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Well, before everybody jumps the gun just because Derick made an
"announcement," of "NCGenWeb page changes," I'm posting my
*response* here until Paul sends it through to our state list.
Unfortunately, the full project is not subbed to this list, so many
people will likely think they're supposed to change links. Not to
mention that Derick made his "announcement" to two county lists in
*addition* to the statewide NCGenWeb List.
My response:
> Denise -what happened? When did we make a decision to move our
> state project site? The last I recall, or can find, was a call for
> discussion:
>
> On Mar 9, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Denise Woodside wrote:
> As a group, we have only one decision to make, and that is whether
> or not we want to continue housing the NCGenWeb site on Rootsweb.
> With regards to this decision, I would like to open up discussion
> on this matter on ncgenweb-discuss. As always, those who do not
> sub to the discuss list can follow any dicussions on the mailing
> list archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCGENWEB-
> DISCUSS/.
>
> What happened? Did I miss the vote?
>
> Derick -- fyi, the national project has been at http://
> www.usgenweb.org/ for years. Nobody needs to change their link. ;)
> And while I'm sure we're all aware of your viewpoint concerning RW,
> I think it's worth remembering that there are more than 100
> counties in NCGenWeb, and some of them *are* located on RW. Just
> because someone else's choice is not yours, does not make their
> choice anything less than the right choice for them.
>
> -Sandy
---original message----
>
>> From: Derick Hartshorn <DerickH(a)charter.net>
>> Date: April 11, 2008 12:08:10 PM CDT
>> To: CATAWBA-WEST-L <CATAWBA-WEST(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Cc: "ncgenweb-l(a)rootsweb.com" <ncgenweb-l(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Subject: [NCGENWEB] NCGenWeb page changes
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Behind the scenes, members of the USGenWeb Project on every level,
>> state, county and local, have been involved in a massive project.
>> While my work and that of other County Coordinators has been
>> virtually transparent, it has involved a great deal of effort you may
>> not have noticed.
>> This has been necessitated due to a corporate policy change by The
>> Genealogy Network, owner of RootsWeb. They have freely housed our
>> sites for a dozen years and have been responsible for the rapid
>> growth of the genealogical pursuits we all enjoy.
>>
>> The acquisition of RootsWeb by The Genealogy Network, corporate owner
>> of Ancestry.com and others genealogical entities, is a step designed
>> to reflect their responsibility to their stockholders. Obviously,
>> RootsWeb provides no tangible profit to their bottom line. Their
>> decision to make RootsWeb a closer affiliate of their genealogical
>> family was a logical corporate decision. You may also note that the
>> Rootsweb URL you are accustomed to seeing now has the Ancestry.com
>> name consolidated within it. The implications go beyond just an
>> address change and the addition of an Ancestry.com banner at the top
>> of each page hosted by RootsWeb.
>>
>> The changes recently made by the USGenWeb Project to seek other
>> hosting arrangements were necessitated by the need affect independent
>> control of the USGenWeb Project. To assuage the concerns of each
>> individual state and local Project member and to ensure the concept
>> of free genealogy, this major hosting change was made in accordance
>> with the USGenWeb Project bylaws, as stated in Article II
>> (http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/bylaws.shtml). This could only be
>> accomplished by separating ourselves from our commercial benefactor
>> and making provisions for independent control. This is not to say
>> that any RootsWeb pages were under any direct threat of being
>> compromised or taken over by a commercial entity. The opportunities
>> that TGN has provided during the last decade for free server space
>> has been a boon to all of us and their sponsorship has been
>> appreciated by all page hosts and users. Ultimately, the USGenWeb
>> Project will continue to act in behalf of all those who have come to
>> rely on this organization for the ultimate source of free
>> genealogical resources.
>>
>> - The USGenWeb Project home page can now be found at: http://
>> www.usgenweb.org/
>> - The NCGenWeb Project, following the lead of our national
>> organization, can now be found at: http://www.ncgenweb.us/
>> - Along with that move, the USGenWeb Archives are now housed at:
>> http://www.usgwarchives.org/
>> - The NCGenWeb Archives can be found at: http://usgwarchives.org/
>> nc/ncfiles.htm
>>
>> The pages that I maintain have also been moved as follows:
>> - Catawba has moved to http://www.ncgenweb.us/catawba/
>> - Burke has moved to http://www.ncgenweb.usncburke/
>> - Lincoln has moved to http://www.ncgenweb.us/clincoln/
>> - Gaston has moved to http://www.ncgenweb.us/gaston/
>> - Cleveland has moved to http://www.ncgenweb.us/cleveland/
>> - City of Conover has moved to http://www.ncgenweb.us/conover/
>>
>> Please change your bookmarks accordingly. Individual links will
>> continue to bear the same page address (i.e. xxx.htm).
