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I had an interesting experience here in Dunedin on Saturday.
A lady on the Victoria, Australia rootsweb list asked me to photograph a
grave for her in the Northern Cemetery in Dunedin. The grave was of her
great great grandfather's sister who left Victoria in 1862 and settled in
Dunedin with her New Zealand husband.
On Saturday I visited the cemetery and found the grave. There was a lady at
the grave putting on fresh flowers. The grave has four burials (according to
the headstone) and about five modern cremation plaques for recent ash
I explained to the woman why I was there but the lady refused to let me
photograph the grave. Her husband and son's ashes are buried there. She said
the grave is personal to her family and no business of the relative in
Australia who is not a direct descendant.
I know other cemeteries around New Zealand have bans on photographing graves
and as this lady was clearly upset I did not take the photograph and have
let the lady in Australia know. She wants me to go back and take the
photograph and there is no need for the woman to know.
What do other's think of this? What would others do in this situation?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <porcupine07(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: [nz] re graves
> If I dont find a headstone the first time around on visiting a certain
> cemetery, each time I get up there again, I always go back and search
> sometimes, we can be lucky... this area of Tararua, I am often around
> so keep your fingers crossed that one day I will find James! As this
> cemetery has very interesting graves, and one family that I have been
> researching for years, are buried there, whilst his parents are here at
> Clareville Cemetery.
> I do have the plans of the cemetery, but even as a local said yesterday,
> hard to find the actual markers up there on the graves, you have to be in
> the correct line or row to see them!
> I did find some of these names and photographed: Groube. Geange. Gillard.
> Mangatainoaka, descendants that I know off will be advised. thank you..
> Adele Pentony-Graham
> Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher
> Carterton Researcher.
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I have a Francis Woolcock Pye b. 1863 Howick m. 1895 Joanna Speechlay.
At least one son, Francis Woolcock Pye b. 1897
Also William Pye b. 1872 Howick m. 1901 Annie Speechlay
No known children.
If anyone knows this family (PYE or SPEECLAY), please could they let me
I am searching for anyone who has Paton/Patton ancestors that came to NZ from Northern Ireland and settled in and around the Dunedin area from the late 1840s - 1880s. If you are descended from a Paton/Patton I would be pleased to hear from you. Feel free to email me off-line.
Please, may I ask if you wish a photograph to be done of a certain grave
that is has a headstone!! I walked up and down today, at two cemeteries in
the hot sun, to no avail... only found one for AIM at Woodville Gorge
Cemetery.. Couldnt find the James Roberts at Mangatainoka... I found the
block numbers on ends of rows and the plot numbers... but could not find his
I find most cemeteries are hard to find certain graves unless athe cemetery
has a plan near the gates... sadly not in 9 times out of 10! Even if they do
have a plan, sometimes as Julia will vouch Karori we got lost with their
Just as well I checked for Roberts on the way up, as far too tired on way
home! I would say the temps were 26 today, with hardly any shade for the
tour, but still enjoyable! Up hill down Vale, oh so luck in Wairarapa, we
are on the flat for our cemeteries!
Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher
If anyone is visiting the main Christchurch Library or the Aotearoa New
Zealand Centre, and would be prepared to look up a death/funeral notice for
me, please contact me off-list for details. The period is June 1980.
Adele mentioned the new book about Brig.Gen. Hart of Carterton. I have a
newspaper clipping [unfortunately without name of paper or date] that says
"We notice by the New Zealander that Sister K Booth (dau. of Mr Alfred Booth
of Hawarden, Carterton) has the honour of being mentioned in General
We notice by the New Zealander published in London on January 31st that the
names of Brigadier-General Hart CMG.DSO and Birg-Gen Robert Young CMG.DSo.
(son of Rev. R Young of Carterton) are mentioned among others in Sir Douglas
Haig's dispatch for service from Feb to mid Sept 1918."
In Kate Booth's photograph album of her nursing days at Aotea Hospital in
Alexandra there is a photo of a grave with the wooden cross that stood until
CMWG put their standard stones on the graves. It is for Capt Arthur D
Herrick, of Wgtn Mt.Rifles k.I.a. 14/11/1917. Son of J L Herrick of Hawks
Bay. Any relative interested? I can email a copy.
Thanks Ian for the suggestion, will be spending the night glued to that sight. Wow.... what a lot of info thats available.
Thanks Doreen for the tip on Dannevirke. Was trying to decide where to go on holiday this year, Dannevirke here we come.
Just found Jens Pedersen and Karen , both buried in Makaretu, photo's of graves as well... yipee.
It is days like this that I regret working for my husband, otherwise I could ring up and take a sicky :-).
Grrrrr.... had better get ready for work.
Many thanks again
Chn of Patrick Joseph & Annie Amelia FORD/FORDE. Stanley Arthur-birth reg
Palmerston North, 1919,married Norma Jane NOBLE 1952, lived Hawkes Bay. No
birth found for Dorothy (could be a nick name), but in her father's death
notice in 1952, she is Mrs BOSLEY of Wanganui. Patrick died Auckland
1952;Annie Amelia died Hamilton 1951.
Any information is welcomed.
55c Broadway Nth
If you are going to get involved in Danish research then I suggest that
you subscribe to the Rootsweb DENMARK mailing list - there are a lot of
very helpful and knowledgeable people there.
You should also read the Denmark list FAQ website at <http://homepage.mac.com/sootica/Sites/DenmarkFAQ/index.html>
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:28:29 +1300, "linnybin" <linnybin(a)slingshot.co.nz>
> > Thanks Doreen and Shirley for the replies.
