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This last week's edition of the Worksop Guardian newspaper printed a story about the remains of 20 soldiers found in Northern France. The photo in the paper shows most of the skeletons were laid to rest with their arms linked together. The story is that " they could be the remains of 20 Lincolnshire soldiers killed in friendly fire during the battle of Arras on 9th April 1917. It is believed that a British First World War gun could have fired short and killed 24 warriors fighting under the umbrella of the 9th Lincolnshire regiment." It is thought at least one Worksop man was in this patrol of "Grimsby Chums".
There is currently work being done on trying to identify the remaining 20 skeletons (if it is possible to).
I just thought this was an interesting story and gets off the current thread on the list of talking about horrible things to eat!
sorry about sending this to the list but it has bounced twice
>>I have a sort of link such that the earliest known letter was in 1849 and
addressed to John Savidge my wifes great great grandfather who was a
schoolteacher at the ragged school and later a city missioner
The letter was read at his memorial service by his son Bramwell
Hi i am new well faily new and i downloaded the genelogy programe that
every one is on about.Can someone tell me, when it comes to filling in
the names and details.How would you go about if say my husband was
married beofre we got married and had kids, how do i include them as
when i did it for myself and him we have three kids but i cannot figure
out how to include them. many thanks, p.s. could you make it as simple
as poss, cheers
> Dear Gillian,
> My mothers family were SAYWELLS. Her grandfather according to
tradition was the works manager for
> BIRKINS. I believe that they lived in a house on the factory grounds. They
> originally came from Radford (Notts) and I note with interest that on your
> website on one of the ships there was a SAYWELL family. There is a story
> the family that one of the members went to France to set up a factory. In
> fact on one census return it is recorded that one of the family was born
> France but was a British citizen. SAYWELL is not a common name and many of
> the SAYWELLs in Radford seem to be related. I haven't had time to check
> similar names but would be interested to find out more.
I have now looked at my records and believe that George SAYWELL (and
family ) who sialed to Australia on the Agincourt was the brother of one of
my ancestors. I would be grateful if you could contact me regarding any info
> Best wishes Tim Morland
First boob of the day - it would help if I included the names wouldn't it -
I have a scan of a photo taken of class 4. 1920 Crown Street School.
Brian's Aunt is in the photo, with it is a list of names. It would be
interesting to see if anyone can claim recognition of any of them. We will
do a swap for anyone who recognises a name - a little history of that person
in exchange for an attached copy - how's zat.
The names may be mispelt, but they are as Aunty has written them.
Top Row L-R. Annie Potts; Geatorix; Lucy Blower; Marthe Hunt; A.Wood;
Gregory; Dexter; E.Edge; Anne Pridmore; Sarah Savage; Avery.
2nd Row Down. L-R. Winne Freeman; Elsie Bulmer; Blower; Sal Mills; D
Ridgeon; Hagen; Tingle; E.Moore; Jousey; Grafton; H.Course; Lily Howorth;
3rd Row Down. L-R. Blower Crier; Howard; Coupland; M.Smith; Birkett; Ida
Spriggs; M. Winn; Robinson; Turner; E.Henton; Mossarellie; Grafton.
4th Row Down. L-R. ?; Barraclough; Elsie Johnson; A Webster; Marklew;
M.Lidster; C.Eyre; D.Walters Cunnington; Moore
Front row. A.Williams; Heath; Kempton; Bradford; ?.
Sue & Brian Nicholson of Lancashire
Current research - Burgin; Flower; Saxton; Sorsby; Stanfield; Wellsted. and
variations of all.
http://www.Vander-bros.co.uk Check this non-gen site - opinions welcome.
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Here's another batch of my surname interests,
BINGLEY - any Bingley family in Mansfield between 1720 and 1900
BOOTH - In Mansfield between 1800-1870, previously from Mansfield Woodhouse
SLACK - in Mansfield around 1800-1815 - looking for a bapt of Mary Slack
circa 1807-1811 but the PR's in the local library are very poor around this
time. Does anyone know if the BT's are surviving??
SHAW - in Mansfield between 1750-1800
WHITE - in Mansfield between 1733-1800
ELLIS - in Mansfield circa 1700
PARNELL - in Sutton between 1809-1900. Previously the family came from
BENNETT - in Sutton from at least 1839-1900. Previously from Ruddington.
SHELDON - in Sutton from 1807-1900. Previously came from Youlgreave, Derbys
BARK - in Sutton from 1746-1850
GASKIN - in Sutton from 1751-1820
Tonight I have uploaded my latest additions to my collection of Notts Church
photographs - which brings the total number of churches covered to around
I still have a couple of churches left to photograph this year - which I
should just be able to pull in before baby arrives :-) but I won't be able
to deal with any new requests now until next year.
Meanwhile, if anyone has any photos of Notts churches which they are happy
to let me use on the site, or knows of any other web sites which includes a
picture of a Notts church, I would be very happy to hear from you.
From: Thomas Kendall <trkendall(a)email.msn.com>
To: NOTTSGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <NOTTSGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 30 June 1999 18:20
Subject: Textile industry in Nottingham
>I have just received a marriage certificate for my ancestors dated
>writing isn't very good and I'm having trouble reading the
>The bridegroom looks as if she was a "Sou rapper" and her father a
>"Stockinger" Can anyone help identify the real words and tell me what
>jobs actually were? Thanks for any help.
A stockinger was a framework knitter who made stockings, a trade very
popular in the Nottinghamshire area. They often worked on their
frames at home. Sorry I can't help with the other occupation.
Sheila in Nottingham
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>Notts Family History Society Web Site is NOW at
I have noticed that a very kind person has performed lookups in the
subject book. Could I bother you to look up the surname MILNES/MILLS?
Records, census, indicate members of this family worked in the lace
industry, in what capacity I do not know. Thanking you in advance.
In "Memorials of the Church of St John the Evangelist, being an Account,
Biographical, Historical, and Traditionary of the Parish Church of Montrose
and Clergy thereof", by James G. Low, Montrose, 1891, on page 33, under
"Early Churchmen", is the following passage :- "Sir*1 Thomas Mudey, 1891,
circa. This person, who was 'Chaplain of the Altar of St. Sebastiane and St.
