From Diane's message to this list:
[me]><Since these 24 or 25 people do not however
constitute a majority of the CCs, in deference to Diane's
complaint I am
willing for discussion of these issues to continue on the NCGENWEB-DISCUSS
list if she or anyone else feels that more should be said. Shall we say
until January 15th?. At this time we will reassess whether we are ready
for a vote.>
[Diane]>Now what I am hearing is that we have to vote on whether or not we can
discuss topics on the discuss list?
NO, you are hearing that I am willing to let you continue the discussion of
the domain name and incorporation issues on this (-DISCUSS) list, for the
next month, despite the fact that most of the people who voted were opposed
to this, and that we will then consider whether we are ready for a vote ON
THESE ISSUES, i.e. whether or not to register the domain name and to
incorporate. This is exactly what YOU wanted to do, and I am making this
offer in order to keep peace in the project.
Yes I did say that I objected to the vote and ballot to you in writing
more
than once. You even replied to two of my messages on dec 1 and dec 3.
That was after the vote had begun, in a public complaint to the whole list.
I gave you an opportunity to communicate with me privately prior to
starting the vote, regarding what was going to be on the ballot. You
ignored this.
As a matter of fact I filed a complaint with Brigette about that very
thing.
I then I
filed the same complaint with Yvonne and Holly. I was basically ignored by
both.
I have since written a complaint to the acting NC for the problem with
having my grievance against this election process ignored.
None of these people has contacted me, nor did you cc: these complaints to me.
Of course I didn't discuss the current Vote while it was in
process. That
is the point it was already in process. Discussion was cut short in favor
of a rushed
vote.
I filed my complaint during this times as I said above and it was ignored
all this time by my Reps.
During that dry spell, you filed a complaint against me. You accuse me of
misrepresenting you and I believe I proved to all involved that I did Not
misrepresent you. You were angry that I went to the ALL list with my local
issues, however I must point out that you had said to take the discussion
there more than once, I recall.
While a grievance against me was in process I did not think it time for me
to be communicating with you or the list. Therefore I did not post. As a
matter of fact, I do not consider it settled yet.
I have never filed a grievance against you. I asked for MEDIATION on the
issue of whether you misrepresented me on the -ALL list. I did grant
Bridgett the permission to follow through on this as she saw fit, but her
action was to ask us to try to settle it privately rather than bring it to
the level of a grievance. She also asked us both to refrain from posting
NC business to the -ALL list for the next month, a request that you have
already violated several times.
I did not undermine my own complaint by not voting, I could not in
good
conscious participate in a
manipulated and forced election.
Fairness also means allowing discussion for all not just a few. You know
American would never have gained it independence if discussion and dissent
had not been allowed. These are the standards we live by in the real world.
If you wanted to be fair you would help create a governing body for No Car
to set up elections and make decisions that are fair to all.
I'm working toward that, but am getting frustrated at every turn by your
refusal to accept a democratic process. The point of the first referendum
was to establish who can vote. The point of the second referendum was to
establish where we would continue discussion, and to deal with the current
issues on the table. Because you wouldn't believe that most of the CCs
didn't want to discuss the domain name and incorporation on NCGENWEB, I
used that referendum to assess what the majority opinion really was. I got
an answer, by a fair and secret ballot, which you now refuse to accept
because yours appears to be a minority view.
We now have a forum in which to continue discussion of whatever issues need
protracted discussion, and all subscribers are free to post whatever they
like to this list, discussion, dissent, or anything else short of personal
attacks.
We do need by-laws and a formal mechanism by which decisions can be made
for NCGenWeb, but this kind of structure doesn't magically happen
overnight. It's going to require work, more discussion, and probably
several more rounds of voting. As soon as the -DISCUSS list was set up, I
suggested that we begin discussion in this direction. Nobody so far has
taken me up on that offer. I think my next move is going to be creation of
a committee to guide the discussion with the ultimate goal of drafting
by-laws. I am open to suggestions as to who should serve on this
committee.
Elizabeth Harris
ncgen(a)mindspring.com
state coordinator for NCGenWeb:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/