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Ginger wrote:
Nola is a wonderful CC and has
done more work than half of the site CCs have.
I don't really think this is fair of us. Can you explain? Are you keeping some record? Is such really necessary?
Warren
Deloris,
Yes, you are right, it is for the Archives.
Nola
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From: <ncgenlady(a)aol.com>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/newsearch.htm?? This is
> the one for the Archives
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/ncsearch.html? This
> is the one on the NC state site for the USGenWeb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nola Duffy <nduffy(a)patch.net>
> To: ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 3:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from
> researchers
>
>
>
> Can you provide the URL or are you talking about the
> private
> search engine being managed by Daryl on his own server?
>
> Nola
>
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> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from
> researchers
>
>
>>
>> There is already a search engine in place on the USGenWeb
>> where you can search for your surname and
>> specify the state.
>>
>>
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I would like to request that this conversation be taken off the boards. This
is not the way we should represent ourselves, our counties the state or the
project as a whole.
This has been taken way out of hand and way out in left field from my
original email to the list.
Enough name calling, finger pointing and "issues". Please drop this subject
or take it off the boards and email privately.
Diane
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
-------Original Message-------
From: Gamel
Date: 9/5/2007 3:58:16 PM
To: ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] NCGenWeb search engine, etc.
Sandy, you must be blind if you can't read your earlier emails to the
List and note the nasty tone in which you wrote them, the mudslinging
Being directed to one person and her actions, of which you don't
Approve. Your nasty comments toward Nola should have been sent to her
Privately if you felt you had to fingerpoint, but you chose to berate
Her to everyone on the list and in so doing you made a fool of yourself,
In my opinion. You weren't discussing, you were mudslinging. You
Should have just expressed your concerns without berating Nola to
Everyone. Who wants to discuss issues with someone who can't be
Polite? I don't.
Linda
Sandy wrote:
>And Mary, for you to attempt to discredit my concerns by terming them
>"mud slinging" is simply unfounded and untrue.
>
>
>-Sandy
>
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Ginger, Mary, Linda, & Deloris...
I've never suggested, and certainly do not care, on what server any
cc places their county pages. Nor do I care whether any cc chooses to
place a search engine on their sites or what search engine they
choose to use if they do.
Plenty of our cc's, myself included, have their sites on servers
other than Rootsweb. But as far as I'm aware, we've just gotten space
for our individual sites. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there are plenty
of cc's who also serve as ASC, who replaced their county sites with
an anti-Ancestry page, publicly voiced their desire for the entire
national project to be moved from RW servers, pledged their own
personal money on behalf of their state project to accomplish a move,
bought an "ncgenweb" domain, leased enough server space to house the
whole state project, AND then moved their county sites. Maybe
everybody does that. But I don't think so.
I believe the whole of those actions is valid cause for concern. I
agree that any cc may house his/her county site(s) on the server of
their choice. But in this case, I believe there were plenty of
indicators that this was not just a typical instance of a cc merely
moving their county site.
I believe any move of our NCGenWeb state-level pages to another
server is an issue that should be discussed and voted upon by our
whole project, and I was - and still am - concerned that such a move
might take place without either discussion or vote. That our other
ASC came forward to say such a move requires no discussion or vote,
rather can be done at the personal discretion of our SC, was _not_
reassuring.
Mary, I also disagree with your statement: "any of us VOLUNTEERS can
do what we want with our own sites." While I agree we can place our
county sites on any server we choose, there are state and national
rules & guidelines as to what we place *on* our webpages. Some
"rules" are explicitly stated, such as no solicitation of funds.
Other matters, while not *stated*, are nonetheless inappropriate, and
in light of the recent events I believe need to be explicitly stated.
We don't seem to have a "rule" that says we can't use our county
sites to post a personal opinion page or political statement, but
that is *exactly* what just occurred. And now that it has, I think
it's fair warning it could happen again - and not necessarily by the
person or about the same topic. It might be a "Boycot Ancestry.com"
page, or a statement about the war in Iraq, or abortion, or gay
rights. I could put up my "Vote for Hilary" button & link, while say
Derick puts up his "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Islam"
button & link. Thus far, we've kept personal views on our personal
sites and off of our county sites - but now we know we cannot be
assured everyone will abide by that unwritten rule. Then again,
perhaps I'm wrong and it was never even an "unwritten" one. There
doesn't even seem to be a written "rule" precluding the posting of
erotic pictures. Does that mean it's okay if someone does? If Mary's
correct, and we are truly at liberty to do anything we choose, well,
I believe this is an issue, even if she does not.
If the four of you, or any or every one else in the project, feels
these are not "issues," or so much as causes for concern, so be it,
and obviously no discussion will occur. But your messages do not even
attempt address the issues I raised, rather seem aimed solely at
slamming me for raising them. I raised them because I believe they
are valid and important.
