FYI, Nola...
According to the List Pop (Paul), he's been having mucho problems
with the Mailman (list software) - resulting in my original message
never showing up on the list. Hence, he instructed me to resend, and
said he would delete any duplicates sent earlier .... which
apparently he forgot to do. ;)
From the looks of it, he selected the "Accept," rather than the
"Discard" button, hence posting duplicates of one message to the list.
Since I don't administer the ncgenweb lists, all I can do is follow
the List Pop's instructions and hope for the best. Sometimes "the
best" doesn't happen. Sorry 'bout that. ;)
-Sandy
On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Nola wrote:
Folks,
I am sorry but when things get heated and repetitive, others react
negatively and complain about having to read messages. People are
tired
from all the extra work brought on by recent events and the fatigue is
showing. Please be considerate of what you are forcing others to
read.
While members can and have unsubbed from the Discuss-L they can
not unsub
from the mandatory list. However, both can be moderated. It is an
extreme measure but if it is needed to cool things down, it will be
done.
Any personal issues MUST be taken off list.
Nola
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy" <teylu(a)earthlink.net>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] which RW sites have you copied?//
Re:RootsWeb
and status of xxGenWeb entities
>
> Derick, whether you "mis-wrote," or I "mis-read," if either is
the
> case I'm certainly glad to hear it. However, perhaps if you re-read
> what you wrote, you will recognize how you came to be misunderstood:
>
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Derick Hartshorn <DerickH(a)charter.net>
> wrote:
>> I note that the Project page:
>>
http://www.usgenweb.org/projects/index.shtml continues to point
>> to RW
>> server pages that house an enormous amount of our data.
>> I have yet to hear from national how this issue will be addressed.
>> Most of these Projects are rooted in the county level.
>> I have personally taken it on my own to "adopt" these county
>> Projects
>> to my newly-housed pages, in effect, duplicating the Project pages.
>> There is no doubt that our benevolent sponsors have taken actions to
>> retain these rich resources for some later use, commercial or
>> whatever.
>>
>> There is a pressing need to act with haste to protect our resources
>> from the threat of unauthorized use. Yet, I have not witnessed any
>> concrete action by national.
>>
>
>
> -Sandy
>
> ------>>>
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Derick Hartshorn wrote:
>
>> Sandy,
>>
>> I believe you mis-read me. I only uploaded my own sites.
>> I would certainly NEVER upload anyone elses site.
>>
>>
>>> I asked you previously and you did not respond, so I am asking you
>>> again --
>>> exactly which county sites have you copied and uploaded elsewhere,
>>> and exactly where have you uploaded them?
>>
>> I have uploaded and made serious changes to my own sites: Cleveland,
>> Gaston and Lincoln.
>> Burke and Catawba are next in line. I will not be deleting my RW
>> sites until everything is up and working.
>> This involves removing all credit logos, updating dead links, adding
>> stuff I wouldn't want harvested and fixing the "last updated"
>> scripts.
>> With 10,644 GenWeb pages, I am busy.
>>
>>
>>> Have you done this to every site remaining on Rootsweb?
>>> Did you first obtain the permission of each of CC before copying
>>> his/
>>> her site and uploading it elsewhere?
>>
>> Read above. I've got enough work with my sites without worrying
>> about
>> somebody elses.
>>
>>> The decision of where to place a county web site is *solely*
>>> that of
>>> the county coordinator. Those who choose to stay on Rootsweb have
>>> every right to do so, just as did those who chose never to place a
>>> site on Rootsweb. Disagreement with someone else's decision
>>> does not
>>> give you the right to copy that person's website or any of its
>>> contents - and upload it to the server of _your_ choice.
>>
>> Again, read above.
>>
>>> Exactly which sites did you copy, and what are the URLs where you
>>> have uploaded them?
>>
>>
www.ncgenweb.us/cleveland/index.htm
>>
www.ncgenweb.us/gaston/index.htm
>>
www.ncgenweb.us/lincoln/index.htm
>>
>> --Derick
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Sandy
>>>>
>>>
>>> -------- original message -------
>>>
>>>> On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Derick Hartshorn
>>>> <DerickH(a)charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since receiving any response from BOARD-L seems to be an
>>>>> exercise in
>>>>> futility, I am addressing each member individually.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a proud member of the NCGenWeb Project, we have taken positive
>>>>> actions regarding the threat we are faced with.
>>>>> Messages from USGWP and BOARD-L seem to be dominated by
>>>>> whether or
>>>>> not to incorporate or to propose a motion or withdraw it.
>>>>> You folks seem to be bound up in a bureaucracy that seems to be
>>>>> unable to arrive at a consensus, let alone, advising and
>>>>> informing
>>>>> Project members.
>>>>> Meanwhile, 37 states have chosen to move their sites to
>>>>> independent
>>>>> servers without any seeming help or guidance from our national
>>>>> organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> I note that the Project page:
>>>>>
http://www.usgenweb.org/projects/index.shtml continues to point
>>>>> to RW
>>>>> server pages that house an enormous amount of our data.
>>>>> I have yet to hear from national how this issue will be
>>>>> addressed.
>>>>> Most of these Projects are rooted in the county level.
>>>>> I have personally taken it on my own to "adopt" these
county
>>>>> Projects
>>>>> to my newly-housed pages, in effect, duplicating the Project
>>>>> pages.
>>>>> There is no doubt that our benevolent sponsors have taken
>>>>> actions to
>>>>> retain these rich resources for some later use, commercial or
>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a pressing need to act with haste to protect our
>>>>> resources
>>>>> from the threat of unauthorized use. Yet, I have not witnessed
>>>>> any
>>>>> concrete action by national.
>>>>> I have voted for AB representatives since the very first USGWP
>>>>> election. Based on the actions these elected officials have thus
>>>>> far
>>>>> taken, I lack confidence in them.
>>>>> Whether or not the USGenWeb Project succumbs to the commercial
>>>>> interests who have made their intentions clear, I don't know.
>>>>> Whether or not the USGenWeb Project incorporates as a 401(c)(3)
>>>>> is a
>>>>> moot point.
>>>>> The protection and preservation of the information that each and
>>>>> every member has contributed to the USGWP is of paramount
>>>>> importance.
>>>>> My question is: WHAT ARE YOU FOLKS DOING ABOUT IT???
>>>>>
>>>>> If the national Project follows the example set by the NCGenWeb
>>>>> Project, the continued concept of FREE GENEALOGY is assured.
>>>>> If our USGWP elected officials continue to diddle and fuss about
>>>>> Rules of Order, to the exclusion of concrete action on this
>>>>> pressing
>>>>> threat, we doomed to fracture and dissipation and become another
>>>>> Internet has-been.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you generals and admirals do nothing else, how about
>>>>> communicating
>>>>> with the soldiers and sailors who are doing their best to fight
>>>>> this war.
>>>>>
>>>>> Derick S. Hartshorn
>>>>> Former NC State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Project
>>>>> Current USGenWeb Project-County Coordinator
>>>>> Catawba/Burke/Lincoln/Gaston/Cleveland, NC
>>>>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/
>>>>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/
>>>>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nclincol/
>>>>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgaston/
>>>>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncclevel/
>>>>>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nhcamher/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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