Bride within the Paroche Kirk", stood in familiaritie and continuale
service' to King James IV. and his household. By a deed signed by the King
and (dated at 'Sanct Andros, the 15th day of Januare' of the King's reign
the 18th year, the King asked for letters from the provost and community of
Montrose to dispense with Mudey's 'personale residence and minastration' in
the burgh 'sa lang' as he remained in the King's service". --- "Charter
Chest of Montrose", vol. ii.
The author quotes the King's letter in full in his notes, and it apparently
is the sole source of his information re this Sir Thomas Mudie. The letter
is as follows:-
"Weilbelovet Freynds, - We grete you weill, and forasmekle as oure lovit
chapellane Sir Thomas Mudey, chappellan of the altarage of Sanct Sebastiane
and Sanct Bride, within youre Paroche Kirk, stands now in familiaritie and
continuale service to us and in our houshold, herfor we exhort and prais you
effectuusly that ye will, for oure saik and request, dispens with the said
Sir Thomas anent personale residence and ministration in the chapellanry of
the said altarag sa lang as he remains in our service, and gif to him youre
letters thereapone that he be nocht hurt in his said chapellanry, he findand
ane sufficient chapellane for him, to do, and uphald the service of the said
altarage as efferis ; and this ye do as ye will have a speciale thank of us
therefore, and do us emplessur ; and that ye certify us of your answer in
wriit herapone with this berar, that we may knaw what ye do for oure request
and remember the samen written under oure signet at Sanctandros the XV day
of Januare, and of oure regne the XVIII yeir.
"Delectis nostris preposito balliuis, consulibus et communitati burgi nostri
de Montros, etc."
In the list of the principal heritors of the Shire of Fife, given in Sir
Robert Sibald's History of Fife, the following Mudies are mentioned :-
James Mudie of Deals.
Gleorge Mudie of Lathamond.
Robert Mudie of Balmule.*2
*1 "Sir", of course, only implies a churchman in this case.
*2 The will of a Robert Mudie of Balmoole, parish of Dunfermline, was proved
("Com. of St Andrews") 14th November 1772, and a Robert Mudie of Balmule was
a Commissioner of Supply for co. Fife, 1828.
James Mudie, merchant, burgess, was M.P. for Montrose 1689 and 1868-1702.
James Moodie, late Baillie, was M.P. for Dunfermline 28th December 1660, 9th
May 1662, and 18th June l663.
It appears from the "History of Arbroath", by George Hay (Arbroath, 1876),
that in 1681 James Mudie, Town Councillor, along with the Provost,
Magistrates, deacons of incorporated trades, etc., took the oath directed
against Presbytelialls and the Covenant. In 1766 James Butchart is mentioned
as being elected provost in succession to John Mudie, and his successor in
1769 was David Mudie. On 13th March 1735 David Mudie was appointed town
clerk. He appears to have been a lawyer and wrote upon the town. Whether the
same person as David Mudie of Gilchorn, who was a lawyer in Arbroath at this
period is not clear.
"Scotiae Indiculurm ; or the Present State of Scotland", etc. By A(lexander)
M(udie), Philopatris, London. Printed for Jonathan Wilkins at the Star in
Cheapside, next Mercer's Chappel, 1682. The above is a quaint work in the
Abedeen Public Library. Only the author's initials are given on the title
page, but the full name is given, no doubt with sufficient authority, in the
catalogue of the library. The author is a strong Royalist and
anti-covenanter, but the book does not appear to contain any information in
regard to him. There is a contemporary patent or quack medicine
advertisement at the end which might have been written yesterday. The volume
also contains a few contemporary MS. notes. The book is evidently written to
educate the southron, and from its tone and place of publication I suspect
that the author was living in England. Dedication to Duke of Lennox. --- Ex
inform. J.G.F. Moodie Heddle.
>From "History of the Chapel Royal of Scotland," by Rev. Charles Rogers,
D.D., LL.D. Edinburgh, printed for the Grampian Club, 1882. On page 231, re
the reconstitution of the Order of the Thistle by James II., occurs the
following: ---" On the 28th June (1687) James again communicates with the
Council. Referring to his edict for reconstituting the Order of the Thistle,
his Majesty reveals plainly what his real intentions were. He desired that
the Abbey Church might be recovered from the Magistrates of Edinburgh, 'not
only as being most fit and convenient for accommodating the Knights of the
Thistle', but as, to quote his own words, 'also most proper for the
performance of religious worship and exercise of our household when we shall
have occasion to be there, our present chapel in that palace not being large
enough for the same'. Therefore were the Council enjoined to call upon the
civic authorities 'to deliver up the keys of the church to the Earl of
Perth, the Chancellor', in order that it might be adapted as 'the chapel of
the said Order'. To compensate the parishioners of the Canongate, James
proposed to grant to the Town Council for erecting a new church money 'long
ago mortified by Thomas Moodie, some time Merchant in Edinburgh', of which
the disposal was by Act of Parliament vested in the Crown. Private citizens
who possessed lofts or galleries were to be accommodated with similar
conveniences in the new church".
The above passage is asterisked, and the footnote is as follows :-
"Maitland's History of Edinburgh, 1753, fol. pp. 142, 143. In 1650, Thomas
MIoodie, or, as he is styled in Slezer's 'Theatrium Scotiae', p. 7, Sir
Thomas Moodie of Sachten Hall, bequeathed the sum of twenty thousand merks
to the Town Council, in trust, for building a church in the town, and which,
after various projects for the application, was at length made use of in
providing a church for the parishioners of the Canongate on their ejection
from the Abbey Church". --- "Wilson's Memorials of Edinburgh", 1872, p. 428.
