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A William BLUNT (aged 40) his wife Ann (37) and their 6 young children
arrived in NZ from England in 1862 aboard the Echunga.
William had signed a promissory note for the voyage so was obliged to pay
it off. They lived in Christchurch until 1922 when they shifted to Hamilton.
After much research I have traced their movements but have two
questions for the list:-
(1) Are school records available between the years 1862 and 1890 for
(2) Are electoral records available 1862 to 1893 (I have them after that
Paul Darrall in Hamilton.
Hi Colleen, I remember a display at the Toitu Early Settlers Museum which
detailed the list of things passengers could bring with them on steerage at
least. I couldn't find the details of it when I looked but did find a very
good site under their site called Denise and Peter. I couldn't seem to open
an actual link to it (my computer is on a go-slow at the moment) but if you
go to the Toitu Museum site and under Research you will find it (along with
dozens of other useful sites.
Best of luck, Carolyn.
Does anyone please know if a site where I can see information on what it meant to be a cabin passenger coming from UK to NZ mid 1860s eg what food did they have to provide what was in cabins thanks Colleen
the recently published diaries of a Taranaki soldier, with letters & photos
which were taken by him. He was a Taranaki territorial, who enlisted in
Stratford in March, 1915. The army gave him the rank of sergeant, and posted
him to The Earl of Liverpool's Own regiment, a light infantry regiment. He
trained in Trentham, Rangiotu and Bainesse before sailing for Egypt in
October 1915, with the regiment & 7th reinforcements.
In Egypt the regiment was in action defending the Canal, and in the Libyan
Desert fighting the Turkish officered Senussi tribe. This lead to the
Gallipoli vets calling them "Dinkum soldiers. Shortened to "the Dinks", this
was the name that they were known as for the rest of the war. The NZ
Division was reorganised in Egypt. Two more battalions were added to the
regiment and it became 3rd NZ (Rifle) Brigade commanded by Brigadier ????.
The division sailed for France in April 1916.
The division saw action in Armentieres before going on to the Somme in
September 1916. There, Frank was wounded and repatriated to No 7 Hospital,
Rouen, and then to No 1 NZ General Hospital, Brockenhurst. He stayed at the
hospital until January 1917 when he was posted to the NZ Engineers to the
Light Railway Operating company. The company was operated by New Zealanders
and Canadians. It was based behind Ypres, and used to avoid the swamp which
was Flanders, and where road transport was difficult and slow. Frank's base
was Poperinge. He stayed there until the end of the war. One of his duties
was organising a very successful rugby team.
Frank returned to New Zealand with his brother, Sgt Cecil McDavitt, on the
Hororata in September 1919.
This book is of 234 pages and has nine pages of names of soldiers in various
units that Frank was associated with.
Cost $35.00 plus P&P.
Still have a few to sell if anyone is interested.
I’m looking to make contact with the family of Glenys HILL, who I
understand to have lived in the Rangiotu area in the 1920s.
This is in relation to a possible connection with an Ivan PICKERING.
Any lister with knowledge of arrival of SV "Weathersfield," Papers Past has my GGP Edwin Pointon arriving on this vessel. Family could have included wife Mary Jane, son Ebeneezer, George, and possibly Arthur and Charlotte Hatton (daughter). Basic info on this vessel in White Wings gives arrived WGTN 24/1/82 and AKL 10/12/82,Assitance to crack this brick wall appreciated. Les H. Napier
I'm trying to establish the birthplace of William Travers Paul and am wondering if this information is noted on birth or marriage certificates?
His daughter Mary Albion Paul was born in Wellington 1889. Mother was Susan Ann and William Travers Paul.
Mary Albion married 1909 George Matthews Ebbett.
There will be no marriage certificate of Susan Woodgate to William Travers Paul because she was still married to William Thomas Humphrey, so I need to look at the certificates of his children. His death certificate information was provided by his stepson and anything to do with his parents is ''not known''
If any of you have birth or marriage certs for 1889/1909 could you please tell me what information is included.
