dr. Shipman
David Hoard from Rennesseler
George Griswald (Grinelll)
I recently found a copy of the town of sheldon history 1776-1976
200 years of Freedom
cover designed by brian rude
and is dedicated to Josephine Almeter
I am happy to do look ups in this 30 page document if anyone is interested
I am in the process of transcribing the data
Here's 3/24/05's obituaries & Remember When...
Trish Hackett Nicola
A complete copy of the current last two weeks' obituaries from AH can be
found on-line at www.arcadeherald.com or look for an obituary that was
published in the last six months in "Advanced Search"
Ceylon S. "Moe" Kessler, 73, died March 18, 2005
Myril G. Korb, 80, died March 17, 2005
Roy A. Lenhardt, 92, died March 16, 2005
Sue Ludwig, 72, died March 20, 2005
George W. Potter, 84, died March 11, 2005
Nicholas C. Chmielewski, died March 20, 2005
Marcia M. Rasmusson, 90, died March 18, 2005
Reprinted with permission from the author of Remember When..., p. 7, Arcade
Herald, March 24, 2005, copied by Trish Hackett Nicola (*See below for
information on how to receive a copy of the original article or obituary.)
10 Year Ago, March 23, 1995
Deaths: Margaret "Peggy" STREICHER McCUTCHEON, 73, of Strykersville; Harold
SWARTZ, 61, of Arcade; Glenn EATON, 58, of Arcade.
25 Years Ago, March 20, 1980
Dr. Harry Q. PACKER, Pioneer school superintendent from 1972 to 1977, died
in Florida at age 63.
35 Years Ago, March 25, 1970
Hazel HOPKINS resigned as executive secretary of the Wyoming County Chapter
of the American Red Cross.
Deaths: Harold TUCKER, 66, of Sandusky; Robert CONLEY, a native of Holland.
50 Years Ago, March 24, 1955
Robert ZIMMER of Arcade was valedictorian and Albert SIMONS of Strykersville
was salutatorian of the graduating class at Arcade Central School.
The Arcade Community Chorus, directed by R. Lee COUCH, was performing the
cantata "The Seven Last Words of Christ."
Deaths: John WARING, 54, of Delevan, founder of the Yorkshire Equipment Co.;
Herbert LOOMIS, 61, of Arcade.
*To receive a copy of an original article or obituary, send a written
request listing the individual article and the exact date of the issue to
Arcade Historical Society, P. O. 236, Arcade, NY 14009. Include a check or
money order for $5 for each request
I've "rescued" an old photograph of Mrs. Roy HAUGHTON and her daughter which
was taken at the Duryea Studio in Perry, New York. The photograph appears
to have been taken in the 1880's with Mrs. HAUGHTON likely in her 30's at
the time and her daughter just an infant. The photograph was recovered
along with others containing the surnames, JACKSON, PARASI, WHEELER,
REYNOLDS, ROBINSON, KIMBELL, SOHR, GOULD, GWAIN, CLARK, and STEWART
originating from studios in Buffalo, NY; Perry, NY; and Alexandria, MN.
I'm hoping to locate someone from this family so that the photograph can be
returned to them. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who
might be, please contact me.
I've "rescued" an old photograph identified as Mr. Palmer KIMBELL which was
taken at the Crocker Studio in Perry, New York. The photograph appears to
have been taken in the 1880's with Palmer looking to be in his 40's at the
time. Based on limited research, I believe that this is a photograph of
Palmer KIMBALL who married Harriet WARNER and was living with Harriet's
parents in Warsaw, NY during the 1880 census.
Palmer KIMBALL was age 36, born in NY, a Farmer whose parents were also born
in NY, his wife Harriet was age 34, also NY born. The had a daughter Flora
E. KIMBALL age 5 at the time, born in NY. Harriet's parents were Willard &
Roxana WARNER, Willard age 72 at the time, born in NY, a Farmer whose
parents were born in CT and PA. Her Mother, Roxana was age 68, born in VT
to CT born parents.
The photograph was recovered along with others including the surnames,
JACKSON, PARASI, WHEELER, REYNOLDS, ROBINSON, GOULD, SOHR, HAUGHTON, GWAIN,
CLARK, and STEWART originating from studios in Buffalo, NY; Perry, NY; and
Alexandria, MN. I'm hoping to locate someone from this family so that this
wonderful old photograph can once again be in the hands of family.
If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please