>>
>> I voluntarily maintain over 10,000 genealogical web pages. The
>> majority of these have required revisions to reflect the new servers.
>> I have also added corrections, additions and scripts to make them as
>> helpful as possible. I solicit the help of all page users in
>> reporting bad links, missing images and non-functioning applications.
>> Nothing is too insignificant.
>>
>> At the same time, I am anxious to receive any new resources that
>> users might be willing to share. Any and all suggestions are also
>> solicited.
>> Thanks also to those who have come to rely on the USGenWeb Project
>> for their "one-stop" genealogical experience.
>>
>> Derick S. Hartshorn
>> Proud member of the USGenWeb Project
>>
If anyone one the list uses FP extensions to post web pages, please contact me off list if you can help a fellow CC who is having difficulty understanding how to change the address in the "publish to" portion. Since I have never used FP extensions, I have not been able to help.
Thanks,
Nola
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina S. Vickery" <tsvickery(a)gmail.com>
<snip>
>> Forwarded as requested. Please share as appropriate with Project lists.
>>
>>
>> Tina Vickery
>> National Coordinator
>> USGenWeb Project
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Tina,
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you communicate to coordinators of USGenWeb pages hosted on
>> RootsWeb
>> that we will be including the planned mastheads later than the mid-April
>> date previously communicated? I hope to be able to get a specific plan
>> and timeline for you to distribute by the end of the week. I just wanted
>> to reassure everyone that we would not be making the changes until we
>> communicate this timeline.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David Graham
>>
This is a test.
I cannot seem to get a message posted to either list.
Anybody else having this problem?
-Sandy
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Folks,
I am sorry but when things get heated and repetitive, others react
negatively and complain about having to read messages. People are tired
from all the extra work brought on by recent events and the fatigue is
showing. Please be considerate of what you are forcing others to read.
While members can and have unsubbed from the Discuss-L they can not unsub
from the mandatory list. However, both can be moderated. It is an
extreme measure but if it is needed to cool things down, it will be done.
Any personal issues MUST be taken off list.
Nola
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy" <teylu(a)earthlink.net>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] which RW sites have you copied?//Re:RootsWeb
and status of xxGenWeb entities
>
> Derick, whether you "mis-wrote," or I "mis-read," if either is the
> case I'm certainly glad to hear it. However, perhaps if you re-read
> what you wrote, you will recognize how you came to be misunderstood:
>
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Derick Hartshorn <DerickH(a)charter.net>
> wrote:
>> I note that the Project page:
>> http://www.usgenweb.org/projects/index.shtml continues to point to RW
>> server pages that house an enormous amount of our data.
>> I have yet to hear from national how this issue will be addressed.
>> Most of these Projects are rooted in the county level.
>> I have personally taken it on my own to "adopt" these county Projects
>> to my newly-housed pages, in effect, duplicating the Project pages.
>> There is no doubt that our benevolent sponsors have taken actions to
>> retain these rich resources for some later use, commercial or
>> whatever.
>>
>> There is a pressing need to act with haste to protect our resources
>> from the threat of unauthorized use. Yet, I have not witnessed any
>> concrete action by national.
>>
>
>
> -Sandy
>
> ------>>>
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Derick Hartshorn wrote:
>
>> Sandy,
>>
>> I believe you mis-read me. I only uploaded my own sites.
>> I would certainly NEVER upload anyone elses site.
>>
>>
>>> I asked you previously and you did not respond, so I am asking you
>>> again --
>>> exactly which county sites have you copied and uploaded elsewhere,
>>> and exactly where have you uploaded them?
>>
>> I have uploaded and made serious changes to my own sites: Cleveland,
>> Gaston and Lincoln.
>> Burke and Catawba are next in line. I will not be deleting my RW
>> sites until everything is up and working.
>> This involves removing all credit logos, updating dead links, adding
>> stuff I wouldn't want harvested and fixing the "last updated" scripts.
>> With 10,644 GenWeb pages, I am busy.
>>
>>
>>> Have you done this to every site remaining on Rootsweb?
>>> Did you first obtain the permission of each of CC before copying his/
>>> her site and uploading it elsewhere?
>>
>> Read above. I've got enough work with my sites without worrying about
>> somebody elses.
>>
>>> The decision of where to place a county web site is *solely* that of
>>> the county coordinator. Those who choose to stay on Rootsweb have
>>> every right to do so, just as did those who chose never to place a
>>> site on Rootsweb. Disagreement with someone else's decision does not
>>> give you the right to copy that person's website or any of its
>>> contents - and upload it to the server of _your_ choice.