The passage from "Wilson's Memorials" is both interesting and amusing. It is
as follows :- "In 1650, Thomas Moodie, or, as he is styled in 'Slezer's
Theatrum Scotiae', Sir Thomas Moodie of Sachtenhall, bequeathed the sum of
twenty thousand merks to the Town Council, in trust, for building a church
in the town, and which, after various projects for its application to
different purposes, was at length made use of for providing a church for the
parishioners of the Canongate on their ejection from Holyrood Abbey by James
VII. in 1687. Such does not seem to be a period when a church which had been
in progress for years, and, as would appear from Gordon's view, was
advancing towards completion, would be deliberately levelled with the ground
from the difficulty of raising the necessary funds". (The last sentence
refers to another church, the cause of the dilapidation of which is under
question by the author). 'The following entry in the 'Inventar of Pious
Donations' throws new light on this and on the object of Moodie's bequest :-
'Thos. Mudie left for the re-edyfing of the Kirk that was throwne down by
the English in the Castle Hill of Edr. 40,000 merks, but what is done yrin I
know not.' There is added on the margin in a later hand, seemingly that of
old Robert Milne, circa 1700, 'The Wigs built the Canomgate Kirk yrwt'. From
this it appears that the church on the Castle Hill shared the same fate as
the old Weigh-house, its materials having most probably been converted into
redoubts for Cromwell's artillery during the siege of the Castle, for which
purpose they lay conveniently at hand. The legacy of Thomas Moodie appears
to have cost its Trustees some little concern as to how to dispose of it, a
few years having sufficed to effect very radical changes in the ideas of the
civic Council as to the church accommodation required by the citizens.
Fountainhall records in 1681 (vol. i, p. 156) :- The Town of Edinburgh
obtains ane Act anent Thomas Moodie's legacy and mortifacation to them of
20,000 merks, that in regard they have no use for a church (which was the
end whereto he destined it), and that therefore they might be allowed to
invert the same to some other public work. The Articles and Parliament
recommended the Town to the Privy Council to see the Will of the defunct
fulfilled as near as could be ; for it comes near to sacrilege to invert a
pious donation. The Town offers to buy with it a peal of Bells to hang in
St. Giles' Steeple, to ring musically and to warn to church, and to build a
Tolbooth above the West Port, and put Thomas Mudie's name and arms thereon
(!). Some thought it better to make it a stipend to the Lady Yester's Kirk,
or to a minister to preach to all prisoners in the Canongate and Edinburgh
Toolbooths (i.e., jails) and to the Correction house, Sunday about. In the
Records of the Privy Council, May 15th, 1688, when Mudie's bequest was
finally appropriated towards providing the ejected burghers of the Canongate
with a Parish Church, it appears that the annual interest of it had been
appropriated to the payment of the Bishop of Edinburgh's house rent.
(Fountainhall's 'Decisions', vol. i., p. 505). The arms of Moodie now form a
prominent ornament on the front of the Canongate Church".*1
Thomas Mudie of Sauchton Hall,*2 died 1651. His will ("Com. of Edinburgh")
was proved 6th July 1652. Inventory made and given up by his lawful
daughter, Jannot Moodie, spous to Hugh (?) Maxwell of Dalry, burgess of
John Mudie, Writer to the Signet, in his will ("Com. of Edinburgh,") proved
21st June 1649, mentions "William Mudie, Portioner of Athie (Aldie ?), my
immediate elder (brother ?)". He leaves money to "John and Thomas Mudie,
bairns of Jon Mudie of the Muir, my old [--------]"; and to "John, William,
Andrew, and Laurence Mudie, sons of the said William Mudie, my eld (brother
?)". One Thomas Mudie of Dalry, merchant, burgess of Edinburgh, is mentioned
in the inventory as owing money to deceased. William Mudie, Mr burgess of
Edinburgh, is a witness. The William Mudie mentioned above as the testator's
elder brother was probably the William Mudie, in Meikletoun of Aldie, parish
of Fossaway, co. Kinross, whose will ('Com. of Dunblane") was proved 27th
October 1661 and 9th August 1666.
Sir Andrew Mudie, chaplain at Cupar, by his will ("Com. of St Andrews"),
proved April 1550, leaves property to religious uses ; also, 9 merks to his
brother, James Mudie, and £5 4s to his brother, Robert Mudie, they being
*1 Mr. J.G.F. Moodie Heddle remarks :- "It is a matter for conjecture
whether the fact that the Moodies of Melsetter had a burial-place in the
Canongate Kirkyard had anything to do with this bequent. That family always
had a strong Edinburgh connection. Francis Mudie of Breknes and Melsetter no
doubt spoke with reminiscent precision when, in regard to Patrick Stewart,
Earl of Orkney, 'he hoiped to see the airmes of that mansworne tratour riven
at the Croce' ; and Commodore Moodie is said to have been a boy at school in
Edinburgh, whence he ran off to sea. Also, the property gifted by William
Mudie, Bishop of Caithness, to St Anthony's Monastery, Leith, lay round
about the town."
*2 Sauchton (now spelt Saughton Hall, or House) is a mansion-house still
existing on the outskirts of Edinburgh. Like Merchiston Castle, Warristoun
House, and several other once country mansions, it is now within the
municipal area. It has been purchased by the city, and the grounds are to be
laid out as a public park or garden. I have not the least doubt that this is
the place in question. There is another Saughton House some miles out of
town, near Cramond Brig, but it is usually known as "New Saughton".
Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95).
[A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time]
THE MOODIE BOOK
[Picture of Coat of Arms]
"The Reward Of Valour"
The Book-Plate Of Major James Moodie
9th Of Melsetter
BEING AN ACCOUNT OF THE FAMILIES OF MELSETTER, MUIR, COCKLAW, BLAIRHILL,
BRYANTON, GILCHORNS, PITMUIES, ARBEKIE, MASTERTON, ETC., ETC.,
THE MARQUIS OF RUVIGNY AND RAINEVAL, AUTHOR OF "THE BLOOD ROYAL OF BRITAIN",
"THE JACOBITE PEERAGE, BARONETAGE AND KNIGHTAGE", "THE PLANTAGENET ROLL OF
THE BLOOD ROYAL", ETC.
In the present little Memoir an attempt has been made to trace the genealogy
and history of the principal branches of the Moodie or Mudie family, and the
author feels that whatever merit the work may possess is due to the valuable
assistance he has received from Mr J.G.F. Moodie Heddle, lately younger of
Melsetter. When the author found that he had not time to continue the search
he had commenced among the Scottish Records in the Edinburgh Register House,
Mr Heddle most kindly undertook the work, and possessing, as he does, an
intimate knowledge of the history, genealogy, and traditions of Orkney and
the Orcadians, his assistance proved invaluable. He has also to thank Mr.