With thanksAnnieCentral Hawkes Bay
I have a missing person which has puzzled the family for many years, maybe
another set of eyes will see what we are missing.
George Berkley HEWSON born abt 1815 Simonstown Cape of Good Hope. Arrived
in NZ with his wife Sarah and three sons about the late 1850's after
burying his youngest son in 1854. They all lived in Auckland. His wife
Sarah passed away 22 Nov 1893, buried in Waikumete. Notice in the paper
says "Sarah Hamlin Hewson. relict of the late George Hewson, Cape of Good
Where is George, he must of died before 1893 but where??
The George Berkley Hewson buried in Glenfield is his grandson so don't get
There is a George in the BDM but the age and dates do not match. Have
checked Pastpapers, BMD, Cemeteries, Australia, NZ, Africa and England
where one of his sons went, he died 1885 Wandsworth England. In any of the
family notices in the paper, there is no mention of George, except Sarah's.
The only piece missing from the family is when did George die and where??
Any ideas or help would be much appreciated...Pam
I’m not sure how you could tell if he’s Maori, African or Australian aboriginal from mug shots, if he’s only half of any of those. If, perchance, this is your ancestor, you could answer the question once and for all by having a DNA test. Any of the three will provide a very distinct answer for any descendant!
You’ve got a snowball’s chance in hell (to put it mildly) to discover any record of his arrival in Australia were he born here. Victoria does have extensive records in their archives, which have been indexed (PROVIC) but they only cover the shipping records that were ever actually recorded… and trade between the two countries, certainly in *that* early time-frame for NZ history are haphazard. Not totally impossible, but please don't hold your breath. Given his history of care in institutions… I’d pretty much guess he and his Mum were not fare paying passengers, and odds on, if there is Maori, it is she that is responsible.
Ergo… the birth record… no necessity for Maori to register births under civil legislation at that time. I suppose some European women were impregnated by Maori men in that era… but it’s usually the other way around, historically.
Given the information that is coming to light that may match him… you just need to create an if>then>else. I’d use a spreadsheet, and document *by date order* every incidence… that may belong to him, then diligently work through that *single* name until you’re sure someone else hasn’t hatched/matched/despatched/ or appeared in any written document ~ ergo if you have a continual sequential date order… you can *presume* one person.
In the too hard basket? Again.. this is really only important if this is your brick wall on an ancestral trail. Do the DNA first… and get rid of the question of his non-Euro lineage.
On 24/11/2018, at 10:02 PM, new-zealand-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
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> From: "norman A" <narchibald3(a)bigpond.com <mailto:email@example.com>>
> To: <new-zealand(a)rootsweb.com <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 8:30 PM
> Subject: [nz]Joseph ARCHIBALD
>> Dear People,
>> According to hospital records in Victoria, Joseph ARCHIBALD was born in
>> New Zealand in 1856, half caste of Africa.
>> At the age of 26, Joseph was sentenced to 3 years gaol in Victoria.
>> As a result, I have a copy of his record which includes 2 “muck shots” of
>> him. (He doesn` look either Maori or African}
>> His gaol record records his birth year as 1856 or 1857 and his birth
>> New Zealand of Maori extraction. (no mention of Africa)
>> I have checked New Zealand BDM records and haven`t found any birth
>> Having little knowledge of the in`s and out`s of New Zealand records, I
>> have joined the list in the hope that someone with a knowledge of New
>> Zealand might advise me where I might find record of Joseph Archibald and
>> or how he arrived in Victoria with his mother Elizabeth as a baby?
>> Norman A.
Sorry Rosemary to use your message, but I cannot get any results from internet - how to subscribe to digest mode instead of individual messages. Is anyone able to help please?
Sent from my iPad
> On 23 Nov 2018, at 01:58, Doreen Hale <rosemaryhale(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> If you look closely, you will see that there is no headstone, what is visible is the back of the opposite stone. Look at the two to the left and you will see that there is no base or headstone on her plot. The concrete base is for two rows.
