I also note that the "History of Old Kinderhook" states that "The very old
Heermance-Farrar-Schnapper house was certainly the parsonage for many years;
and the church owned all of the land from Maiden Lane up to and including
the present bank corner...."
The "Hermans" house on the 1873 Atlas is within that area.
On 5/23/09 2:06 PM, "Wendy McLean" <wwmclean(a)comcast.net> wrote:
I have consulted my 1873 Atlas of Columbia County. I can see a house
Hudson Street near the intersection with Maiden Lane which is labeled as
"Mrs. Hermans". I wonder if this was the home of Catherine Heermance
mentioned as being a "later" occupant. It is opposite from Silvester Lane.
I cannot locate a Methodist Church on the map.
On the other hand, my "History of Columbia County" describes the location of
the first church as "It stood very near the present residence of Mrs. John
H. Reynolds". That would put the church a bit south of the "Hermans"
I also note that there are two rectorys shown on the map and neither one is
on the same property as the affiliated church. In this case, the house
apparently existed before the church had a full-time pastor and the location
of the church moved twice so it is entirely likely that the parsonage was
not immediately adjacent to the church.
On 5/23/09 11:24 AM, "smulvey" <smulvey(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Cliff,
> You are welcome. I suppose the only way to find out for sure exactly where
> the Schnapper home was located is to look at the deeds or perhaps a
> directory for 1911 to 1914 when Henry Schnapper and his widow were living in
> the home.
> It is an interesting bit of history and you peaked my interest.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere(a)nycap.rr.com>
> To: <nycolumb(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Kinderhook in French and Indian Wars
>> Thank you very much for taking the time to put together the additional
>> information about the fort.
>> I went to a service at the Kinderhook Reformed Church last summer, so I
>> know the location of the current structure, but I wasn't sure where the
>> church might have been in 1755. I would assume that a parsonage would
>> be on the same property as the church. However, I knew the present
>> structure was built later than 1755. I didn't know if the current
>> structure was at the same location as the 1755 structure. Not knowing
>> the location of the Schnapper house, that reference was not immediately
>> From the church's website:
>> "The first Reformed Church in Kinderhook was built in 1677 and the
>> second in 1717. The third church was built in 1814 at the site of the
>> present church and was badly damaged by fire in1867. It was rebuilt in
>> 1869, where it stands today at its present location on the corner of
>> Church and Broad Streets in Kinderhook, N.Y."
>> From this we can see that the 1755 church was not at the same location
>> as the present edifice. The Schnapper reference is therefore
>> important. Your quote about it is very interesting, but does not
>> clearly locate the house.
>> That forced me to look for a 67-page booklet I had bought at the church
>> last summer, "The Two Hundred Fiftieth Anniversary of the Kinderhook
>> Reformed Church, Kinderhook, New York, 1712-1962".
>> It locates the 1677 building at the corner of Hudson St. and Maiden Lane
>> "very nearly opposite the Methodist Church". The church is apparently
>> no longer there (Google Maps doesn't show it). The 1717 structure
>> stood on Hudson Street, but was on the opposite side of the thoroughfare
>> and located on land later part of the Earle Reynolds property" "not
>> from the southeast corner of the property owned by Charles W. Edwards."
>> That is the best that I can do right now for the location of the fort.
>> It was probably on Hudson St. beside the church.
>> Additional information: The 1677 structure has been described as a
>> mission outpost of the Reformed Church at Albany. Albany's early
>> records mention marriages at Kinderhook. The second Kinderhook church
>> structure was built in 1717, and the first baptism was recorded in
>> 1718. They didn't get a resident pastor until 1727. He was Johannes
>> Van Driessen, brother of the pastor at Albany Reformed.
>> Susan, I appreciate the research you did to help answer my question.
>> smulvey wrote:
>>> Hi Cliff,
>>> You neglected for finish the sentence in brackets:
>>> The present Schnapper house, at one time the parsonage of the Dutch
>>> was within the stockade.
>>> In the book "Columbia County at the End of the Century", published
>>> edited under the auspices of the Hudson Gazette, The Record Printing and
>>> Publishing Co., Hudson, New York, 1900, page 29:
>>> "According to the writings of Hon. H. C. Van Schaick (Manlius, N. Y.),
>>> part of an old Dutch parsonage at Kinderhook was formerly a portion of a
>>> fort, enclosed with a stockade, while in some of the old early Dutch
>>> were portholes in the gables, from which the inmates could fire upon their
>>> Also in the book A History of Old Kinderhook on page 353:
>>> " The late H. C. Van Schaack is our authority for the statement that in
>>> Indian war-times the present widow Schnapper [my note: widow of Henry
>>> Schnapper] place was a stockaded fort to which in times of alarm the women
>>> were wont to flee, the men being at work in the fields far away. Beyond
>>> this we know nothing of its early story. It was for many years the first
>>> known parsonage of the church. It was thus occupied by the Rev. Jacob
>>> Sickles when he retired in 1835. The principal subsequent owners have
>>> 1836, J. P. Beekman; 1840, Edgar Laing; and later Catharine E. Heermance;
>>> Mrs. Dollie Farrar; Mrs. (Bohannan) Farrar; 1911, H. Schnapper."
>>> There is a picture between pages 352 & 353 entitled "The Old House
>>> William Street" which I believe to be the home being written about.
>>> That is about all I could find concerning this fort. Cliff, if you would
>>> like the photo of the home, I'll scan it and email it to you. I just
>>> at Google books and they also have the photo.
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