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In a message dated 6/30/01 10:02:17 AM, TSRobida(a)aol.com wrote:
> Are there marriage
>certificates for NYC (Manhattan) from say 1875 to 1883? If so, is there an
>index for the marriages?
Yes to both questions. The returns and the indexes are on microfilm and can
be reviewed at the Municipal Archives of NYC. I believe that the LDS Church
also has these indexes, but not the returns
Here's a link to the MA's website which will tell you how to go about
ordering a copy of a certificate or initiating a search.
<A HREF="http://vitalrec.com/ny.html">New York Vital Records Information -
birth or dÉ</A>
In a message dated 6/30/2001 10:02:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> This is a shot in the dark, and I'm hoping, since their
> children were born in NYC that they also got married there..prior to going
Woops, forgot to mention that according to a SS# application and a marriage
certificate of one of the children he was born in NYC. I do not have a birth
Hi all! Hoping someone here has an answer for me. Are there marriage
certificates for NYC (Manhattan) from say 1875 to 1883? If so, is there an
index for the marriages? I'm looking for the marriage of a Louis Adam KIEFER
to Bertha Dorothy PASCHAL/PASACAL/PASCAL (lots of different spellings from
family notes!!). This is a shot in the dark, and I'm hoping, since their
children were born in NYC that they also got married there..prior to going to
SI. They seem to have "hopped" between.
Thanks for any information!
ummmmmm who are you peoples???? i dont recognized any names .
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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 9:10 AM
Subject: John Ellsworth Stevens and Elizabeth Decker, # 3 Van Pelt Ave
John E. (b. 6-14-1809; d. 12-19-1898)and Elizabeth Decker Stevens had 3 sons: James Mark (married Emma; child Mark & Clara b. @ 1873), David Decker (m: Laura LeGrange ), and John Decker Stevens.
Any info helpful
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Susan, these skeletons represent a collapsed pedigree. I have on in my
Egbert line. The Dutch kept very close together in their communities and
there were not a lot of marriage choices for their children. Most people
with Dutch ancestors who settled in NY and NJ have one, if not more. I like
to think of it a one less branch to crawl out on, or 'dos por uno' as we say
in LA. Two for the price of one !! Nancy Cutler
Someone with above eddress queried the list concerning John Ellsworth
STEVENS and Elizabeth DECKER.
You will be shocked ;-) to learn that I replied to this person (s/he
didn't sign the query) with a privately sent email which bounced! So if mmaon
is reading this, please contact me privately.
Cheers from a steamed Apple!
In a message dated 6/29/2001 9:31:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> And in any case, a caution to you. As many Staten Island researchers can
> you, when the record reports the father to be a DECKER and the mother as
> is named DECKER, that is certainly her married name, but may also be her
A good point Holly! Fortunately, I know that the "ones" with the same
married name as maiden name were another generation back!! It's always
interesting to receive the "error" message from the computer when entering
that line of the tree into the family tree software. Another funny
incident, I recently filled in a family tree fan chart and framed it...my
seven year old (who must analyze everything!) was looking at it and asking
questions....than my seven year old said..."but, I think something is wrong
here...the husband and wife have the same last name????" Oh, those
In a message dated 6/29/01 9:07:30 AM, TSRobida(a)aol.com wrote:
>scanned the document quickly, excitedly found the "Parents of
>Groom" and "Parents of Bride" .....the two of them put their mothers MARRIED
>names down not their maiden names......ughhh!!!
I feel your pain. But I'll trade certificates with you.
Imagine my devastation. I had discovered that my ggGparents, Sarah MURPHY and
the Prussian Apparition, Gotfried SHUTPELL, who married in Staten Island in
1868, had obtained their license in Manhattan! My heart pounded as I hit the
fast forward button of the reader. I hoped to learn his birthplace, if lucky,
and certainly the names of his parents (missing from his 1916 DC). As it
rolled up on the screen, I saw that he drew lines in place of his parents'
names! Who doesn't know the name of one's parents? A foundling, perhaps.
[Although I did get a bonus: birthplace "Stettin". But this proved ambiguous
as it named both a city and a district.] Death certificates while worth going
after must also be regarded as a less reliable source than other records.
And in any case, a caution to you. As many Staten Island researchers can tell
you, when the record reports the father to be a DECKER and the mother as well
is named DECKER, that is certainly her married name, but may also be her
maiden as well. More than one distant DECKER cousin married another DECKER
(and produced Double Deckers.)
