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If, as Andrew suggests, your ancestor was involved with the travelling
fairs, you may find a reference him on their website:
Thegalloper . com @ http://www.thegalloper.com/
John Gough, Cornwall, UK.
Researching : HALL; CARNELLY.
Really Useful Sources List at http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm
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From: "ann jackson" <annjack(a)dodo.com.au>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: [Notts] Barefist fighter
> Hi List
> Does anyone know anything about barefist fighting in Notttingham? I know
it was the earlier form of boxing. According to a relative my Great
Grandfather or G.G. Grandfather know as Barefist Green was a champion. If
this is correct it would either be Walter Green born 1846 Selston Notts. or
his father Benjamin born 1814. Benjamin married Ann Lievers in Selston
> Thank you Ann in Australia where it is starting to cool down.
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The whole Mellors family seems to have moved back and forth over the border between Derbyshire & Notts and not only that, my Thomas MELLORS born 1839 at Upper Langwith married 3 times and all 3 were called Sarah. He had a son Thomas with each Sarah - 11 children in all, some born in Norton Cuckney and some in Bolsover or Whitwell. Luckily my 2 times Great-Grandfather William was his last born child, born at Scarcliffe and he married Mary WARNER/WORNER/WARRINER at Bolsover in 1833. Mary lived to be 99. Does anyone else have this family in their tree if so please contact me - it is an ever-lasting conundrum.
Rita in Germany
He grew up just down the road from Hucknall and is buried in the church yard
in St. Mary Magdalene Churchyard. His headstone is fenced in and it is said
that at one time visitors to his grave in the latter part of the 19th century
outnumbered those of visitors to the great poet, Lord Byron, who is also
buried at St. Mary Magdalene.
Dorothy Peters Tainter
My Great Uncle was "Big Ben" Caunt. He was the one time bare - knuckled
Champion of England. I have read many articles about Great Uncle Ben. Stories
abound that "Big Ben" The clock in London was called so because of the sound,
supposedly not any softer than Ben's voice when he bellowed, 'time gentlemen' at
the close of the hours for serving drinks at his Inn, the Coach and Horses
on St. Martin's Lane. Of course there are many who say and probably rightly
so, that 'Big Ben' the clock was thus called for a Sir Benjamin Hall, a quite
rotund man who was the commissioner of works, not unlike the bell itself.
However, family pride makes me wish to believe it was called after 'our' Ben
David Fell has a paper back book available through Amazon.com, that I
recently purchased for less than 10 pounds. He of course, tells about many of
Ben's most important fights, including almost all of them against the men you
named. It describes in detail the 35 rounds he fought against Nick Ward to
become the Champion of England! This book has many copies of lithographs of the
boxers of the day.
I have recently been making an attempt to have Ben Caunt made an inductee in
the International Boxing Hall of Fames. Many of his peers are listed there. I
include a link
to the International Hall of Fame in case you would like to see the pioneers
that have been enshrined there.
_IBHOF / Roster of Inductees_ (http://www.ibhof.com/ibhfrost.htm)
Hope this information is of use to you or somewhat interesting.
Dorothy Peters Tainter
Does anyone know anything about barefist fighting in Notttingham? I know it was the earlier form of boxing. According to a relative my Great Grandfather or G.G. Grandfather know as Barefist Green was a champion. If this is correct it would either be Walter Green born 1846 Selston Notts. or his father Benjamin born 1814. Benjamin married Ann Lievers in Selston 26/8/1833
Thank you Ann in Australia where it is starting to cool down.
Hi Readers. I'm after any information on William MORLEY of Ratcliffe on Trent born about 1710. I've tried all the usual sites to no avail.I'm hoping some one out there knows another site. Many Thanks Terry
Thought this might be interesting. A snippet from an internet site.
Bare-knuckle fighting was ever popular during the free-wheeling days of the
late 18th to mid 19th centuries and the only rules that governed these
prize-fights had been drawn up in 1743 by a Thames waterman called Jack
Broughton. These remained the only written rules for over a century. They
stated that a round lasted for no set length of time, but ended when a
fighter was knocked down or thrown to the ground by wrestling. Once floored,
the fallen fighter had thirty seconds to come up to the 'scratch,' a marker
set in the centre of the ring. During the bout, no fighter was allowed to
take a respite, and would be instantly disqualified if he 'fell without
taking a blow.' These contests became a war of attrition, often developing
into a form of grappling match as the combatants became bruised and tired.
