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Diane, Sandy,
I am the person who took down all my county pages. As a
matter of fact, they are being reposted as I write but I
honestly felt I had no choice. It has hit every genealogy
blog and newsletter in the country about what Ancestry.com
did. The last 4 days have not been fun. It was not just
Rootsweb that was effected and in fact, the Rootsweb
accounts were among the last they put online. My family site
on my personal server had 5 gigs of data and on the first
day, every single page from my personal server was displayed
in a manner that you could not even tell where it was coming
from. It does not matter where your site was posted, if it
was not password protected, it was online for 2 entire days
and then yesterday, they did a cat and mouse by announcing
that everything had been removed from cache, only to have it
reappear within an hour. As of about noon today, they again
announced that the entire database was taken offline in
response to users complaints and concerns.
I posted the original message on my county pages because I
felt that anyone hosting a family page, anywhere in the
country, should know that anything they had was now in the
Ancestry.com database. What was almost funny, since they
targeted any page with names, they got a lot of very strange
results showing up in their searches. One person searched
for an offensive 4 letter word and sure enough, their new
toy picked up 2,400+ caches of the words on the pages they
had cached.
The real solution for all of us is to become informed about
robots.txt files and how to prevent them from capturing any
future materials submitted. I have put the proper
robots.txt files on my sites now which Ancestry says they
will honor but I will not really rely on it. I will start
keeping new submissions on another server that is seamlessly
linked but that Ancestry.com can not penetrate.
Nola
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy" <teylu(a)earthlink.net>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
>
> Apparently this subject about Ancestry is resulting in
> NCGenWeb sites
> being taken offline.
> I've had several researchers contact me since yesterday
> wanting to
> know what is going on and frankly, I don't know.
> But it seems to me that if we are taking county sites
> offline because
> of actions of Ancestry.com, then it's time we had a
> project-wide
> discussion about it.
>
> I don't want to jump to conclusions, but when researchers
> are
> reaching our project websites only to be greeted by a page
> that
> informs them that the county site is offline until
> resolution of some
> controversy that the researchers don't know - or much seem
> to care -
> about, then it seems we have a bigger problem as a
> project.
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Paul D. Buckley wrote:
>
>> Ginger,
>>
>> Sure. For what is worth. By the way, I'm not saying
>> that I
>> condone any
>> unathorized use of submitted data...I'm just being
>> realistic about
>> what
>> happens to anything placed on the www!
>>
>> Paul
>
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Diane,
I've no interest in debating the merits, of lack thereof, of the
corporate policies of the entity which owns Ancestry.com, nor to
belabor U.S. copyright laws which, frankly, may (or may not) factor
into this particular controversy.
I'm a pragmatist. This is certainly not the first time volunteers
within NCGenWeb have taken issue with the corporate owners of
Ancestry & Rootsweb, and I am 100 percent certain it will not be the
last.
What I am concerned about is whether we are going to see NCGenWeb
county sites disappear every time some controversy of this nature
crops up, which seems not much different from the perspective of the
project than the issue of sites disappearing whenever a cc decides to
leave the project.
It is not within the scope of abilities of the NCGenWeb Project to
control the corporate policies of internet businesses. We can only
control the policies of our project. Do we have any?
-Sandy
On Aug 30, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Mike & Diane wrote:
> Sandy,
>
> I have noticed only 3 sites offline and they are all maintained by
> the same
> person. Not everyone is going to take the information on the County
> sites
> offline. If Ancestry wants to reference and link to our pages on their
> subscription services so be it. What I don't agree with and I am
> sure others
> will feel the same is someone taking complete pages and files from
> our sites
> and charging researchers for the information when we all ready have
> it on
> our sites for free. Most if not all of the sites are copy written
> so it is
> not right or fair for them to do this.
>
>
> Just my two cents worth...
> Diane
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Sandy
> Date: 8/30/2007 6:12:47 PM
> To: ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
>
> Apparently this subject about Ancestry is resulting in NCGenWeb sites
> Being taken offline.
> I've had several researchers contact me since yesterday wanting to
> Know what is going on and frankly, I don't know.
> But it seems to me that if we are taking county sites offline because
> Of actions of Ancestry.Com, then it's time we had a project-wide
> Discussion about it.
>
> I don't want to jump to conclusions, but when researchers are
> Reaching our project websites only to be greeted by a page that
> Informs them that the county site is offline until resolution of some
> Controversy that the researchers don't know - or much seem to care -
> About, then it seems we have a bigger problem as a project.