Middlemore, the present Laird of Melsetter, for very kindly offering him
permission to inspect the Melsetter Charters, which permission only great
stress of work, which rendered a journey to the north impossible, prevented
his availing himself of. Nor must he omit to record his thanks to the late
Mr. J.B. Mercer, of Edinburgh, to whom he is indebted for extracts from the
Muir, Cocklaw, and Blairhill Charters. The only previously printed Mudie
pedigree is that of the Forfarshire line, which was drawn up, December 16,
1824, by George Paton, of Montrose, and inscribed to his kinsman, James
Mudie of Pitmuies. This, which was reprinted in Burke's Landed Gentry until
the extinction of the Pitmuies family, is referred to in the preseut work as
is' The Family Tree." This Pedigree, owing doubtless to the compiler not
being able in those days to obtain access to the original records, is quite
unreliable, a mistake even being made as to the grandfather of the gentleman
to whom it is inscribed; while the Arbekie family, who really formed a
branch of their own, are cut up and fitted into the Gilchorn Pitmuies line
without the least regard for dates.
No pedigree of the Orkney or Fifeshire lines has, so far as the author
knows, been previously printed, and the present account is still, doubtless,
very incomplete; for there must be papers in the Sheriff Clerk's Office in
Kirkwall and in private hands from which much farther information might be
The nineteenth century, however, saw the last acre of Scottish land pass
from the family, and the representatives of the two surviving lines of
Melsetter and Cocklaw are now dispersed in new homes throughout Africa and
America. If this little Memoir of their common ancestry forms a link to bind
the scattered members of the family together and to keep alive the memory of
their Scottish fatherland, then the task of the writer will have been amply
CHERTSEY, 24th March 1906.
Only one hundred and fifty copies of this Memoir have been printed, of which
this is No. 1.
The Moodie Book
Moodie Of Melsetter And Cocklaw From The Royal House Of Stuart & King Robert
Descendants of Duncan I, King Of Scotland
Page 7 line 10
The Moodie tombs here referred to as in the Sinclair vault at Thurso, are in
reality in the old Sinclair vault at Ulbster. Ulbster belonged to Gunns
(Crownars) before coming to Sinclairs, and the old Crownar connection
probably explains the Moodie tombs there.
Page 49 line 1
Delete "second daughter", to the end of paragraph, and insert " daughter of
Donald Sinclair, third of Olrigg and Bilbster, by his wife Fenella, daughter
and heiress of Charles Sinclair of Bilbster".
Page 63 line 16
For "eleventh" read "tenth".
Page 99 line 21
For "Thelford" read "Tilford".
Page 122 line 8
For "1781" read "1871".
The Moodie Book
The family of Moodie or Mudie, as the name is variously spelt, is one of
great antiquity in Scotland, and, according to tradition, is derived from
Harald Mac Mudah, one of the last of the old Norse Jarls (Earls) of Orkney,
and is so descended in the direct male line from the Royal House of
Scotland, and in the female line from the Kings of Norway. Whether this
descent is correct or not cannot now be proved, and must remain a matter of
tradition; but a search af the Scottish Records proves that the old idea
that Orkney was the home of the family from Norse days, and that the various
Forfarshire and Fifeshire families of the name were founded by cadets who
came south during the sixteenth century, is quite erroneous, and points to
Forfarshire as the Moodie country. * (The Mudie wills under Glasgow number
31, the earliest dating from 1613 only, although the Records go back to
1547. The much earlier wills of Mudies to be found in Fifeshire,
Forfarshire, and even Edinburgh, show conclusively that the family was a
distinctly eastern one in origin. Many Glasgow Mudies will be found in the
Edinburgh Records, but none earlier than the above-mentioned date 1613. I
have also been over the catalogues of the Commissariots of Dumblane,
Dunkeld, and Hamilton and Campsie, but they contained nothing worthy of
note, and hardly any Mudie entries at all. The Caithness Commissariot
Records begin too late for any Mudie, and the name does not I think, appear.
The same is true of the Commissariots of Inverness and Argyle and the Isles,
as also of Aberdeen; but in the latter case the Records go back only to the
early part of the eighteenth century (the earlier ones were burnt),
otherswise probably some Mudies might have been found in Kincardineshire,
most of which came within the Aberdeen district). It is in Forfarshire that
the first mention of the name is found, and the registers of the various
Forfarshire parishes from the commencement contain scores of entries
relating to the name. From Forfarshire they gradually spread over the
borders into Fifeshire, and to a less extent into Perthshire; and, as will
be seen, a branch, after a probably short residence in Ayrshire, passed
north into Caithness, eventually settling in Orkney. But this, though at
first sight it might appear to do so, does not in any way tell against the
traditional descent. Harald Madadson, indeed, went north at a comparatively
early age to claim a share of the Orkney Jarldom in right of his mother, and
became practically a Norseman, and his male descendants are known to have
died out in Orkney in the persons of his sons. But tradition probably only
fixed on Harald Madadson by name because he was the one of his family who
was Earl of Orkney, and because it was known that Orkney was the residence
of the chief of the name. Harald was the son of Mudah or Maddah and the
grandson of Melmare (brother of Kenneth II., King of Scotland). They were
Maormors or Thanes (Earls) of Athole, and the name Madach or Madath, of
which indeed Madad is merely a Norse version, seems to have become a sort of
perennial andalmost hereditary Christian name, and thus to have acquired
almost the equivalence of a surname. The change of Madach into Mudach, and
the softening of Mudach into Mudah or Muday, were trifling matters in the
days when spelling was unfixed. Taking this into consideration, together
with the position of Pitmudy, on the borders of (and probably in old times
within) Athole, and also the phenomenal distribution of Mudies in
Forfarshire, the family tradition may be correct, and the Moodies be
descendants of the old Celtic family to which, on the male side, Harald
Madadson belonged. This Pitmudie * (This must not be confused with Pitmuies,
also in Forfarshire, but in the parish of Kirkden which was afterwards
(1769) required by, and gave their designation to, the Mudies of Pitmuies)
or Pitmoody, in the parish of Lintrathen, Forfarshire, was probably the
residence of the Mudies of that ilk, whose arms --- a mermaid --- are given
in the "Workman" MS. * (A MS. of the reign of Queen Mary, so called from a
memorandum at the beginning which says that in 1623 it was in the possession
of James Workman. It is now in the Lyon Office. The ground of the arms is
coloured a pea green. Porteous, who was Snowdon Herald in 1661, and left a
valuable heraldic MS. much used by Stodart in his "Scottish Arms, A.D.