One such English prize-fighter was Tom Cribb. Born in Bitton,
Gloucestershire, Cribb travelled to London at the age of thirteen and
pursued various occupations, including those of sailor and coal-merchant,
before he finally established himself as a pugilist in 1805 by flooring the
black American fighter Bill Richmond in the 76th round. Following the fight,
and christened the 'Black Diamond' by his new-found supporters (a reference
to his days as a coal-merchant), Cribb found himself a sponsor and trainer
in the guise of Robert Barclay-Allardice (1779-1854), a Scottish soldier and
sportsman, most celebrated for walking 1000 miles in 1000 consecutive hours
at Newmarket in 1809. Through his associations with Captain Barclay, Cribb
secured an opportunity to fight for the bare-knuckles championship of
all-England against Jem Belcher whom he defeated twice, in 1807 and 1809.
Cribb's most famous fights however, were against another black American, Tom
Molineaux from Virginia. In the first of these encounters in 1810, Cribb's
victory was disputed and they agreed to fight again the following year. The
return bout was set for the 28th September 1811 at Thistleton Gap, a spot
some six miles north west of the Ram Jam Inn on Sewstern Lane and on the eve
of the fight both warriors spent the night in their own camps. Cribb stayed
at the Black Bull on Witham Common, whilst Molineaux rested at the New Inn
at Greetham, Leicestershire. History records that Molineaux consumed a
chicken, a large apple pie and seven pints of porter before the fight, which
ended in round eleven when his jaw was broken in two places following a
sharp left by Cribb.
Cribb retired from the ring undefeated, and in 1828 became landlord of the
Union Arms, Panton Street, London SW1. In 1960 this very same house was
renamed the Tom Cribb in honour of its former owner.
Another famous bare-knuckle fighter who is celebrated by not only having a
public house named after him in Sneinton, Nottingham, but also a town in
Australia, was William Abednego Thompson (1811-1880), better known as
Bendigo was among the last of the great prize-fighters and was perhaps, the
champion of all. His fans were many, and included such respected members of
society as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who even penned a verse to the fighter
Bendigo's upbringing, like that of many of the fighters of the period, had
not been easy. At the age of fifteen, following the death of his father, he
was sent to the Nottingham Workhouse. Though he didn't remain there long, he
was to experience the terrible harshness of life in poverty, vowing never to
return. Having tried his hand at oyster selling on the streets of the city
he took up a trade as an iron turner, thus developing his muscular physique.
But prize-fighting was to become Bendigo's main occupation and by the age of
21 he had successfully defeated a number of local men.
Bendigo was perhaps a latter day equivalent of Muhammad Ali, loving to taunt
his opponents as they fought by making faces at them or composing impromptu
rhymes at their expense. Such asides made him a crowd pleaser and his
contests were often witnessed by upwards of 15,000 spectators.
In February 1839 he met the fearsome 'Deaf' James Burke in a fight for the
championship of all-England at Heather in Leicestershire. Within
half-an-hour Burke was well-beaten. In a fit of temper he resorted to
head-butting his much younger 'southpaw' challenger - thus losing the
contest by being disqualified for foul-play.
Bendigo's last fight was on the 5th June 1850, against a young Redditch man
called Tom Paddock. A fight that the champion was to win in the 49th round
following a foul by his opponent. Up until that point though the fight had
been too close to call and Bendigo, now in his fortieth year, decided to
quit the ring. During his later years he became a Methodist preacher and
though illiterate he had his own way of delivering a sermon. Adopting a
boxer's stance he would point to the hard-earned trophies by his side and
address his audience with the following words: 'See them belts, see them
cups, I used to fight for those. But now I fight for Christ.'
its been a while since I posted the names of the
families I am researching so here they are:
ELLIS in Nottingham and London
CHEETHAM in Nottingham, particularly the Lenton and Dunkirk areas
CHAPLIN in Nottingham and London
BROWN in Nottingham and Mansfield pre World War 2
MOSELY and variations in Nottingham
TOWLE in Nottingham
Paul in Bulwell
Please visit my website for ex-residents of the old Meadows area of
Nottingham at www.theoldmeadows.co.uk
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As the list is so quiet, could I ask SKS to look-up the following marriages
William DA(Y)KIN = Betsy ???? sometime after 1881 and before 1891.