>>
>> Again, read above.
>>
>>> Exactly which sites did you copy, and what are the URLs where you
>>> have uploaded them?
>>
>> www.ncgenweb.us/cleveland/index.htm
>> www.ncgenweb.us/gaston/index.htm
>> www.ncgenweb.us/lincoln/index.htm
>>
>> --Derick
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Sandy
>>>>
>>>
>>> -------- original message -------
>>>
>>>> On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Derick Hartshorn <DerickH(a)charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since receiving any response from BOARD-L seems to be an
>>>>> exercise in
>>>>> futility, I am addressing each member individually.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a proud member of the NCGenWeb Project, we have taken positive
>>>>> actions regarding the threat we are faced with.
>>>>> Messages from USGWP and BOARD-L seem to be dominated by whether or
>>>>> not to incorporate or to propose a motion or withdraw it.
>>>>> You folks seem to be bound up in a bureaucracy that seems to be
>>>>> unable to arrive at a consensus, let alone, advising and informing
>>>>> Project members.
>>>>> Meanwhile, 37 states have chosen to move their sites to independent
>>>>> servers without any seeming help or guidance from our national
>>>>> organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> I note that the Project page:
>>>>> http://www.usgenweb.org/projects/index.shtml continues to point
>>>>> to RW
>>>>> server pages that house an enormous amount of our data.
>>>>> I have yet to hear from national how this issue will be addressed.
>>>>> Most of these Projects are rooted in the county level.
>>>>> I have personally taken it on my own to "adopt" these county
>>>>> Projects
>>>>> to my newly-housed pages, in effect, duplicating the Project pages.
>>>>> There is no doubt that our benevolent sponsors have taken
>>>>> actions to
>>>>> retain these rich resources for some later use, commercial or
>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a pressing need to act with haste to protect our resources
>>>>> from the threat of unauthorized use. Yet, I have not witnessed any
>>>>> concrete action by national.
>>>>> I have voted for AB representatives since the very first USGWP
>>>>> election. Based on the actions these elected officials have thus
>>>>> far
>>>>> taken, I lack confidence in them.
>>>>> Whether or not the USGenWeb Project succumbs to the commercial
>>>>> interests who have made their intentions clear, I don't know.
>>>>> Whether or not the USGenWeb Project incorporates as a 401(c)(3)
>>>>> is a
>>>>> moot point.
>>>>> The protection and preservation of the information that each and
>>>>> every member has contributed to the USGWP is of paramount
>>>>> importance.
>>>>> My question is: WHAT ARE YOU FOLKS DOING ABOUT IT???
>>>>>
>>>>> If the national Project follows the example set by the NCGenWeb
>>>>> Project, the continued concept of FREE GENEALOGY is assured.
>>>>> If our USGWP elected officials continue to diddle and fuss about
>>>>> Rules of Order, to the exclusion of concrete action on this
>>>>> pressing
>>>>> threat, we doomed to fracture and dissipation and become another
>>>>> Internet has-been.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you generals and admirals do nothing else, how about
>>>>> communicating
>>>>> with the soldiers and sailors who are doing their best to fight
>>>>> this war.
>>>>>
>>>>> Derick S. Hartshorn
>>>>> Former NC State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Project
>>>>> Current USGenWeb Project-County Coordinator
>>>>> Catawba/Burke/Lincoln/Gaston/Cleveland, NC
>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/
>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/
>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nclincol/
>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgaston/
>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncclevel/
>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nhcamher/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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Folks,
I hate to ask but if you will simply send me a private note if you wish to
move I can start giving out login and passwords for all those counties we
have already backed up. I have not counted them but most of you know if you
have asked to be backed up.
The site is ncgenweb.us
I will send you login and password by return mail.
Nola
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From: "Bosque Lover" <nana321(a)tatumtel.net>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Moving?
>
>> Something just occurred to me. I think that we should ask those on our
>> mailing list to send us their e-mail address so that we can notify them
>> in
>> the event we lose control of our mailing lists.
>>
> I have no idea what, if anything, will happen to our mail lists. I
> wouldn't think they would just be turned off, but after today's
> announcement.....who knows?
> My email addy is nana321(a)tatumtel.net--alternate email addy is
> nana321(a)gmail.com
> Bon is working today (plus will doing some remodeling--a true test of a
> good marriage <g>) & I don't know when he'll be able to respond, but his
> email is papa321(a)tatumtel.net
> Bettie <><
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