1370-1678", gives this with the Mermaid's hair sable, and adds--- "Also
azure, a chevron ermine between three Peons"). No genealogy of this family
exists, and it had either lost the property * (From a passage in "Around the
Ancient City" (Brechin), published by Edwards, of Brechin, p. 154, it
appears that Pitmachy (Pitmudy) was on May 1, 1319, granted by Robert the
Bruce to one Peter de Spalding, a burgess of Berwick-on-Tweed) or become
extinct in the direct male line at an early date. The other principal landed
families of the name may be divided into four groups. First, in point of
consequence, were the Orkney Moodies, designed first of Breckness, and
afterwards (1630) of Melsetter. They descended from Gilbert Moodie of
Caldwell, in Ayr, brother to William, Bishop of Caithness, and "for agates
held a high station among the Gentry of the Orkney Islands". * (Quarterly
Review, 1836, vol. 1v. Hossack, in "Kirkwall in the Orkneys," says:- "The
Mudies claim to be the oldest landowners in Orkney in present possession.
William Mudie, first of Breckness, who was also Mudie of Melsetter, in a
charter of Queen Mary, within ninety years of the impignoration of the
islands, is credited with this, that his ancestors had been 'ancient and
udal possessors of Snelsetter from time immemorial'. An ancient bit of the
Mudie estate is thus described in 'The Coppie of my Lord Sinclair's Rentale
that Deit at Flowdin' :- 'Brabuster Beneth the hill wes ane uris terre of
the uhilk the first erle henrie gaif to the viccar iij terre for the uphald
of ane mess in hoy a day ilk oulk for evir.' This land is then said to be
'In Manibus Magistri Wilhelmi Mudy.' Hoy's weekly Mass was no doubt
regularly celebrated for over a century and a half, and when it ceased the
Mudies claimed the fee"). From 1700, the heads of the family have borne the
Christian names of James and Benjamin alternately without a break. Melsetter
was sold in 1819, and the three sons of the last laird emigrated to Cape
Colony, Natal, and Canada respectively. Their descendants are now very
numerous. The original arms of the Breckness-Melsetter line were:-
Azure, a chevron ermine between three Peons points upwards ardent;
in chief, a hunting horn or.
In 1707, Queen Anne granted to Captain James Moodie, afterwards (1714) of
Melsetter, for his services at the relief of Denia, a coat of augmentation
to be borne quarterly with the Melsetter coat, as under:
Arms Quarterly. --- 1st and 4th azure, three ships in sail argent, on a
chief wavy gules, a beacon or; 2nd and 3rd azure, a chevron ermine between
three Peons argent; in chief, a hunting horn or.
Crest --- On a naval coronet a lion passant regardant, holding in his dexter
paw a flag with the double-headed eagle of Austria.
Mottoes. --- Above the Crest, "The Reward of Valour"; below, "God with us."
The latter coat can, of course, only be used by the lineal descendants of
Next come the Mudies of Muir and their cadets, the Moodies of Cocklaw and
the Moodies of Blairhill, who, according tt family tradition, were of the
same stem as the Melsetter house, a tradition which is corroborated by the
fact that the Cocklaw arms also had the distinctive bugle in chief. It is
not unlikely that they come from William Mudie of the diocese of Orkney,
probably a brother of the second Gilbert Mudie, who is known to have been
resident in Perth in 1542, in which county Muir is situated. Muir was
acquired sometime before 1600, and was sold by the last of the direct line
in 1829. They used the Christian names of William and John alternately till
1756; after that, John alone.
The Cocklaw line, designed first of Lassodie, branched off with Thomas
Moodie of Lassodie, second son of the third Laird of Muir, who died 1677.
Cocklaw was sold in 1852. They used the names John and James alternately,
and their arms were:-
Assure, a chevron ermine between three arrows argent; in chief, a hunting
Crest. --- A peon argent
Motto : --- "God with Us".
The Blairhill family apparently descends from a younger son of the second
Laird of Muir. The property was sold in 1820.
The third group comprises the various Forfarshire lines, viz.:--- The Mudies
of Bryanton and their cadets of Gilchorn, Pitmuies, and Arbekie. Bryanton
began about 1550-1570 and ended about 1667. Gilchorn, coming from a younger
son of the fourth Laird of Bryanton, continued to about 1760. John and David
were the Christian names alternately used by them. The Pitmuies filmily was
probably founded by James, a younger son of the third Laird of Gilchorn, and
became extinct in 1877. Their arms were:---
Azure, a chevron ermine, between three peons argent a bordure of the last.
Crest. --- A pheon argent.
Motto: --- "Defensio non offensio".
The exact relationship of the Arbekie line to Bryanton is not known. It
began with James Mudie or Moodie, a merchant burgess of Montrose, who died
1658, and ended with his great grandson, the fourth laird, who d.s.p.m.
1728. The second laird recorded his arms at the Lyon Office, 1672-1678, as
Azure, a chevron ermine, between three pheons argent a bordure indented of
Crest. --- A pheon argent.
Motto. --- "Defensio non offensio".
