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For those who don't know, the word sucker was/is used in Nottingham by
children to refer to an ice-lolly. The action-describing equivalent to an
onomatopoeic word. Just shows how logical kids are.
I think that this had better be my last word on this subject. Having found 2
lines in my tree emanating from South Staffordshire, I will have to brush up
on my Black Country accent in readiness for visiting Dudley Archives.
June 8th - 1919 - June 12th 1922
Lois Eva Wells
Francis John Barton
Joan Mary Newton
Henry Thomas Dunn
Clara Alfreda Wright
Arthur Leonard Taylor
Doreen Megan Cox
Bernard Frederick Baines
Albert Westcott Radford
Gladys Ann Muntele
John Henry Healey
Dorren Jeff & Flinders
Frances Mary Ogeden Swingler
Stella Florence Balderton
Irene Amy Smith
Doreen Elsie Healey
Frank Nathaniel Baines
Rosalie Annie Coverley
John Richard Coverley
Doris Ivy Blackwell
Please ask for full details
March 9th 1957 - October 18th 1958
Dorothy May Allesbrook
Frederick Bristow Podham
Mabel Agnes Gillatt
James Henry Dunthorne
John William Bentley
John Owen Shields
John William Cooper
Ethel Harriett Walton
Annie Elizabeth Horton
Mary Elizabeth Froggatt
John Charles Brockler
Jeffrey Kenneth Kerry
Paul Antony Spink
Edwin Donald Evans
William Lyle Harwood
Please ask for full details
July 18th 1913 - February 24th 1914
Batey - Parrott
Towlson = Reade
Cooke = Lynch
Chettle = Rosenblum
Spencer = Ruston
Poole = Spray
Rollinson = Maltby
Richardson = Gregory
Dawes = Burrows
Harrison = Knight
Wilkins = Clements
Brown = Grice
Lymbery = Townsend
Allen = Gamble
Parker = Norcup
Sargeant = Chatwin
Shaw = Wilson
Barber = Franks
Rossell = Carr
Walker = Carl
Forest = Holland
Lenten = Perival
Upton = Leafe
Starr = Cooper
Let me know if you want the details
End of Register - Phew!
Another marriage register coming to a computer near you, tomorrow!
On 31 Jul 2007, at 8:49, Paul Nix, Multimedia Specialist wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> wrong way round? Coal minning in the Nottingham area
> the 11c so it's more likly that miners from nottingham migating north
> took their words we-um.
> The term Rammel for rubish has it's roots in Nottingham's
> minning trade. In July 15th, 1633 the constable found: "John
> Parsons for Annoyeinge Byard Lane with Rammell And filth" and he was
> fined 2 shillings and 3 pence. Records of the Borough of Nottingham
> Volume V 1625 - 1702.
Yes, Nottingham mining certainly started very early, but
neverthless in the 19th century many miners (and others) moved
from the West Midlands to Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire.
Whether any moved north as well from either place I'm not sure
(Nottingham is north-east of West Midlands/Black Country, not
south of it as you imply).
Jim Fisher in Luton, Beds., UK.
http://www.jimella.nildram.co.uk/geneal.htm - Fam hist pages
I use CDs produced by Archive CD Books for my research and to assist fellow researchers
I have been reading with amusement of everyone's comments on slang -
Nottinghamshire style. Years ago, for a humanities class, I wrote a paper on
American Slang, which is probably just as colorful as all those words that
I've been reading on this list. I know that there is a Black Country (I
think that is what it is) website where one can hear the dialect - I think
it may have been mentioned on this list some years ago. I am sure that it
can still be found if you do a search for it on google or another search
As for books, just incase anyone is interested in American Slang and where
it came from, I can recommend J.L. Dillard's book, "American Talk, Where Our
Words Came From." I am sure, to no one's surprise, slang from England was
imported but so was Dutch, French and even many Native American words.
Diallard says that "Jargon, ...., is the most important factor that
distinguishes American English from British..."
Language can be so much fun!!
"You know how in US GENWEB they have a Tombstone Project where people have
gone to different Cemeteries to take photos to share and anything else on
the tombstone? I would like to see something like that for our English
buried ancestors as well. Especially of course Staffordshire, Leistershire,
etc. What do the rest of you think?"
A great idea.
If it's of interest to anyone, there is one for N E Lincs (Great Grimsby
Family History group)at:
> Byard Lane with Rammell And filth" and he was fined 2 shillings and 3
ay up Paul . ya wont thrashin sayin stuff like that
im on the borders. end of our place is in nottinghamshire but technically Im
in derbyshire . but the dialect is the same , in fact, much to my daughters
( she's gon a bit up market ) i still speak dialect, so owt you wont to
in fact ,,,,,do you know its the only dialect that can discribe the sex of
males and females just by using 2 lettters of the alphabet,
A's over there
O's over here
the locals will understand (Smile)
Maureen BYARD Ill give you Rammel !!!!!