And Mary, for you to attempt to discredit my concerns by terming them
"mud slinging" is simply unfounded and untrue.
-Sandy
>
On Sep 5, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Ginger Christmas
<glxmas(a)ancestraltracks.com> wrote:
> Mary you are right.
>
> I have asked Nola to move the site for years and am very glad she has
> done so. I work with her very closely as everyone knows and I did not
> have a problem with the Warren County site so I wish the other people
> would just drop it. I really have asked her to locate us another
> place
> to put the site for quite some time. Nola is a wonderful CC and has
> done more work than half of the site CCs have.
>
> Ginger Christmas
>
> Mary Ellis wrote:
>
>> This seems to only be an *issue* to only one person. I feel
>> that any
>> of us as VOLUNTEERS can do what we want with our own sites and we
>> certainly don't need to permission of other cc's.
>> This person that is being put down did not touch anyone's sites
>> but her
>> own and she needed no ones permission to do so.
>> I normally don't butt in on any of these issues because I just don't
>> want to get involved and there always seems to be someone that is
>> ready
>> to jump on a bandwagon and cause problems where none exist.
>> I also don't recall that we have to have anyones permission to lease
>> space on any server anywhere of any name or invite anyone that
>> wants to
>> to join in.
>> I think it is about time for this issue to be put to bed.
>> I personally am tired of the mud slinging and would like to see it
>> end
>> now. Please!
>>
>> Mary Ellis
>> CC Alamance
>>
>>
>>
>
> On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Gamel <glgamel(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>> Well said, Mary!
>>
>> Linda Gamel
>>
>
> On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Deloris Williams
> <delwilliams(a)insightbb.com> wrote:
>> I second that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Deloris
>>
>>
>
Mary you are right.
I have asked Nola to move the site for years and am very glad she has
done so. I work with her very closely as everyone knows and I did not
have a problem with the Warren County site so I wish the other people
would just drop it. I really have asked her to locate us another place
to put the site for quite some time. Nola is a wonderful CC and has
done more work than half of the site CCs have.
Ginger Christmas
Mary Ellis wrote:
>This seems to only be an *issue* to only one person. I feel that any
>of us as VOLUNTEERS can do what we want with our own sites and we
>certainly don't need to permission of other cc's.
>This person that is being put down did not touch anyone's sites but her
>own and she needed no ones permission to do so.
>I normally don't butt in on any of these issues because I just don't
>want to get involved and there always seems to be someone that is ready
>to jump on a bandwagon and cause problems where none exist.
>I also don't recall that we have to have anyones permission to lease
>space on any server anywhere of any name or invite anyone that wants to
>to join in.
>I think it is about time for this issue to be put to bed.
>I personally am tired of the mud slinging and would like to see it end
>now. Please!
>
>Mary Ellis
>CC Alamance
>
>
>
I second that.
Deloris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gamel" <glgamel(a)comcast.net>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] NCGenWeb search engine, etc.
> Well said, Mary!
>
> Linda Gamel
>
>
> Mary Ellis wrote:
>
>>This seems to only be an *issue* to only one person. I feel that any
>>of us as VOLUNTEERS can do what we want with our own sites and we
>>certainly don't need to permission of other cc's.
>>This person that is being put down did not touch anyone's sites but her
>>own and she needed no ones permission to do so.
>>
>>
>
>
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On Sep 4, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Paul D. Buckley wrote:
> Lets keep our
> discussions focused on issues, not persons.
'Tis an *issue* when an individual "person's" action, in her capacity
as a cc of this project:
a) completely removes entire county research sites and
b) replaces them with her own personal, inflammatory statements to
which our state stie and several linking county sites, are sending
researchers.
This was not just a case of the sites themselves disappearing (which
was bad enough). They were replaced with a page containing very
derogatory remarks about Ancestry which apparently resulted in RW
closing down those accounts.
This particular cc, who also is an appointed ASC, was simultaneously
vocalizing her objections about Ancestry on both the USGenWeb-Discuss
list, as well as the State Coordinators list, and advocating moving
the entire USGenWeb Project to a new server, publicly pledging $1,000
annually of her personal money "on behalf of NCGenWeb" to secure
server space for moving the project.
Then with absolutely no mention to the membership of the NCGenWeb
Project, she purchased the http://www.ncgenweb.us domain, and leased
300 gigs of server space from Bluehost.com, Inc.
So yes, I think all of this is an "issue," and it's unfortunate that
the issue exists because of a particular person's actions, but it does.