The fourth and last group are the Moodies of Masterton and their cadets of
Cults and Barnhill. They acquired Masterton in 1579, and used the old coat
of Moodie without difference, as may be seen from their vault in Saline
After these few remarks on the family generally, we now proceed with the
genealogy of the different lines, commencing with that of the Orkney
Moodies, and in this connection Mr J.G.F. Moodie Heddle, lately Younger of
"Setting aside as to all appearance belonging to the realm of popular
genealogy, and at all events as unilluminated by any semblance of proof, a
tradition which assigns to the Moodies of Melsetter descent from the
bishop-maiming thane, Harold Maadadson,*l Jarl of Orkney and Caithness in
the age of William the Lion, it may with no slight degree of confidence be
affirmed that the real precursors of the family in the North were William
Moodie, or Mudie, Bishop of Caithness from 1449 to some date posterior to
1469, and Gilbert Mudie of Caldwell, his brother. As little is known of
either brother, it may not be out * *1He cut the tongue out of the Bishop of
Caithness, but St. Tredwell, with fine feminine feeling, restored the
of place to quote the following account of an endowment in connection with
the Monastery of St Anthony at Leith made by the bishop in 1469. The account
is taken from the "Index to the Charters" in the Register House, Edinburgh,
and the date of the Charter is an indication that Bishop Keith, the
historian of the Scottish Bishops, is in error in assigning Bishop Mudie's
death to the year 1460:-
'25th July 1469.
'Charter whereby William, Bishop of Caithness, for the salvation of the
souls of his brother german, Gilbert Mudie of Caldwell; the late James,
Bishop of St Andrews; and Agnes Crownar, wife to the said Gilbert; and of
all to whom the granter is in debt, or whose goods, he is in possession of,
etc., grants, to the Virgin Mary, St Anthony, and Mary Magdalene, for the
support of one chaplin to minister in things divine at the altar of the
blessed Mary Magdalene in the Church and Monastery of the blessed Anthony,
near and adjacent to the town of Leith, the annual rents following (here are
detailed several items of property in the vicinity of Edinburgh). Willing,
granting, and ordaining moreover that the presentation to the said
Chaplaincy shall pertain to the granter during his life, and after his death
to the said Gilbert Mudie and his heirs of the surname of the Mudies,
presenting within 40 days, as, often as, the same shall fall vacant. And if
he or they shall fail, the presentation shall belong to the provost,
bailies, councillors, and community of the burgh of Edinburgh. And if it
shall happen that the preceptor and brethren, canons of St Anthony, carry
themselves ungraciously to, the said Chaplin or his successors in the
payment of the said annual rent, and also shall fail to satisfy and pay
annually the contributions formerly granted by them to the said chaplin and
his successors, viz., 40s Scots yearly, a convenient chamber for the said
chaplin, and a piece of garden, as, more fully appears by a public
instrument made thereupon, then it shall be lavful to the said Gilbert and
his heirs, and also to the said provost, bailies, councillors, and
community, to transfer the said chaplin and his services from the place of
St Anthony and the altar of Mary Magdalene to the Church of St Giles,
Edinburgh, and to whatever altar and whatever other church they may please'.
"The charter is attested by Gilbert Mudie, and by one David Mudie, the
latter, no doubt, another relation, and probably the same David Mudie who
was bailie of Bishop Mudie's Cathedral city of Dornoch in 1505'.
"After a considerable amount of research, I have come to the conclusion that
the Caldwell of the charter was the place of that name in Ayrshire,*1 now
wholly, and for many centuries in part, the property of the Mures of
Caldwell. It is probable that towards the close of the fourteenth century,
when the first Mure of Caldwell is said to have acquired a portion of the
estate, through marriage with a daughter of the Caldwells of that ilk, this
family of Mudies acquired another portion, through marriage, it may be, with
another daughter of that house. That this is the Caldwell in question, at
all events is, I consider, conclusively proved by the fact that the arms of
the Moodies of Melsetter bore
*1Caldwell was an estate in the parish of Beith, near the boundary of Ayr
and Renfrew. It was divided into Easter and Wester Caldwell. Easter Cldwell
was obtained in marriage with a daughter of Caldwell of that ilk by
Gilchrist Mure early in the 14th century. In 1753 Wester Caldwell was
purchased by Baron Mure of Caldwell from the Duke of Hamilton. The latter
is, no doubt, the portion once held by the Moodies. Vide "Scottish Nation,"
under Caldwell and Mure. There was, however, another place called Gallis
Caldwell, in another part of Ayrshire. The only other approach to Caldwell
to be found in Scotland is a single instance of the corrupt spelling of
Caldell or Calder (Norse Kalfadal) in Caithness. This place, however, was
never held by the Moodies.
the 'hunting horn or' of the Caldwells' arms,*l a feature unknown to the
coats of the other families of Mudie, although these latter are in other
respects nearly identical with the Melsetter bearings. The first Mudie of
Caldwell may have been a cadet of Mudie of that ilk, a family whose weird
mermaid arms adorn the 'Workman' MS. of the age of Mary Stuart, and whose
seat, if we may judge from the name itself, and from the large number of
Mudies to be found in Forfarshire, was probably Pitmudie, in the parish of
Lintrathen, in that county.
" 'The late James, Bishop of St Andrews,' whose soul's beatitude was the
object of his ecclesiastical brother's solicitude, was the celebrated James
Kennedy, founder of St Salvator's College, St Andrews, and the most
distinguished Scottish statesman of his own or, perhaps, of any age. He was
a son of James Kennedy, the Younger of Dunure, Ayrshire, by his wife the
Lady Mary, a daughter of King Robert III., and Countess of Angus by a former
marriage. The Bishop's elder brother was that Gilbert, 1st Lord Kennedy,
from whom the Earls of Cassillis are descended; his grandfather was Sir
Gilbert Kennedy of Dunure; and, from the fact of the name Gilbert having
been held by the one Mudie brother, as well as from the position, between
his brother and his sister-in-law, which Bishop William has assigned the
Bishop of St Andrews in his charter, I am inclined to think that the
families must have been related. That the mother of the Mudies may have been
a daughter of the Kennedys is, when we consitler the Ayrshire connection of
both, no very hazardous conjecture; and, as the worthy Bishop William,
however cavalier with his creditors and those whose goods he was in
possession of, evidently believed in being good to his relations in both
worlds, one may further conjecture that John Kennedy, the contemporary
Precentor of Caithness, was another link of this connection. So much, at all
events, for the St Anthony Charter.