>> On 23/11/2018, at 2:06 PM, Pat Bulley via NEW-ZEALAND <new-zealand(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>> Dear Listers.
>> Many thanks to all who have replied with wonderful information including pictures of Isobel Stones grave stone.
>> How odd that there is no inscription.
>> As I mentioned earlier. She died in 1978, within living memory, so I wondered if anyone knew her or Miss Kite.
>> A few years ago, someone replied saying they had known her, but didn’t continue with any information as she had a family illness to deal with.
>> So I hope that there is still someone out there who can provide the info.
>> Many thanks again
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I am wondering if this person Pat Bulley, is the one whom I have *met* and
spoken too on BBC radio going back early 2000, but finally met her in
Carterton England in 2004 when I was there for the unveiling of the Blue
Plaque for their founder, William Carter! He was from the Poole Pottery
Family in Poole Dorset.
I was contacted by the BBC to talk to someone from Carterton UK.at this
time, I was the Secretary of Carterton District Historical Society here in
Carterton NZ, had to wait up till 3am in the morning to do the talk via the
telephone to the other person in Carterton England, wish I had got the tape
on the talk, as I think they wanted a true KIWI, they in fact got an ex
Londoner to do the talk, me! But thoroughly enjoyed the talk... then in
2004, I did the great trip home and was invited before I left Carterton NZ
to attend the unveiling of the Blue Plaque, by the Council there, met up
with Peter Seldon who had visited our Carterton here in NZ to give our
Historical Society a talk on his home town, Carterton, and he bought over
some of his books for us plus lovely china mugs off his town, still have
mine unused! In my travels I had arranged to meet up with an ex Carterton
NZ lady, Sonia nee Porter to stay with her and she and her husband took us
over to Carterton on the Day in question for the unveiling. Taken out to
lunch by Maurice and Joan CATT, yes related to the Catt in Carterton NZ, he
had hoped to visit but sadly never got here as his wife did not like flying
I believe. but, we all lunched at Burford, close by to Carterton, where one
of Carterton's (NZ) family came from, Pinfold. He also took us to Swerford
as I had instructions to visit there as John King who came to NZ with Samuel
Marsden came from there, and the Church there was opened up for us to view
the Plaque on the wall in memory of John King. During the unveiling back in
Carterton, very well attended by all the powers to be, big wigs from Oxford
as well, met them all.. Met up with Tony and Bill Carter, descended from
William Carter... they too have relations here in NZ.. I said to Peter
Seldon that day, is the lady there, am sure its Pat Bulley, she was, and did
I surprise her she had no idea I was to be in UK let alone her Carterton,
great to be able to put a face to the name..
Same trip I went to Brockenhurst to see the graves of the NZ Soldiers who
died there during WW1.. I have emailed her to see if one and the same
Will never forget my lovely trip to the other Carterton!
Many thanks to all who have replied with wonderful information including pictures of Isobel Stones grave stone.
How odd that there is no inscription.
As I mentioned earlier. She died in 1978, within living memory, so I wondered if anyone knew her or Miss Kite.
A few years ago, someone replied saying they had known her, but didn’t continue with any information as she had a family illness to deal with.
So I hope that there is still someone out there who can provide the info.
Many thanks again
Sent from my iPad
A few years ago I 'found' my long lost British great aunt Isabella Barbara STONE who left Bristol in 1927. She stopped off in Australia before going to New Zealand.
I found her buried in Ashburton Cemetery died 7/9/1975: buried 10/9/1975 (plot
1247) aged 78 years. I discovered that her faith was Jehova's Witness. I have
been searching for her for more than 15yrs, I have made little progress since so I am delighted that the search is fruitful, the family had no idea where she went!
Please. Is there anyone who can recall details - she never married - or is
anyone paying a visit to Ashburton and might be able to take a photograph of the grave, or find other details from the records if they are available to the
public? She is recorded as Isobel -not Isabella.