I certainly believe, in light of what's occurred, it's both fair and
relevant to ask whether our SC plans to move our project's state
pages to her ASC's new domain and server - or any other new domain or
server for that matter - and/or to install a project-wide search
engine. If these are matters solely left to the personal discretion
of the SC, then I believe that needs to be discussed as well, because
I'm not prepared to agree that they are.
-Sandy
>
For those that don't know me very well, the last thing on earth that I
like to do is read a string of 54 email messages all titled
"Complaints from Researchers". That certainly isn't why I'm involved
in genealogy.
First off, thank you Paul -- you voice my opinions perfectly, and you
are the voice of reason! Once we put free info on the Internet, it
will be used by others, and we don't have to give permission on how it
is used. (Just ask Miss USA!)
There has been some discussion that the full membership of NCGenWeb
might need to be informed of what Ancestry is doing. That isn't
official NCGenWeb business. It hasn't affected NCGenWeb sites, with
the exception of Nola's where she did something that caused a reaction
from TGN. (That is not to say that I think Nola did anything wrong,
but with my previous IT experience, her files may have had some other
adverse affects besides just stopping Ancestry. Computers are funny
that way!) Those not on this list don't want bothered by this kind of
talk, they've made that very clear to me.
As far as a state-wide search engine, I do not have an issue with it.
I do think it would be a valuable part of the ncgenweb site.
Inclusion of the search engine should be voluntary, so anyone with
exceptions would not have to participate. Nola -- it sounded like you
were doing some research. Please keep us posted on what you find.
And put it in an email with a nice friendly subject line!
In closing, I don't get worked up over things like what Ancestry is
doing. I just don't. Some might call it putting my head in the sand,
and if you think that, that is okay. I just know that I'm putting my
info out there, for free. I'm keeping backups of everything on my
little home computer, so if it ever disappears I can replace it. And
if my info ends up being out there in 42 different places, some free
and some pay, fine. It is a shame, because the outdated info becomes
like searching a garbage dump, and that doesn't help anyone. But the
bottom line, is I'm going to keep doing what I do and try to
concentrate on the enjoyment I have in doing it while I'm at it.
Denise
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From: <Bare67deb(a)aol.com>
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<USGENWEB-DISCUSS(a)rootsweb.com>; <usgwp-cc(a)usgwp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:18 AM
Subject: [USGWP-CC] Election Committee Announcement
> **Please Forward as appropriate to USGenWeb Members**
>
> The Election Committee is looking for replacement
> volunteers to fill
> seats currently vacant, or which will become vacant on 1
> January 2007.
>
> The "job" includes: Developing a working relationship
> with SCs
> and/or ASCs to maintain a current Project membership
> list, and
> assisting in all polls and elections, especially during
> the months of
> June and part of July to host the USGenWeb Project's
> Annual Election.
>
> Volunteers will have the satisfaction of working with an
> excellent
> group of people to handle an important responsibility
> that allows our
> members to have a voice in our elections.
>
> Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is
> eligible for
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> Board
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>
> If interested, please send Email to Jo Branch
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> Please state your full name and a word about where you
> currently are
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>
> The following positions are currently open:
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> Term ending December 31, 2008
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Thank you Paul. The voice of reason within this list. Have a great holiday
weekend everyone. Joyce Harrison, CC Durham County, NC
On 9/1/07, Paul D. Buckley <pauldbuckley(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Its about midnight before a holiday weekend. Lets not spend our time
> fretting and arguing on this list about what RootsWeb is allegedly doing
> to
> destroy our project. And, lets not chastise each other or the SC for their
>
> choice of webhosts as each local coordinator and each state coordinator is
> free to choose their own webhost according to the USGenWeb bylaws.
>
> Further, all coordinators at whatever level are free to install, or not
> install, a search engine of their choice with or without approval from any
> other USGenWeb project member.
>
> I have noted some complaints about why I did not post to this list the
> "new"
> offerings by Ancestry.com. As a user of RootsWeb.com webhosting
> services,
> and a paid subscriber to Ancestry.com, I know that they regularly send
> newsletters, emails, provider agreement changes, acceptable use policy
> agreement changes, etc. to their users and subscribers. Why should I
> repost
> these to this list since most of you have already received them and those
> of
> you who use other webhosting services are not interested?
>
> Apparently, all the confusion and proliferation of postings on this topic
> resulted from a botched genealogical search engine installation by
> Ancestry.com a couple of weeks ago. Their installation errors highlighted
>
> problems with Cached pages. The Cached data concept is used by every ISP,
> Browser, and search engine service...and has been a standard since the mid
> 1970's. But, for some reason, folks picked up on this and overreacted by
> changing ISP's, search engines, etc., and throwing rocks at
> Ancestry.com...and each other!
>
> Best wishes to all for a good holiday weekend. And for those of us in NC,
> best wishes for rain.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
>
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