"In the year 1455, William, Bishop of Caithness, with the consent of the
Dean and Chapter, and 'for the defence of his churches and churchland both
in Caithness and Suthirland,' granted*2 to his brother, Gilbert Mudie, the
lands of Dorrarie, in the parish of Thurso; Atterwell, in the parish of
Bower; 9 pennylands in the lordship of Wick; and 20 shillinglands in the
island of Stroma --- all in Caithness --- together with the castles of
Scrabster, in Caithness, and Skibo, in Sutherlandshire, and the lands
surrounding the same. It ought, perhaps, to be explained that the bishopric
of Caithness of old included Sutherlandshire, and the Bishop's castle of
Skibo, here-mentioned, must not be confused with the Earl's
'These were argent, on three piles issuing from the chief sa. as many
hunting horns or, and in base four bars wavy gu. and vert, all within a
bordure of the fourth charged with three stars of seven rays wavy of the
first. This name overruns the neighbourhood of Caldwell, as is seen from the
Beith registers, and the family must at some time have possessed the place
and taken their name from it, Caldwell being to this day a name almost
confined to that district where Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, and Renfrewshire
*9Reg. Mag. Sig. ; lib. viii., No. 123
castle of the same name, the latter, or rather a modern mansion on the same
site, now the seat of Mr Carnegie. This grant was for Gilbert Mudie and his
two legal heirs only, that is to say, the lands were to revert to the Church
after the expiry of the third generation; and it is this limitation, when
considered in the light of a nearly contemporary acquisition of lands in
Orkney, that explains the ultimate migration of the family to the latter
county. On its original terms the grant was confirmed by King James III. in
There is strong reason to believe that Gilbert Mudie took up his residence
in the castle of Scrabster, and certain Mudie tombs said to exist in the
Sinclair vault at Thurso, in close vicinity, are no doubt those of his
relations and some of his descendants. He would also appear to have married
in his new home, as I am informed on excellent authority that Agnes Crownar
must have been a Gunn --- a clan whose 'country' was situated on the borders
of Caithness and Sutherland. Gilbert thus appears to have initiated a ---
dare I say --- weakness ? for tartan-clad femininity which was shared by
many later Moodies, and which, if the romantic family tradition is reliable,
was to lure one of them to an untimely end in the waters of the Pentland
Firth. Growing interests in the North may have induced Gilbert, or one of
his successors, to sever the no doubt incompatible Ayrshire connection. At
all events I have found no later record of any Mudie of Caldwell. Two other
Mudies of this period may be mentioned, although I am unable to elucidate
their connection with the Bishop and his brother. These were Robert Mudie,
who, it appears from the Scottish Exchequer Rolls, acted as procurator for
the Bishop and Dean and Chapter of Caithness in various years from 1458 to
1471, and William Mudie, who acted in the same capacity in 1459 and 1460.
"The family acquired other lands in Caithness, though not, so far as I have
been able to discover, to any large extent, and it was only in 1593 that
William Mudie of Breckness and Melsetter parted with what appears to have
been the last item of Mudie property in Caithness, by the excambion of his
lands of Dounreay there with Patrick Stewart, Earl of Orkney, in exchange
for some of that nobleman's lands in Orkney. Isaac-like, however, the Mudies
of Breckness and Melsetter still turned to that land of their fathers when
in search of wives, a tendency which we find exemplified by the two latest
of the race. *2
"Situated on the edge of that Pentland Firth which has with less civility
than injustice been styled 'the dirtiest piece of water in Christendom,'
Scrabster was, with the exception of the 20 Shillinglands in Stroma, the
most northerly of Gilbert Mudie's lands. And as a glance at the map will
show that Hoy was the
*1Reg. Mag. Sig. ; viii., No. 123.
*2The Moodies were sufficiently under Highland influence to maintain an
hereditary piper at Meletter. The "piper's park," an enclosure to the
westward of the house, was probably perquisite cow's grass.
nearest of the Orkney Islands to Scrabster, and all but the nearest to
Stroma, it is, if one may so put it, in harmony with the geographical
potentialities of the case to discover that the first lands acquired by the
Moodies in Orkney were in Hoy. To the non-Orcadian reader, however, it is
necessary to explain that the name Hoy, as applying to the whole island, is
the perhaps natural, but, albeit, erroneous assumption of the modern
cartographer. Following the old Norse division of the island into Haey (high
island) or Uppland to the north, and Vagaland (land of voes or bays) to the
south, the Orcadians have in all ages applied the name Hoy to the northern
portion of the island only, while the southern section, including the
peninsula or sub-island of South Walls, i8 known as the Island of Walls.
Bearing this distinction in view, the first lands acquired by the Moodies in
Orkney that can at this date be absolutely vouched for, and which I am
presently to mention, were in Hoy, strictly so called. It is, however, none
the less certain that the family made as early, and, in all probability,
earlier acquisitions in Walls, which lay nearer to Caithness. In a charter
of the age of Queen Mary, the Moodies are, even at that early date,
mentioned as 'ancient and native possessors' of certain lands in Walls,
'beyond the memory of living man,' and the first residence of the family in
Orkney was undoubtedly Snelsetter Castle in South Walls. This explains the
strenuous efforts made by the familv during several generations to acquire
an undisputed title to Melsetter, which was in Walls, and near one of the
main ferries to Caithness. Snelsetter was, as compared with Melsetter, of a
more exposed and generally less desirable situation. It was, however,
retained by the Moodies as a second residence for years after their
acquisition of Melsetter.
"There was recently, and no doubt still is, in existence a document which
states the exact connection between the Moodies of Melsetter and the family
of Gilbert Mudie of Caldwell. This was a contemporary letter which mentioned
that one of the Moodies of Melsetter was claiming certain property, as legal
representative of William, Bishop of Caithness, and which, I believe, stated
the relationship on which the claim was based. Most unfortunately, trace of
this interesting and, from the family point of view, important document has,
I trust only for the moment, been lost.
"It is, therefore, matter of conjecture whether Gilbert Moodie himself, or
any Mudie of his generation, acquired any lands in Orkney; and,
consequently, whether Magister Willielmus Mudie, srho, as appears from
'Peterkin's Rentals of Orkney,' possessed lands in Hoy and in the
neighbouring island of Graemsay in 1503, represents the first or, as I
suspect, only the second generation of Orkney Moodies. Mr William was parson
of Hoy, and as the two benefices were at that date conjoined, that fact
implies that he was also Rector of Walls. He may have been the lyart
representative of that William Mudie who, as above-mentioned, acted as
procurator for the Bishop and Dean and Chapter of Caithness in 1460, more
especially as the connection of the latter with the diocese of Caithness
seems to cease after that date. In any case we may take it that he was a
near relation of Bishop William and owed his preferment to that prelate's
good offices with the Church in Orkney, or perhaps with the Sinclair family,
at that date Earls of Orkney as well as of Caithlless.