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Paul D. Buckley wrote:
>
>> Ginger,
>>
>> Sure. For what is worth. By the way, I'm not saying that I
>> condone any
>> unathorized use of submitted data...I'm just being realistic about
>> what
>> happens to anything placed on the www!
>>
>> Paul
>
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Diane,
Trying to catch up on email this evening and have followed this discussion.
Don't mean to be callous. However, I spent nearly forty years in the
computer systems business beginning in 1962 and everytime a discussion like
this comes up, it reminds me of what an IBM instructor told our
telecommunications class in 1965: "...the only absolutely secure way to
prevent someone from copying, using, selling, etc. your data is to unplug
the communications port." His statement is perhaps a million times more
appropriate today.
As applied to our project, and genealogical databases in general, a then
called (1967) "time share" company named Compuserve began a pricey service
to allow institutional computers to exchange data. The institutions, their
customers, consisted of businesses, government agencies, educational
facilities, and included folks like the LDS.
By the 1980's, when the PC explosion began, Compuserve and many other time
share companies became known as providing "online services" for hefty per
hour access fees. But, by then they had a phenomenal amount of data stored
on their "servers." ...including genealogy. Throughout the 1980's and into
the early 1990's, it was common practice for service subscribers to copy and
share gleaned data with their friends and other non subscribers. Result is
that if one looks closely, a lot of genealogical data now housed on
RootsWeb, GenConnect, Ancestry.Com, and many other sites, can be traced back
to having been freely submitted to Compuserve, AOL, Genie, Prodigy, FTM,
etc. as early as the 1980's...perhaps before.
Anyone in North Carolina remember MooBasic around 1988? A "free"
genealogical database that cost as much as 10.00 per hour in telephone
access charges?
By the time RootsWeb, etc. came along in the mid 1990's, popular interest
databases (such as genealogy) were all over the web. No doubt, they simply
capitalized on a market using "screen scraping" and other copying techniques
to build their own "free" and "commercial" databases.
To my knowledge, in the nearly nine years I've been a member of the USGenWeb
project, not a single database submitted to us has ever been taken down by
RootsWeb or any other webhosting service and placed upon a "for fee only"
site. BUT, I am convinced that many databases submitted to us have been
copied and recopied and are now on many servers that include Lexis-Nexus,
Heritage Quest, LDS, Ancestry, etc.
It has also been my experience that any submitter requesting to withdraw
their submission to a county page, the USGenWeb Archives, etc., has been
done quickly, and without question.
So, what do we tell our potential submitters? My take is to remind anyone
submitting data to us is that it will be placed upon an uncontrolled and
free access webpage. And further, that any data submitted to a free access
webpage is subject to viewing, copying, and printing by anyone with, or
without our knowledge. We do not, and cannot, selectively restrict access
to "freely" submitted data.
Regards,
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane" <garebel(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone had any recent complaints from researchers on not wanting to
> contribute information to the County sites for fear of Ancestry taking the
> information and adding it to their paid sites?
>
> A couple of my County sites has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
> had some researchers contact me telling me they are afraid to contribute
> anything for fear that Ancestry will "take" their information and put it
> on
> the pay sites and charge people to access it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Diane
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
>
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: [USGW-SE] Election Committee Announcement
>
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> The election run-off elections will begin at 12:01AM on
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I don't think I've heard that particular complaint, but I have heard
complaints from researchers who say material they've posted to RW
World Connect and/or the message boards or email lists has been put
on Family Tree Maker cds and sold. I don't use Family Tree Maker,
though, so I don't know whether that's actually occurred.
-Sandy
On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Elizabeth Harris wrote:
>> I've heard people say that everything they put into their trees
>> online at
>> Rootsweb ends up on Ancestry.com for a fee.
>
>
> The same topic has come up on the NCROOTS list and on one of my
> county lists. I've asked for documentation of an instance of
> something that was contributed to Rootsweb but is now available only
> on one of Ancestry's members-only databases, but so far every case
> reported to me has turned out to be WorldConnect, which are the same
> files whether you view them from Rootsweb or Ancestry. If anybody
> knows of an authentic example of something Ancestry has appropriated
> from users and is now charging for, please let me know.
> --
> Elizabeth Harris
> ncgen(a)mindspring.com
>
> Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy
> Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/
> HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/
>
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>I've heard people say that everything they put into their trees online at
>Rootsweb ends up on Ancestry.com for a fee.