Thanks to Margaret for all her typing and sharing of this early village death
I had to smile when I read this entry:
In a message dated 6/29/01 8:09:23 AM, margaretmullen(a)earthlink.net wrote:
>5699 Apr 11,1897, Cornelius Oâ Leary, 10m 14d
And they say that modern baby names are odd.
Perhaps Margaret's option key ran amok!
Hello fellow researchers. I just received the marriage certificate I've been
waiting (and waiting!!!) for from the NYC Municipal Archives. It's from 1905
and it's my G-Grandparents Certificate which some helpful people on this list
helped me find!! Quivering with excitement I tore open my
SAS-envelope...scanned the document quickly, excitedly found the "Parents of
Groom" and "Parents of Bride" .....the two of them put their mothers MARRIED
names down not their maiden names......ughhh!!! At least I finally have
proof of their marriages!!
Just thought I'd share my frustration!! :-)
Have been trying to locate any info. on my ancestors on Staten Island for awhile now. I noticed that there is an LDS film, I believe it is #510567 entitled "orders-publications" and is listed under probate. It is dated from 1856-97. Does anyone know if this refers to letters of administration for this period?
Any ideas appreciated.
Windsor Locks, CT
Melanie, you had emailed me about the Staten Islander marriages I'd posted. I cannot get thru to you at mmaon(a)email.msn.com or at mmaon(a)msn.com - please send your correct email.
List, I apologize!!!!!
Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at
> I just received this from another list -and the fee increase - to $27 is
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > I just thought I would spread the word that the fees for getting a
> > > a
> > > Social Security Application are going up drastically on 1 July 2001.
> > > you
> > > apply before then you will be charged the old amount which is now $7
> > > know the number, and $16.50 if you do not.
> > >
> > > The new fees are posted at:
> > > http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm
> > >
> > > It appears that the increases are more than substantial, they are
> > > This means that the time for procrastination is over.
> > >
> > > The address you need to send them to is:
> > > Social Security Administration
> > > Office of Central Records Operation
> > > Attention: Freedom of Information Workgroup
> > > PO Box 17772
> > > 300 N. Greene Street
> > > Baltimore, MD 21290
> > >
This is a partial list of a page from NYC death register, received from the NY Municipal Archives. The title on the page is 'Register of Deaths in the Village of Edgewater' The complete entry includes the deceased occupation, birthplace, father and mother name and birthplace, place of death, cause of death and place of burial.
Listed below is register number, date of death, name, age. Note that these deaths are not in strict date order, but are as listed on the register. Place of death for all is either Edgewater or Marine Hospital, both are in the Stapleton area of Staten Island, NY. Please email if you want more information on any of the entries
5680 Mar 30, 1897, Mary E. Leon, 70y, 5 m, 8 d
5681 Mar 31, 1897, Julia Quirk (?), 6y 10m
5681 ½ March 13, 1897, Frederick Janseen. 59y
5682 Mar 20, 1897, Matthew Walsh, 29y 5 m
5683 Mar 22, 1897, Joseph Glenn, 45y
5684 Mar 30, 1897, Levi T Lan*, 48y
5685 April 1, 1897, Alvah Cass, 47y
5686 April 1, 1897 Charles W Schneider, 55y 11 m
5687 April 2, 1897, Carrrie Bosch, 15y
5688 April 2, 1897, Lois Evertt Stea**no, 7m 4 d
5689 April 2, 1897, Leo Peperman, 1 y, 3m
5690 Apr 2, 1897, Thomas Martin, 49y
5691 Apr 5, 1897, Julia Cella, 28 y
5692 Apr 5, 1897, James H Mullen, 60y
5693 Apr 5, 1897, Joseph Wallace, 35y
5694 Apr 6, 1897, Mary Ann Downs, 77y
5695 Apr 7, 1897, Elizabeth McDonald, 18d
5896 Apr 8, 1897, Charlotte Netyne, 72y 1 m 12 d
5697 Apr 9, 1897, Marie E Funke,60y
5698 Apr 10, 1897 Hugo Mathieson, 53y
5699 Apr 11,1897, Cornelius O'Leary, 10m 14d
5700 April 11, 1897, Mary Muhan, 1d
5701 Apr 11, 1897, --- Bryant, 1d
5702 Apr 13, 1897, Charles Collier, 71y
5703 Apr 14, 1897, Adelhide Ehrmann, 25y
5704 Apr 17, 1897, Frederick Stable, 27y
5705 Apr 18, 1897, Rau** P**gnini, 1y 3m
5706 Apr 20, 1897, Jerimiah Tooking, 47y
5707 Apr22, 1897, Cupitt Marie Flo**er, 5y 1m
5708 Apr 24, 1897, Henry Nollen, 67y
5709 Apr 13, 1897, Erma(?) Kleide* 22y 11m
5710 Apr 18, 1897, Thomas Cahill, 50y
5711Apr 20, 1897, Bertha Bredlinger(?), 21y 11m
5712 apr24, 1897, Bruno Brach, 3y ?m
5713 Apr 23, 1897 H*** Mally,32y
5714 Apr 2, 1897, K**y*** Mullin, 72y
Hi Donna -
The GERMANS TO AMERICA series of books are TERRIFIC for finding the ship
for your German ancestors. There was one volume published per year and the
set (I think) dates back to the records of Germans emigrating FROM ALL
PARTS OF GERMANY beginning in the 1850's. I don't know how far along these
volumes are right now but they must have already published the volumes that
go far beyond 1900!