Hannah DAYKIN = ?????? March Qtr 1893 Basford District.
George Henry DAYKIN = Rebecca Pridmore Jun Qtr 1894 Basford District
Joseph DAYKIN = Emma WEBSTER Jun Qtr 1896 Basford District
Do marriage records in Walesby include father's names in 1814?
I am trying to trace Solomon JONES [GGG Grandfathers] Family. A Mansfield
Christening record of 1817 fits his age, birth place and fathers name making
his mother Elizabeth but no maiden name listed.
The only marriage record appears to be George Jones and Elizabeth Whitworth
who married 26 September 1814 in Walesby. To trace back any further I feel I
need a fathers name to be sure I am tracing the right people.
I am trying to find out were a couple were born. Would someone please help
me with a look up of a JONES family in Mansfield in the 1851 Census.
George JONES 59 husband and wife Elizabeth 62, sons George 22 ,James 25 and
Daughter Charlotte 20.
Does anyone have access to the marriage records that might be able to look
up a marriage of Richard CANLIN and Mary PECK at Gedling on 12 Oct 1760? I
was wondering if it gave parents and the parish of Richard. Also, could I
please have the names of the witnesses?
I had some lovely help a few weeks back and have just been reading
other messages and thought I would give the list a few of my research
names. Most of my lines are in Lincolnshire but a few families have
crossed the border.
CAPPS - Bathley/North Muskham
BOOTH - Coddington
ELSE - Barnby in the Willows
TAYLOR - Barnby in the Willows
TANSLEY - Kirby in Ashfield
I have most families in all census but would love to make contact
with anyone who has these family names. My Capps line went to
Lincoln in the 1820s but brother's and sister's stayed behind.
The Taylor line is connected to my REDHEAD name from Caenby, with 2
daughters married to Booth & Else.
The Tansley name is connected to my ROGERS family of Bassingham.
Do I have any relatives on the list.
Chris Dods, Perth, W.Aust
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Hoping that someone out there might be researching the same names as listed below, please don't be shy in replying, I really am such a nice person and I'm longing to meet SOMEONE with the same interest (Well it is raining and I'm now retired with nothing to do)
John in a warm but wet Nottingham
John Morriss HUME
Always looking for:-HUME plus
ARCHER-Cradley Herts, 1840---BEAL(E) - Sheffield 1880
BOIK- SCOTLAND, SOUTH AFRICA, London
BROGDEN - Collingham York 1851
BURTON- Sheffield 1910---CARLTON-Sutton on Forest Yorks. 1730
CLARK- Hull 1820, Yorks 1825---CROWSHAW- Sheffield 1910
HARGREAVES-West Yorks 1840---HARRISON-Nottingham 1760
HELMAN-London 1850---HOLIDAY-Kilvington York 1780
HUME- Lowestoft 1901---
LINCOLN-London 1850--- MEDD-SEAMER YORK 1901---McBRIDE- Rotherham 1850
SKELTON -York 1800---THEAKER- Sheffield 1910
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Can anyone tell me where a house named WEST LODGE,Mansfield is/was situated
This was the home of some of my BRADLEY family from at least 1834 (birth of
Micah Gedling Bradley) until the death of Phyllis Armstrong,nee' Bradley in
Also any info please on BRADLEYS TOWN MILL,Mansfield,which I believe burned
down in the 1950's.
I would like to thank Eunice and Margery for their prompt reply and for the information about Geoffry Oldfield, I think it is wonderful how so many people are all willing to help each other, thanks again ladies, I will write to Geoffry now.
Pat Australia finesb(a)optusnet.com.au
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