"However, as the next generation reveals two Orkney Moodies of native
growth, it is certain that the priest of Hoy was not the sole representative
of the Moodies in Orkney in his day.
"The second or, as I think more probable, the third generation of Orkney
Moodies, is represented by another William Mudie, who, in various years
after 1542, and perhaps before that date, practised as a lawyer at Perth,
Dunblane, and elsewhere. He is described as 'Clerk (clericus) of the diocese
of Orkney,' and 'Master of Arts', and on one occasion, at Kinloss, he
attests a charter in favour of the 'Mac'Intosh' of that day, along with
Robert Reid, Bishop of Orkney. He appears to have been a rolling stone, but
it is impossible to imagine a lawyer who does not gather something, and Mr.
William may have been the founder of the Mudies of Muir, in Perthshire, a
family who claimed an Orcadian connection.
"A more important Moodie of this generation is, however, a second Gilbert,*l
who, at some unknown date prior to 20th Jan. 1544, married Elizabeth,
daughter of Andrew Halcro of Halcro, the head of an Orkney family of old
standing, and at that date of large possessions. Halcro*2 was in South
Ronaldshay, the nearest of the Orkney Islands to Stroma and the eastern
parts of Caithness in general, and Gilbert was, I have little doubt, the
head of the family in his generation both in Orkney and Caithness. I have as
little doubt that he and his spouse, Elizabeth Halcro, were the parents of
that William Mudie of Breckness, 'Chalmerlane in Orknay to Oure Soverane
Lady,' to wit, Queen Mary, from whom and from whose spouse, Catherine
Sinclair, the descent of the Moodies of Melsetter can be traced without the
aid of conjecture."
The genealogy of the Melsetter family before the middle of the sixteenth
century was, therefore, probably as follows:-
Continued Here In My Genealogical Charts . . .
*1Reg. Mag. Sig.
*2The Moodie of Melsetter had lands in South Ronaldshay, at no great
distance from Halcro, probably obtained through this marriage.
Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95).
[A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time]
Mye Goodye Cosines,
I am going to post  long mails on this family. Sorry to those the
information might not apply
and any inconvenience in downloading the long posts. It should be a one of
set of posts.
Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95).
[A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time]
Can anyone tell me if Welbeck has a local newspaper or magazine - I am
trying to identify photo's of local identities and addresses of
photographers in the worksop -welbeck area.addresses like w.p.booth ,
bridge pl.worksop and vipond - worksop, the tree photo's are all framed by a
John White of W'sop and one is of four greys drawing the Dukes carriage with
the date of framing as 30 Nov 1905. Also does anyone know what happened
to Solicitors Eliot.G.Warburton, of 39 Potter St Worksop I have two wills
drawn up by this firm for the name of Thomas Lowe 1901 and Lilian Mary Lowe
in 1933.Would like to know if the firm is still in existence and if they
have records for these names.It is believed that Thomas was employed by the
Duke of Portland and later kept the Wheatsheaf public house-Worksop. Any
information would be so very gratefully received.
Tom & Pearl Cooper in Cool and sunny Tasmania.
I have just received a marriage certificate for my ancestors dated 1842. The
writing isn't very good and I'm having trouble reading the "professions".
The bridegroom looks as if she was a "Sou rapper" and her father a
"Stockinger" Can anyone help identify the real words and tell me what the
jobs actually were? Thanks for any help.
I have just found this in the 1881 census:
Institution: "Colewort Barracks" Portsmouth
Census Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341282 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1151 Folio 17
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas FERN U 29 M Nottingham, Nottingham, England
Occ: Private A S C
My grandfather said he used to stay at Windsor Castle (perhaps around 1870)
where his aunt was a housekeeper, and where servants (and their nephews)
would freeze facing the wall while a royal was in sight. How would a Notts
girl end up in that job? Where can one find records of royal servants?
Mye Goodye Cosines,
The Moodie surname is variously spelt as you will see. I must just
say again that I am not researching all lines of this family, but
mainly the direct male line which came to South Africa about 1800
or so. The book you want to get your hands on, is "The Moodie Book"
by the Marquis of Ruvigny and Raineval, and the others I shall
As far as I am told on the Moody Mail List, all these slight
variations of surname that you mentioned, are ALL the same family !.
That is important to know, if true, as all information will be
relevant to you eventually.
Something that might interest you a bit more, the first store-owner
in Melsetter, Zim., was a Frank Cannell, I have a picture of him and
family, @1898 or so. I also have to line to present day too, somewhere.
I am fairly closely related to these people too.
>>> Edmund Moody/Moodye/Moodie born in 1495 at Bury-St -Edmunds in
Suffolk and then moved to Moulton, Suffolk. <<<
I think I must send the  postings as there have been a few queries ?.
Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95).
[A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time]
The Lacemakers of Calais were a group of nearly 700 men, women and children
who had been working in the lace trade in Calais from 1818 on - in that
year Robert Webster smuggled, with Bonnington and Clarke, an Old
Loughborough machine into Calais - to beat the tarriffs. The English
established the trade there, and by the 1840s it was flourishing - then the
1848 revolution stopped all trade and the English ( and some had been in
Calais for 30 years) could either ride it out (some did) - go back to Notts.
Leics and Derby (some did) or apply to the British Govt to help them
immigrate to Asutralia - this lot were older than the Colonial Secretary
wanted, and too highly skilled - Australia needed labourers, not lacemakers.
By a complicated means, this large immigration took place at the end of
Have a look at www.angelfire.com/al/aslc/
The trade in Calais did survive 1848 and the descendant there in the 1870s
would probably having been working for an English firm there. A twist hand
runs the machines. The English disappeared from the trade in Calais but
even in 1945 there were still English names there - West & Oldham,
Attenborough, Barsby, Boot, Towlson.