My gr.grandfather's Naturalization papers said that he had arrived in this
country from Bavaria in AUGUST 1881. I looked for YEARS for an immigration
record for him with NO success at all. Then I found a marriage record for
his daughter around the turn of the century in New York City that said that
she had been born in Bavaria in MARCH 1882! I knew that something was not
right - my gr.grandfather couldn't have been in the US in AUGUST 1881 if
his daughter had been born in Bavaria in MARCH 1882....The information on
the Naturalization papers was wrong.
Right around this time also, the GERMANS TO AMERICA Series published their
volume for 1882 - and when I checked the Index in the back of that volume
for my gr.grandfather's surname - lo and behold there was the entire
family!....Each volume is arranged so that you can look at an alphabetical
index of surnames at the back of the volume - and the reference next to
each surname gives you a page number in that volume...When you turn to this
page, the passenger list is given with the name of the person (and family
members) that was listed in the index. Not only does each volume give the
name of the immigrant (and family members), but it gives the name of the
ship, the ports of departure and arrival, and the month and year when the
ship docked in this country.
Most large libraries should have this collection of books in their
genealogy section.....Find this source and check the volume for the year
that interests you.
Best Wishes -
Dot (TAVERNER) Doherty <DDoherty(a)dacor.net>
Bowling Green, Ohio (formerly from New Dorp - Staten Island)
Researching the following surnames in Bavaria (GERMANY):
BUCHS (BUCH, BUECH)
Other surnames by marriage
** (ALL in the locality of OBERBACH, UNTERFRANKEN (BAVARIA) **
While culling the ADVANCE for DECKER items, I found these of possible
interest to others. (I noted what I give and no more. If you want more,
you'll have to go get it yourself, but at least you will have the publication
Sat 19 Mar 1927
front page article about Harry F BLAKE, hero
Thur 24 Mar 1927
death notice: PRALL, Hannah A widow of Cornelius
d Wed 23 Mar at Cottskill, NY; to be buried New Springville
obit: died at Kingston NY/ son: Lloyd D PRALL
Sat 26 Mar 1927
death notice: Florence D BLAKE in 63rd y
on 25 Mar, Bergenfield Cem, NJ
Fri 1 Apr 1927
obit: Louis O SEAWOOD, 62 Parcell St
Thurs am in Elmhurst, LI
survived by widow, dau and sister, Edith GILSHENAN of SI
Born & raised on SI as were parents and grandparents
Mon 11 Apr 1927
front page article and photo
Mrs Ann Marie VAN NAME, 100 years old
mother was Sarah EGBERT
father: Henry MILLER
Hope these help someone!
These are the folks buried in the Henry H Butler plot, Sect C, lot 107
This is a combination of what we know about the family, and what was
in the plot info from Moravian. They were in Richmond in 1860-- but
in Brooklyn in 1870 and 1880. And Simeon & Ella (BROWN) Butler were
in Brooklyn in 1943.