The same topic has come up on the NCROOTS list and on one of my
county lists. I've asked for documentation of an instance of
something that was contributed to Rootsweb but is now available only
on one of Ancestry's members-only databases, but so far every case
reported to me has turned out to be WorldConnect, which are the same
files whether you view them from Rootsweb or Ancestry. If anybody
knows of an authentic example of something Ancestry has appropriated
from users and is now charging for, please let me know.
--
Elizabeth Harris
ncgen(a)mindspring.com
Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy
Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/
HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/
I've heard people say that everything they put into their trees online at
Rootsweb ends up on Ancestry.com for a fee. I do think that some people are
equating anything with the Rootsweb name attached as being owned also by
Ancestry.com. I do know that you can get the Worldconnect trees on both
websites, and I guess people think that because most of the USGenweb pages
are hosted by Rootsweb, that they might be connected somehow to Ancestry.
Deloris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane" <garebel(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone had any recent complaints from researchers on not wanting to
> contribute information to the County sites for fear of Ancestry taking the
> information and adding it to their paid sites?
>
> A couple of my County sites has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
> had some researchers contact me telling me they are afraid to contribute
> anything for fear that Ancestry will "take" their information and put it
> on
> the pay sites and charge people to access it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Diane
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
>
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I honestly don't doubt it. In a perfect world everyone would be honest and
we wouldn't have to worry about copy rights and someone else "borrowing"
someone else's info as their own. Especially the paid sites like Ancestry.
It really gets my goat sometimes. : )
Diane
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
-------Original Message-------
From: bladencountyncgw(a)triad.rr.com
Date: 8/24/2007 12:00:58 PM
To: ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
I don't have time to look for a specific example right now, but I could
Swear I saw the same thing. I did see a reference to the source which was
My data on my Bladen County page. It looked as though an employee or
Someone with ancestry had loaded the data to their system.
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane" <garebel(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone had any recent complaints from researchers on not wanting to
> contribute information to the County sites for fear of Ancestry taking the
> information and adding it to their paid sites?
>
> A couple of my County sites has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
> had some researchers contact me telling me they are afraid to contribute
> anything for fear that Ancestry will "take" their information and put it
> on
> the pay sites and charge people to access it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Diane
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
>
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Sad rule of thumb...if you so much as speculate on ancestral information in
any place on the internet (web page, email, etc.) it later becomes fact on
somebody's server somewhere out there in cyberspace. So, anything out there
is up for grabs and this happens all of the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane" <garebel(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone had any recent complaints from researchers on not wanting to
> contribute information to the County sites for fear of Ancestry taking the
> information and adding it to their paid sites?
>
> A couple of my County sites has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
> had some researchers contact me telling me they are afraid to contribute
> anything for fear that Ancestry will "take" their information and put it
> on
> the pay sites and charge people to access it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Diane
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
>
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I don't have time to look for a specific example right now, but I could
swear I saw the same thing. I did see a reference to the source which was
my data on my Bladen County page. It looked as though an employee or
someone with ancestry had loaded the data to their system.
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane" <garebel(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] Complaints from researchers
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone had any recent complaints from researchers on not wanting to
> contribute information to the County sites for fear of Ancestry taking the
> information and adding it to their paid sites?
>
> A couple of my County sites has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
> had some researchers contact me telling me they are afraid to contribute
> anything for fear that Ancestry will "take" their information and put it
> on
> the pay sites and charge people to access it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Diane
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
>
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It happened to me on my MyFamily site. I posted a ged file and could
not view it without signing up on Ancestry.com
Ginger Christmas
Mike & Diane wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Has anyone had any recent complaints from researchers on not wanting to
>contribute information to the County sites for fear of Ancestry taking the
>information and adding it to their paid sites?
>
>A couple of my County sites has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
>had some researchers contact me telling me they are afraid to contribute
>anything for fear that Ancestry will "take" their information and put it on
>the pay sites and charge people to access it.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Diane
>
>
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
>
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>
>
>
It has been a few years, but I've heard other
people mention this and they were counties hosted
on Rootsweb. It is one of the many reasons why I
hosted Carteret on my own site and only use some
rootsweb tools (like for queries). I inherited
Onslow and when I got Craven back it was on usgennet.org.
