Thanks Peter for piquing my interest again in the Hunsley/ Ginnever connection.
I’ve spent the last few hours researching Martha Elizabeth Hunsley (nee Ginnever) and
found her living at 4 Barnby Road, Newark in the 1901 and 1911 census. Ada was living at
4 Barnby Road in the 40’s and 50’s and raised my father there after his mother died.
That’s too much of a coincidence :)
So, I’m wondering now if Martha was the mother or the aunt, but given that I have Ada’s
original birth certificate showing Sarah Buttery as the mother, I’m guessing Martha’s
brother George was Ada’s father and after he’d done a runner to Liverpool and Sarah died,
that Martha took her in as her own.
Wow- 25 years and finally a solid breakthrough!
On Mar 12, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Jacqui Frohman via NOTTSGEN
Thank you for taking the time to try and help me sort through this.
My family tree for Ada Ginnever is the Clarke Family Tree on Ancestry - I’d also seen the
Huntley/Hunsley connection and had corresponded for a while with someone researching the
Hunsley tree - there is a tenuous link inasmuch as Martha and Edward Hunsley (and their 8
children) lived at 173 Dame Agnes Street in the 1891 census. In 1891 my Ada is already
married to John Thomas Clarke and they are living across the street at 172 Dame Agnes
Street. John Thomas Clarke is a Green grocer. (On their marriage certificate, Ada’s
father, Frank Ginniver is listed as a Grocer - so I was hoping that was the reason they
were living there). Maybe that’s how Ada and John Thomas met - as neighbors on Dame Agnes
Street. However, on Ada and John Thomas’ marriage certificate 7 years earlier in 1884,
they are both listed as living in Beaconsfield Terrace in Nottingham.
Would it have been ok though to call yourself Ada Ginniver on the 1871 census and then
Ada Hunsley on the 1881 census but call yourself Ada Ginniver on your 1884 marriage
Edward Hunsley seems to have been a bit of a cad, having at least two families around the
town, so it could be him :)
George Ginniver (Martha’s brother) moved to Liverpool in the late 1860’s and when he
married up there a few years later he was a Bachelor on his marriage cert - which let me
to believe that he hadn’t been married when he was living in Nottingham.
Maybe Martha was just the aunt, and that Sarah Buttery gave birth to Ada illegitimately,
fathered by George? I have found a Sarah Buttery on the 1871 census but then nothing after
that. Maybe by the time of the 1881 census, Sarah had died and Ada had moved in with the
Hunsley/Huntleys on Dame Agnes St. and so she called herself Ada Hunsley??
How on earth would I prove it though?
The Dame Agnes street really is a coincidence and what is it they say about coincidences
Thanks again for piquing my interest in the Hunsley/Dame Agnes link….I can see I’m going
to lose hours or even days over this one again :)
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Peter Booth <pbo08596(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> You are not the only one confused by this family.
> There are 6 public trees on Ancestry. 3 suggest George Ginnever (vars) and Sarah
Buttery, 2 don't know, and one suggests that
> Ada's mother is George's sister Martha..
> I presume you have Ada's birth & marriage certificate. I found the birth on
FreeBMD which has no extra detail, and I also found a
> baptism on FreeREG that gives parents as George and Sarah. But I can't find a
marriage for them. And i have no inkling of Frank Ginnever.
> One of the trees give George's parents as Charles Ginnever (1790-1872) and Hannah
Wigley (1799 - )
> There children are Frances 1830, Charles 1832, Mary 1834, Hannah 1836, Martha 1838
and George 1841
> The interesting thing is that in 1881, an Ada Huntley 15 is listed as the daughter of
Martha who didn't marry Edward Huntley until 1871.
> Was Martha perhaps the birth mother but for whatever reason George and Sarah stood as
the parents. Or is the 1881 census relationship
> incorrect? I'd need to see George & Sarah in census records, if & when
they married, and when they died.
> Peter in Sydney
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> To: "nottsgen(a)rootsweb.com" <nottsgen(a)rootsweb.com>
> Cc: "Jacqui Frohman" <frohmanj1(a)yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 10 Mar, 2018 At 2:31 AM
> Subject: [NTT] Buttery/Ginnever/Clarke
> Taking a leaf from Nivard’s book…I thought I too would post who I’m researching/where
> I’m researching Clark(e) in the Basford area of Nottingham - I’ve gone back to the
early 1800’s fairly completely, however, I’m also looking to solve my 25 year old brick
wall - the one which started my research all those years ago:
> My g-g-grandmother was Ada Clarke (nee Ginnever) she was born in Snenton in 1864 and
married my g-g-grandfather John Thomas Clarke in 1884 in Basford.
> On Ada’s birth certificate her mother is shown as Sarah Ginnever formerly Buttery and
her father as George Ginnever (Whitesmith).
> On Ada’s marriage cert her father is shown a Frank Ginnever (Grocer).
> On the 1871 census Ada Giniver is a Scholar as a visitor in the house of George
Hancock (I’ve researched the family that she’s visiting but that’s not led me anywhere) 10
Northumberland St. I cannot find any Ginnever/Ginniver family in the 1871 census that
would fit but I do have a Sarah Buttery (Widow) lodging at 2 York Street with an Eliza
Asher (Head). I can find no record of a marriage between Sarah Buttery and George/Frank
Ginnever. I can find no record of the family (Buttery or Ginnever) in the 1881 census.
I’m thinking that Sarah and George/Frank were never married. However, it’s also
interesting that Ada’s husband was a grocer on the 1891 census - so maybe there’s a link
there between father and son-in-law??
> I’ll keep plugging on…but if anyone has any suggestions, I’d be happy to hear them.
> Jacqueline Frohman (Clarke)
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