Henry H. Butler buried Oct 5, 1887 [prob b. abt 1815]
his wife Eliza J. (BOLSTER) BUTLER d. Thu April 15, 1920 ae 94y 3m
15d. [calc birth; Feb 1, 1826]
Their Children buried here;
George W. Butler d. Wed., Feb 7, 1934 ae 84y, 10 m., 11d [calc birth;
Apr 27, 1851]
Emily B (BUTLER) BRAGAW [printout] d. Sat Aug 21, 1920 ae63 [calc
Alexander C. BRAGAW d. Sat. May 10, 1913 ae 51y 4m 12 d. [calc age Jan
Inf. Son of Emily B & Alexander BRAGAW; buried between the time
Fannie Butler was buried and 1887. [Emily was still at home in 1880,
Simeon A. Butler d. Jun 19 1943 in Brooklyn ae 84y 7m 16d
his wife Ella (BROWN) Butler d. Sat., Sep 19, 1959 ae94
Fannie Butler, child- buried before 1887. [first on burial list]
Probably the dau of Henry H & Eliza b. abt1866.
Was on 1870 census in Brooklyn, but not on 1880 census.
Milton J Butler son of Simeon and Ella d. Tue Aug 4, 1953 ae59
[prob his 2nd wife]
Jean S. Butler d. Jan 13, 1946 ae 51y 10m 29d [calc birth Feb 15 1894
And what would a cemetery plot be without some mystery?<g>
Nellie B. Prescott. She was one of the 2 interment orders we got;
Nellie B. Prescott b. Aug 1868 d. Oct 13, 1896 2PM.
Died Port Richmond at the S. R. Smith Infimary of internal hemmorhage.
Undertaker, John Steers
Note; "Where Mrs Prier was removed from." [jje note; This Mrs. PRIER
is likely Ella (Butler) Prier, dau of Henry H. BUTLER m. George H.
Prier. Ella died 1888 - her name & birth/death info is inscribed on
the stone in the PRIER plot Sect G, lot 308.]
Funeral services at her residence on Thursday Eve at 6:30;
Interment Fri Oct 16, at 3PM
Nellie PRESCOTT also has a stone noted on the plot map. There might
be more info there.
Minnie B. Bogert buried Nov 14, 1900. [no further info-- don't know
who she is]
[If my frustration shows through here-- please don't interpret it as
criticism of the folks at Moravian. They are a business, and have to
do what they have to do. This post is intended as information for
those who might want something from Moravian-- and a plea to see if
there is now a better way of getting it.]
I'll post the info from the plot separately-- but here's a general
report on my 'Moravian Cemetery record experiences'.
About 2 weeks ago I called the Moravian Cemetery to see if they had a
plot for Simeon Butler. I had gotten info from them before [4-5
years ago] and was very impressed with their speed, helpfulness, and
the fact that they accepted donations for their labor.
So I was a little taken back when I was told "Yes, Simeon is here. . .
It is $50 for a complete genealogy of the plot."
I was taken aback a bit-- but hey, I'd benefitted from their earlier
generosity, and that one was a valuable package full of clues, so I
thought I'd go for it.
Last time it took 3 days-- this time, 2 weeks. But that wasn't the
The 'complete genealogy' turns out to be just what I got last time.
Plot map, interment list, and interment records.
Inventory from the last package;
George H. PRIER plot Sec. G lot 308
Burial List; 9 people 1895-1988
8 interment records--
Inventory from this one;
Henry H. Butler Plot; Section C Lot 107
Moravian Cemetery map with the plot clearly marked;
Burial list; 13 people from bef1887 to1959
2 interment records
7 Printouts from a database [no place of death- funeral home- cause of
death- address- or who ordered the burial. All things that are
usually on the interment records]
'No further info' on 3 people on the burial list
And no obits.
So-- There was good info there, but I'm left a little disappointed.
[possibly just because I was spoiled last time around-- is either
packet typical for what other folks have gotten?]
The first thing I'd like to do is see if someone could photograph the
several stones noted on the plot map. They may hold further clues.
Good digital photos are fine-- or even instamatic if someone happens
to be there.
I have photos of the PRIER plot-- and note that 2 of the surnames are
spelled differently than the records have them; a first name is
recorded on the stone as Maria, not Mary; and my missing Ella Butler
PRIER is noted on a stone there. [and probably is the subject of a
note on one of the interment records from the Henry Butler plot which
notes in 1896 the 'moving of Mrs. Prier'-- but she is on neither
Next-- does anyone know if the old records are still there, or is
Moravian destroying the paper records as they enter the data?
[I have some other possibles that I may be asking Moravian about-- but
I'd rather pay a researcher if they can look at the original interment