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Posted on: General New Zealand Queries Board
Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/NewZealand/General?read=969
Surname: beams, luttrell, kinnaird
In 1902 Robert Henry Joseph BEAMS marr.Amel Emeline LUTTRELL in Tasmania.
The had 2 children there, and the rest were born in New Zealand. Mavis
Stanely Robert Henry b 1904, Phyllis Gladys 1907; Amel Jess 1910 marr.
Robert Lewis Kinnaird, Robert Henry 1912; Lilas Margaret 1916.
Any details about them and their descendants would be greatly appreciated,
can exchange comprehensive Luttrell family information.
I just wanted to let you know that due to the great response I
got I was pointed in the right direction to find Ruby Bellew. It turns
out that she was born in Hobart on Dec 16 1892 and her parents
were Patrick Francis Bellew and Elizabeth Annie Maslin. Their
marriage was found in the Tasmanian BDM records. Now the
search turns to them. There was no information given on the two of
them in the Tasmanian records so it may be that they transfered to
Tazy from another state or another country. If anyone has any info
on either of them it would be great but I'll keep looking.
Dave & Maryanne Pease
Dunedin, New Zealand
HI Fellow Listers
Seeking connections with the following twig on my tree.
James Devlin IRVING married Fanny Mathieson NICHOLSON on 7 October 1907 in
Parents of James were David IRVING and Laura DEVLIN. Parents of Fanny were
John Mathieson and Catherine Bruce NICHOLSON.
The IRVING side is my direct line and I therefore have quite a bit of info
on James' parents and other siblings. Apart from the above, I don't have
any further info on James and Fanny.
Hoping for a connection.
Caboolture, Queensland, Australia
I've added to the Page containing BIRTH NOTICES
from Early Auckland Newspapers, on my Web Site.
They are now from 1845 to 1855.. And 1863.
LOTS of Notices from all over New Zealand!
Can anyone help with this query, please?
White Wings and other sources state that the ship 'Adelaide' diverted to
Cape Town during its voyage to Wellington in 1839-40, so that a duel could
be fought between two of its male passengers. Nowhere that I have looked
gives the names of those involved. Having ancestors on the voyage who have
since produced occasionally stroppy descendants, I am wondering whether any
ancestor was involved! <G>.
The voyage is recorded in the diary of one Francis Thomas YATES (ATL
Manuscripts Collection) and Yates seemed to have had a running difference of
opinion with another passenger named RIDDIFORD during most of the voyage,
leading to Yates being forcibly restrained and having his rations withheld.
Yates is strangely quiet on the duel, so perhaps he was one of those
Does anyone have access to a source that gives the names of those involved?
Member of the NZ Society of Genealogists, #13995.
Member of the Oxfordshire Family History Society, #4089.
Oxfordshire (Fritwell/Ardley/Stoke Lyne/Souldern area):
BUTLER, BO(U)RTON, SMALLBONES, HOWELL
Sussex (Eastbourne/Fletching/East Grinstead/Etchingham):
LUXFORD, NICHOLAS, JASPER, HABGOOD, BUSBRIDGE
New Zealand: LUXFORD (All), BUTLER (South Taranaki),
LLOYD (Onehunga & Tauranga), MURPHY (Tauranga).
New pages tis morning include;
**Diary of James L. Bailey, Scotland to New Zealand via the vessel
Eden, with thanks to Judy Williams;
**Greytown, Wairarapa directory
**Index of the book 'Octavius Hadfield' mostly ecclesiastical people
**Letters Home from the Colony, (Bain interest) thanks to Shirley-Mae
**Kaiwarawara Directory 1883
**Johnsonville Directory 1885
**Palmerston North Firemen in the 1800's
Thank you for posting your list of names on the "Swiftsure". Looking at the
dates, John WEBLEY would be John Samuel WEBLEY who went to Auckland instead
of Nelson like the rest of the family.
While not exactly a "long lost", it does give me some more details - so
thank you again
Jim & Bev Payne
From: Ivan Dominikovich [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: 29 July 2000 2:33 p.m.
Subject: [NZ] Re: NEW-ZEALAND-D Digest V00 #202
While searching for my wifes G.Grandfathers David DOWNS history, I obtained
from N.Z. National Archives a copy of his arrival in Auckland New Zealand.
Aboard the Swiftsure ex Melbourne on the 17th february 1864.
I enclose the names on the list with his.
They all volunteered to serve in the Auckland Militia in the Waikato War.
Posted on: General New Zealand Queries Board
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Surname: McClure family, Hillis family, Chesney family
Greetings from Canada: I am tracing all descendants (male and female) of
a large County Antrim family - the McClure's. They come from the area around
Ballymena - Ahoghill and Portglenone. Some of the missing "branches" went
to New Zealand and Australia at various times. The Hillis and Chesney families
have several direct and indirect connections.