Joel
At 11:05 AM 8/24/2007, you wrote:
>Hi all, Has anyone had any recent complaints
>from researchers on not wanting to contribute
>information to the County sites for fear of
>Ancestry taking the information and adding it to
>their paid sites? A couple of my County sites
>has slowed down to a virtual crawl and I have
>had some researchers contact me telling me they
>are afraid to contribute anything for fear that
>Ancestry will "take" their information and put
>it on the pay sites and charge people to access
>it. Any suggestions? Diane  
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpasqu2/
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocivwar/mocwindex.html
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Elizabeth,
We are fortunate in Mecklenburg to have someone that may help you. Sheila
Bumgarner at our Robinson-Spangler Carolina room has helped me date pictures
in that time frame. If you send her a scan and ask for help, she may be
willing to take a look. Her email is sbumgarner(a)plcmc.org .
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Harris" <ncgen(a)mindspring.com>
To: <ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] dating old pictures
> Is anybody in this group good at dating pictures in the 1890-1910
> range from clothing?
>
> I was just sent a picture of two children that I would like to place
> as precisely as possible in time. The cousin who sent it to me was
> told the girl in the picture is her grandmother, but neither of us
> thinks this identification is correct. However, we don't know who it
> is, and are both searching our family files for a pair of children,
> probably brother and sister, that it might be. Getting a better fix
> on the date would help a lot. It's a studio portrait, and both
> children are dressed in their Sunday best, which could provide some
> good fashion clues if we knew how to interpret them.
>
>
> --
> Elizabeth Harris
> ncgen(a)mindspring.com
>
> Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy
> Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/
> HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/
>
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Is the name of the studio on the back?
If so have you checked the directories for that area
for the studio? To see how long it was open.> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:23:29 -0400> To: ncgenweb-discuss(a)rootsweb.com> From: ncgen(a)mindspring.com> Subject: [NCGENWEB-DISCUSS] dating old pictures> > Is anybody in this group good at dating pictures in the 1890-1910 > range from clothing?> > I was just sent a picture of two children that I would like to place > as precisely as possible in time. The cousin who sent it to me was > told the girl in the picture is her grandmother, but neither of us > thinks this identification is correct. However, we don't know who it > is, and are both searching our family files for a pair of children, > probably brother and sister, that it might be. Getting a better fix > on the date would help a lot. It's a studio portrait, and both > children are dressed in their Sunday best, which could provide some > good fashion clues if we knew how to interpret them.> > > -- > Elizabeth Harris> ncgen(a)mindspring.com> > Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy> Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/> HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina S. Vickery" <tsvickery(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: [USGENWEB-DISCUSS] The USGenWeb Project at FGS -- Day 1.
> --Please forward to appropriate Project lists--
>
> The USGenWeb Project is off to a terrific and exciting
> start to our presence at the FGS Conference in Fort Wayne,
> IN.
>
> We had many, many people visit the booth to just say thank
> you! They told us how much they appreciate the work the
> Project does, how much they have and are benefitting, and
> yes, even to ask how they can help! Once again we have a
> volunteer form for those interested in volunteering or
> contributing to fill out. At the end of the conference I
> will be distribute those names and email addresses to
> appropriate XXGenWeb and Special Project Coordinators.
>
> Many volunteers were in attendance, and we enjoyed meeting
> each and every one.
>
> As WIGenWeb Project State Coordinator, I had the pleasure
> of meeting three of Wisconsin's County Coordinators .. it
> was 'moo'varleous!
>
> The brochures and other promotional materials provided by
> many XXGenWeb Projects, Special Projects and the committee
> were very well received. A huge thank you goes out to all
> who participated in the preparing and sending them along
> for inclusion.
>
> Tina
>
Hi list,
I wanted to let you all know that I am the new coordinator for the North
Carolina Military Sites. I will be working on the sites one at a time
getting them back in shape and running.
I have just completed the North Carolina American Revolutionary War site so
it is now back online and ready for your submissions! : )http://WWW.rootsweb
Com/~ncrevwar/ncrevwar.htm
I want to thank each of the County Coordinators that responded to my
requests to add links to their sites so that researchers will have a variety
of places to go for information. If I missed sending you an email and you
have Military information on your site, if you would please send me the link
I will gladly add your County to the listings.
I hope you like the new site and if you have any information you would like
to submit please feel free to send it directly to me.
Enjoy!
Diane
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncduplin/duplin.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjones/jones.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnewhan/nh.htmhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpender/pender.htm