I only started this theme because I had noticed the number of Black Country
migrants in Nottingham in the late 1800's, and it has mushroomed into chats
about dialect words.
Pat hit an interesting note on the different words still used for a bread
roll. In Nottingham it has always been a cob, but in Sheffield it is a bread
cake; in Barnsley (not that far from Sheffield) it's a teacake - now we
would think a teacake was a sweet roll with currants. In Coventry, and into
Nuneaton and Hinckley, it's a batch; and in Manchester, it's a barm - again,
to me from Nottingham, a barm loaf is a sweet loaf with currants. The
southerners call it a bap, and with the spread of supermarkets, that's now
become the national word.
On a different note, I can still remember the strange looks I got as a child
at an ice cream van, a long way from Nottingham, when I asked for a sucker!
I can remember 'I'll knock you into the middle of next week' being said when
I was a child - in London!
However, having married a Suffolk bor' thirty six years ago, and now
fluent-ish in Suffolk, I am now larnin about putting a bit of cheese or ham
into a Cob (not a bread roll).
Our daughter married a lad from Thurgarton and they now live in Nottingham -
and ... they tempted our son away to Nottingham too. He is now living and
working in Nottingham!
Researching Selby and Lambert in Nottingham
From: "Sam Marriott" <madking_1(a)yahoo.com>
> Then there's the good ol' - 'I'll knock you into next week' if you were
> really bad. LOL!
Suffolk accent and dialect
The Mardler's Companion
A dictionary of East Anglian Dialect
by Robert Malster
pub Malthouse Press, Suffolk 1999
Price then GBP 10.50 hardback
ISBN 0 9522355 7 9
dew thet is a whully good read gal!
Every time I find an ancestor - I have to find two more !
Lots of Suffolk family history information at
From: "Evelyn Brown" <balsmuir(a)ispnet.ca>
>I love reading all this!
> Are there any books written about different dialects or slang, anyone
> My Mum uses the term cripes ( I think that's how it's spelt), haven't
> anyone in Canada use it. It might have come from her parents from the
> or Suffolk area or wherever their families came from before that.
I love this site http://www.whoohoo.co.uk/ for different local dialects.
It doesn't have too many...no Nottingham :( & I see nothing has been added
in over 2 years that I last visited.
I had some Census papers & the one family name seems to have many spellings,
so while my Suffolk relatives are here I had the son say the name to hear
what it sounded like to my ears. I'm sure that's one reason spellings would
I only have one book so far with dialect/slang - Woddee Sigh, Tosh by John
I'd love to find more from the Counties where my families came from.
Thank you to everyone who gave different book titles & websites!!!!
Now a BAP COB and BARN, were all new to me when I moved up here from the
SOUTH four years ago.
we Southerners:>) (an ESSEX old GIRL) call them Bread rolls in OUR
In Mansfield we go to" Vicar Water "park and the warden calls water WAAATTTER
I love to hear him speak, I am often asked to repeat what I say UP HERE .
Margaret NOTTS UK
and after google
Scollins Richard, Titford John:
Ey Up Mi Duck!
Dialect Of Derbyshire And The East Midlands
Countryside Books (UK), 2000
Paperback, 128 pages
Size: 210x150 mm
My Nana (Bulwell born Mansfield raised) and my Mum and myself talk about
mithering or chuntering on - when someone mutters under there breath or has
a big moan session. " Nowt so queer as folks " - an expression explaining
how some people behave ( or just are?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "stan bayne" <abycat(a)xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: [NTT] Slang or Dialect?
> My mother was born and bred in Skegby (I was born in Cheshire) and passed
> on to me the expressions - nesh, for people who always feel cold - clarty,
> for thick and muddy - waint, for won't. I still use those terms and so
> does my daughter who is NZ born.
> New Zealand
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What an interesting discussion this has been. Brought back many memories of my childhood. Just thought I would throw in my favourite. What about "Gerrout or I'll bat your tab". Translation "Clear off/get out or I will clip you round the ears. Another one was the use of "lugholes" for ears. Happy days
J.Wilkinson (Meadows born and bred)
I love reading all this!
Are there any books written about different dialects or slang, anyone knows
My Mum uses the term cripes ( I think that's how it's spelt), haven't heard
anyone in Canada use it. It might have come from her parents from the Essex
or Suffolk area or wherever their families came from before that.