> > Would love any info on the Thorstenson's Shirley, that would be much
> > appreciated.
> > Was getting a bit confused on Karen's surname, Thorstenson or
> > Tostenson????
> > Karen born abt 1858, died 26 Nov 1934 and Jens on the 9 Feb 1914, but as
> > yet I don't know where
> > I have just started digging into this line, a Christmas present for a
> > friend. ( He has absolutley no idea he is of Danish roots)
> > Jens and Maria daughter Mary Cathlin/Kathleen married Ernest Henry
> > Gulliver in 1923 Maharahara, Woodville. (son of Thomas and Mary Gulliver)
> > Jens Christian Pederson b. 1846 Denmark, according to the IGI is the son
> > of Peder Jensen and Ane Kristine Christen(s)datter, Both of Vejle,
> Jens Rasmussen, according to Maria's birth cert was born in 1870
> ,Dannevirke. Makaretu according to IGI.
> First time I have delved into European research, so having a lot of fun.
> My birthday today, so have to go out to dinner. Would prefer to glue
> myself to the computer really but family rolling their eyes....
> again.....at me.
> All the best
Thanks Doreen and Shirley for the replies.
Would love any info on the Thorstenson's Shirley, that would be much appreciated.
Was getting a bit confused on Karen's surname, Thorstenson or Tostenson????
Karen born abt 1858, died 26 Nov 1934 and Jens on the 9 Feb 1914, but as yet I don't know where
I have just started digging into this line, a Christmas present for a friend. ( He has absolutley no idea he is of Danish roots)
Jens and Maria daughter Mary Cathlin/Kathleen married Ernest Henry Gulliver in 1923 Maharahara, Woodville. (son of Thomas and Mary Gulliver)
Jens Christian Pederson b. 1846 Denmark, according to the IGI is the son of Peder Jensen and Ane Kristine Christen(s)datter, Both of Vejle, Denmark.
Jens Rasmussen, according to Maria's birth cert was born in 1870 ,Dannevirke. Makaretu according to IGI.
First time I have delved into European research, so having a lot of fun.
My birthday today, so have to go out to dinner. Would prefer to glue myself to the computer really but family rolling their eyes.... again.....at me.
All the best
A mystery headstone at Clareville, is for George Sayers, yes with an S on
the end... his headstone, along with one for Harry Scott was removed from
beyond the fence to the old settlers area some years back.
No relation to Richard Burgess Sayer, I have his details thank you. He
married Jemima Oxenham, still cannot find her grave buried 1869.
George Sayers daughter, Mary Ann married a Mr George according to Papers
Past site! at the home of the bridegroom. by Rev Moir.
Now there were two Sayer(s) in this area of Carterton... but it its one with
the S on is the one I need.. he came from Brighton. Sussex..
He died of cancer in Greytown Hospital Dec. 1899. aged 69. He had been
married a few times, one wife suppsosedly be buried at Mount Street.
Wellington (Roman Catholic) Julia.. she died 1886. her headstone was paid
for by her 2 children.
Story has it, his wife, Mary bought the plot at Clareville, what happened to
her... where is she buried..
Information I have is from a lady who was searching for Mr Sayers back in
2003, and was able the other day to pass it on to Masterton Archives as they
had an enquiry for the same surname.
My enquirer has copies of death certificates for a Mary Ann Sayers of
Dalefield also has a bankruptcy July 1879
Mary Sayers was married to a Charles Wise., then George Sayers.
Perhaps one day this query will be settled once and for all.. at least he
has a headstone! He did not commit suicide as the media say, died of
For these two headstones to be put beyond the other graves, had me stumped,
but I still say, they were buried in the cemetery and the fence line has
changed over the years. Sad to leave the remains there, and move the
headstones, I would much rather the headstones to be returned to their place
of origin, on the actual graves!
Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher
It appears Telecom/xtra were down from 7pm. last night... couldnt get on
gmail either.. unless it was me!
Now if I find interesting graves on Sunday, will photograph as per usual and
let the list know... have one order for Mangatinoka, its on the way so that
is fine...and someone wants help at Woodville, hope its the Gorge cemetery
as there is a newer one in town. May get there.. will have friends in the
car with me. But one is used to be stopping here there and everywhere!
I still have to get to Martinborough for some folk... this year, ran out of
energy for day trips, to be honest, since the Cancer a few years ago, I
don't seem to have my same old energy back yet.... and the cost of petrol
detered me for a bit! Had to visit Masterton Archer St. Cemetery for Defence
HQ's the other day for Bernard Diamond's headstone. As some low lifes had
knocked the cross of the lovely old memorial.. they needed a photograph of
all the damage.. Bernard Diamond was awarded the VC back in the late 1800s,
I have his history.
Woodville Gorge Cemetery always have a tour when the month has 5 Sundays in
it, rain or shine... and attending these tours, one learns history! In some
cases I can put them in touch with extended family members..
Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher
I have a Jens Rasmussen b.1870 Makeretu/ Dannevirke who married Maria (Mary ) Pederson on the 14 Jan 1898 in Ashley Clinton.
Just wondering if anyone was researching these families. Seems the whole of Dannevirke married each other at the moment.
Maria was the daughter of Jens Christian Pederson and Karen Thorstenon = 1877 Waipawa. Hawkes Bay.
Is anyone researching this family who farmed in Te Pu near Rotorua?
Would like to hear from a Peter Dunn who wrote inquiring about his great grandfather William Costello on Rootschat.com.
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