Is anyone working on these families or is willing to help out? If anyone
has lost families in Ontario, Canada I am willing to help you in exchange.
Thank you and cheers - Brian
Posted on: General New Zealand Queries Board
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Alva Garron (maiden name) of Westport, Nova Scotia, Canada is looking for
Shona Parker (maiden name) of Westport, NZ. They were penpals during their
schoolgirl days. Shona would be about 75 years of age.
This is a very informative article about the upcoming availability of the
1901 Census. Thank you for sending it to us.
in very sunny, Regina, SK, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivan Dominikovich <ivand(a)orcon.co.nz>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 9:04 PM
Subject: [NZ] 1901 Census
> From: Dave Ogden [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:15 AM
> To: STAFFORDSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [STS] Census on line?
> PRO Press Release :-
> 1901 Census Project
> The 1901 Census for England and Wales was taken on 31 March 1901. The
> population at the time was over 32 million. The 1901 Census returns will
> made available for public consultation on the first working day of January
> 2002. The Public Record Office (PRO) has awarded a contract to the Defence
> Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA) to digitise the returns and make
> available electronically via the Internet from that date.
> Why is it being done ?
> The PRO's vision is to make our services and records available
> electronically on-site and remotely via the Internet. This will mean that
> our services will be more widely available to users and potential users in
> the UK and world-wide. Many users find it expensive to travel to the
> south-east and many are simply unable to get to our reading rooms because
> domestic or work commitments. Digitising the census returns - one of our
> most popular sources for family history research - is a significant step
> towards achieving our vision.
> Education is a key national priority and the census is an excellent source
> for schoolchildren and other educational users. By digitising the 1901
> Census and making it available over the Internet we can reach schools up
> down the country. It would not be practical to accommodate large groups of
> schoolchildren at the Family Records Centre (FRC).
> Service at the FRC
> Visitor numbers at the FRC continue to rise. In the first 18 months after
> opening (March 1997) there was a 69% increase in visits to the PRO's
> rooms alone. On current trends of use we will be at saturation point by
> 2003 - and this is without the impact of the release of the 1901 Census
> returns! Increased visits will mean high pressure on facilities and
> services, and queues at peak times. Digitising the 1901 Census returns
> help us start to reduce the pressure on these services.
> What does digitising mean?
> Digitising the 1901 Census returns comprises three elements:
> Electronic images of the pages of the 1901 Census. The images will be
> scanned from the archival microfilm copy of the returns which will result
> a high quality image.
> An index that allows the user to access and navigate the data more
> and readily than by traditional means. Further elements beyond name and
> place may be searchable and/or shown in the information returned from a
> search. The index will link directly to the images of the returns.
> The images and index will be available over the Internet and also online
> institutions including the FRC.
> How will we do it?
> With 32 million names on about 1.5 million pages digitising the 1901
> is a huge task, one beyond the resources of the PRO. This is why we have
> entered into a commercial partnership with DERA who have a great deal of
> experience in information technology. The contract was awarded in October
> 1999 for a ten year term and work on the scanning and transcription is
> The transcription will be undertaken by Enterprise Supply Services (ESS)
> a sub-contractor for DERA. ESS is an agency of the Prison Service, which
> runs a number of commercial businesses including data processing. These
> businesses are run and managed to fully professional commercial standards
> and they are fully ISO9000 quality approved. Some census street indexes
> in the past been successfully produced by a forerunner of ESS for the PRO
> and county record offices. We are well aware that the transcription is the
> key element of the 1901 Project and we have put in place a series of
> measures and checks to ensure a very high standard to the finished
> Only fully trained operators who have demonstrated consistent accuracy
> be used. No transcript can be 100% accurate but ESS will aim to get as
> to that as possible. All entries will be double keyed - i.e. literally
> in twice, by different operators, and one operator will not know who the
> other operator is; software will be used to check any inconsistencies
> between the two versions and trained personnel will seek to resolve the
> inconsistencies. The transcript will then be checked by ESS. The work by
> will be checked again by DERA using a team led by a professional quality
> engineer. It will then be checked by the PRO's own Quality Assessment team
> led by expert staff.
> 1891 Pilot
> Another key element of the project is a pilot using the 1891 returns for
> Norfolk. Our aim is to have the pilot service available over the Internet
> the Spring of 2001. This will give users an opportunity to help us test
> various parts of the service as part of the pilot.
> Charging arrangements
> The basic principle for deciding on the level of fees is that it should be
> set to recover the full costs of the service. We believe that we will
> achieve this proper recovery of costs by making the service as inexpensive
> as possible to maximise its use. If the success of the service is such
> more income is received than is required to cover the costs of the 1901
> census, then it will be invested in digitising the other censuses. We are
> underwriting some of the costs and have continuing costs of setting up and
> running the project.