When she emigrated she was with a friend called Violet Naomi Lillian KITE who is
also buried in the cemetery plot 2275. She died 29/12/1986, aged 95. She was a
Minister in the Church of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Same request, can anyone provide any more details/photograph etc.
I e mailed the Minister of the .Jehovah’s witness church who found some people who knew her, but they didn’t get back to me because of family problems.
I also heard from
Michael Sheate Ashburton District Family History Group Cemetery Records Officer
But I have lost the contact. Mr Sheate , if you read this please get in touch. I would be grateful for any information.
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which part of keeping your tree private, to enable the search facilities it offers… do you not understand?????
The idiots that copy a family tree… without any research are just that…
~ but it’s really not justification to have your own tree on there, as a research tool/backup.
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Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 22:21:15 +1300
From: Littlemiracles <ppakes43(a)gmail.com <mailto:email@example.com>>
Subject: [nz]Re: ancestry.au <http://ancestry.au/> and saving to shoebox
To: New-zealand <new-zealand(a)rootsweb.com <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>>
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I have no confidence in Ancestries information. It gets transferred from
one tree to another and no one will bother to check if it is correct.
My ggrandfather managed to be born, marriage and died in three different
countries. I have the certificates that prove he never left NZ and neither
did his parents. I will never put anything on there as there is no privacy
or care taken with your information.
Mine is all kept in computer and saved to disc.
Good luck Pam
According to hospital records in Victoria, Joseph ARCHIBALD was born in New Zealand in 1856, half caste of Africa.
At the age of 26, Joseph was sentenced to 3 years gaol in Victoria.
As a result, I have a copy of his record which includes 2 “muck shots” of him. (He doesn` look either Maori or African}
His gaol record records his birth year as 1856 or 1857 and his birth place New Zealand of Maori extraction. (no mention of Africa)
I have checked New Zealand BDM records and haven`t found any birth record.
Having little knowledge of the in`s and out`s of New Zealand records, I have joined the list in the hope that someone with a knowledge of New Zealand might advise me where I might find record of Joseph Archibald and or how he arrived in Victoria with his mother Elizabeth as a baby?
I’m another with a very large private tree on ancestry, although it’s not as complete as my own data file. The only stuff I put in my shoebox is if it’s doubtful that it’s the right person… although before I put my tree on there and *attached* the ancestry matching documents, I had some other stuff in there, which I guess I’ve either incorporated or not corroborated.
Some of my previously shared family trees are on there, and I just don't really talk to those people any more because it pissed me off so much. But I never gedcommed them, so, at least, they had to manually data entry the stuff!!!
What I do do, if I’m in the mood, is correct erroneous data in the comments, on some trees, purely in the hope that someone else thinking of copying it might think twice if they see some things are majorly wrong. I recently did that to 12 trees, all bar one had the simple source “ancestry family tree” that had a vast family attributed to the husband of the ancestress… when the lads own birth registration was to his mother and named his father.
At least… if I ever lose my laptop, I know I have a great deal of my family tree accessible for any other computer. So a ancestry family tree, kept private, is a back up.
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All excellent reasons why one should never put up any information on Ancestry or any public tree! It goes against the grain not to share, but the downside is simply too great. For example, in one tree, my great grandmother is married to her son and in another case, is married to her father-in-law... I rest my case.
Greeting from Waipukurau
While we were living overseas a few years ago I had a subscription to ancestry worldwide. Many of the documents I researched related to relatives living in the USA and at the time I saved them to ancestry shoebox.
At the present I am subscribed to ancestry.au. and am unable to view those documents in shoebox without having a subscription to ancestry worldwide.
Having already paid to view them and because they are there in shoebox, I believe I should be able to see those documents at all times.
I contacted ancestry.au a few weeks ago about this, but they haven't replied.
Your thoughts pleasecheersAnnie