> Charging levels
> The charges detailed below are indicative only and may well change before
> 2002. Some are still under consideration but we feel it important to give
> users some idea of the levels of charges we are proposing for the various
> 1. Free index
> There will be free access to a basic index which will allow users to
> by name and place. Further elements beyond name and place may be
> and/or shown in the information returned from a search This part of the
> index can be searched as many times as you like free of charge.
> 2. Viewing a transcription
> To view a full transcription of the details of an individual will probably
> cost about 50p.
> 3. Viewing an image
> If you wish to view an image of a page we expect it to cost about 80p. If
> you have the appropriate facilities at home you may wish to print the
> 4. Minimum advance purchase
> The cost of administration makes it uneconomic to charge in very small
> so there will a minimum payment in advance for charged searches and
> This will probably be about £5 and will buy you multiples of transcripts,
> advanced searches or images. For example, having paid the advance charge
> would be able to view around ten transcripts. However, anything beyond the
> first £5 will be simple pay-as-you-go at the cost of each individual
> Regular users will be able to set up their own accounts and high volume
> users will benefit from reduced search and copy charges. There will also
> special accounts for institutions who wish to provide the online service.
> Methods of payment
> We expect most users of the Internet to pay by credit or debit card but we
> will also arrange for you to set up an account by cheque or postal order.
> the FRC (and probably at other institutions) we will accept cash.
> Access to microfiche
> We will provide access to a set of microfiche of the returns along with
> standard finding aids in our reading rooms at Kew (on a similar basis to
> other microform records). In addition we will, as usual, be making
> microfiche available for sale to local record offices and relevant
> libraries. We recognise that there is currently some expressed demand for
> microfiche and in 2002 we will review the sale of microfiche beyond record
> offices and libraries.
> Consultation and communication
> Regular public briefings have been a feature of the project and will
> continue throughout the next two years. A list of public talks and events
> featuring members of the 1901 team is available on the web site or from
> contact point (see General Information below). We have also established a
> panel to advise us on the development of the service. The following
> organisations are represented:
> Federation of Family History Societies
> Society of Genealogists
> Guild of One-Name Studies
> Association of Genealogists and Record Agents
> British Association for Local History
> University of Essex
> Minutes of the meetings of the Advisory Panel are posted on the web site
> displayed on the 1901 notice board at the FRC.
> The Most Frequently Asked Questions by our users
> Why not sell CD-ROMs of 1901?
> To put the whole 1901 service (with the images) onto CD-ROM would
> require around 1000 discs and we do not see that as a viable option. We
> realise that other technologies are emerging but we cannot predict which
> will be in common use in 2002 and beyond.
> What about people who cannot use computers?
> Currently around 25% of FRC users may not use computers (although this
> not mean that they are not capable of doing so). We expect the proportion
> reduce and we also expect the 1901 system to be user friendly. Libraries
> other agencies will be increasing the opportunity to learn about computers
> for all citizens, not just the young and those in work or education. At
> PRO (Kew) we have recently opened an Internet Café where users (first
> and regulars) can 'surf the net'.
> We have proposed to the Federation of Family History Societies that we
> forces to address the needs of those unfamiliar with computers and will be
> discussing options with our Advisory Panel.
> What about people without Internet access?
> We are very much aware that some people do not currently have ready
> access. This is less of a problem within the family history community - up
> to 45% of FRC users already have some kind of access, according to our
> surveys - but it is still an issue. Firstly, we will be providing around
> terminals at the FRC. Secondly, we will be facilitating access at local
> libraries and record offices. Provision of Internet access generally at
> locations such as libraries is a key element in government policy and we
> expect it to be much more common in 2002. Thirdly, we expect that personal
> and public Internet access will be much more widespread by 2002 and will
> probably have become even more user-friendly. Telephone charges for
> use may also have become cheaper. In the longer term there will probably
> easy access via e.g. digital TV
> Will the system cope with all the demand?
> We have learnt from the experience of other popular sites, eg
> www.familysearch.org and we are well aware that there could be huge
> in the service from Day 1.
> What happens if there is an error in the transcription and I waste money
> a result?
> If an error in transcription leads a user to look at pages in error then
> costs will be refunded. One of the strengths of the online service will be
> the facility to make corrections in case of errors in transcription.
> What if I want to view a lot of images in one sequence e.g. a village?
> This is an issue, which is linked to certain types of research. We are
> of it, we are discussing it with our Advisory Panel and we are seeking a
> solution together with DERA.
> General information
> Regular information is available on the PRO web site. If you would like to
> join our mailing list please send your details to Public Record Office,
> Ruskin Avenue, Kew, TW9 4DU or email 1901census(a)pro.gov.uk. If you wish to
> speak to someone about the project contact Margaret Brennand (tel: 020
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