I am not saying that the SC shouldn't have access, no not at all. I am
talking about the type of access that this server has. In other states
that I am a member of, the SC has access through a team, there is more than
one person and in order to access your county, they have to sign in to it.
I am concerned about the security risk of how this server is set up. Each
county is a non-secure folder inside of the state pages. It would be very
easy to accidentally upload a page to another county rather than the folder
in the state part of it. That is all I am saying. Additionally the SC has
to hunt for the state folders in amongst the county folders, I am thankful
I no longer have to deal with that clutter.
With regard to it technically belonging to MTGenWeb: NO that is not
accurate. It is why I will all my county information to the state
project. How many times have CCs left and took their counties with them?
Lots of times, nothing the SC can do about it unless the CC had willed the
county to the state. Each county is the property of the CC unless they
will or gift their work to the state. The only option an SC has is
delinking a county, they most certainly don't have the right to take the
county information unless it is given to the state. It is why I asked for
and received wills from recently departed CCs. As SC I did not have a
right to just take that information. in the case of a CC that disappeared,
yes the information was captured and they would have to reappear to make a
claim against the project. If they disappear they have given up the rights
that belong to them as a member of the project imho.
Counties can house themselves wherever they want and they are NOT required
to give an SC access. As long as a CC is abiding by state and national
rules, an SC has no right to delink a county. The MTGenWeb project needs
rules to protect both the state and the CC. Having those rules in place
guarantees there is no confusion and insures a smooth working environment.
I believe after the server situation is addressed, we may all want to look
at finally getting some rules down. They do not have to be Bylaws but
simple adopted rules will suffice just fine. Willing counties as you have
done is not required but it is the nice thing to do.
Karen
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Christina Palmer <
christina_palmer(a)ymail.com> wrote:
I have projects in 5 other state projects and yes every SC has access
to
everyone of my projects. I think it is a good idea.
Look at it this way. The information on the county you are hosting
techically belongs to MTGenWeb. If God for bid you were to pass away. If
the SC did not have access to your county then all information could be
lost if the SC doesn't physically go in and capture the information. I also
know there has been instances in the past were CC's abandon their counties
for years. That is not doing the county, the state project or the
researchers any good. If after a great attempt to contact the CC and still
no contact can be made then that county should be put up for adoption.
It does not matter where the counties are hosted the SC should have access
to the Counties as a protect to MTGenWeb. All of my sites are hosted on my
own server and I can guarantee you that ALL of my SC's have access to my
Counties. And it is also noted in my Will and I have special instructions
laid out to my family that all of my research online is to be left with the
respective SC.
Christina Palmer
________________________________
From: Karen De Groote <iagenieme(a)gmail.com>
To: mtgen(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MTGEN] Information About Changing Servers
You are missing my point. The SC does not have access on RW. The SC does
not have access on
theusgenweb.org. The NC is not the SC. The NC is part
of the technical team for the USGenWeb. Webmasters/tech teams,, whatever
you want to call it have access as they should. The SC should have at arms
length access to the counties, whether through tech or because the county
is on a different server. Having all the folders of the counties in the
login area for the state pages may be done elsewhere but I would guess
there is more than the SC with access to that area in those locations.
Even if they don't, I could care less as it is not MTGenWeb. As my mother
always preached to me, just because someone jumps off a cliff do you have
to jump off a cliff? I have never been one to do something just because
someone else does it. Because of how we are set up, we don't have a
technical team for the state, we share Judy and Dennis with others.
As I said I have no problem with you having access to my counties but I
will also make sure I have a RW version in case of accidental deletion.
Karen
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Shirley Cullum
<shirlcullum(a)sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Karen,
> You are correct about the way Judy's server is set up and from prior
> experience that is normal. You are also correct about
theusgenweb.orgserver and Rootsweb but on the
>
usgenweb.org server, the NC has access to all sites and on RootsWeb,
> someone there has access information to all sites.
> I will correct the URL for Glacier County right now.
> Shirley
>
> --- On Thu, 5/10/12, Karen De Groote <iagenieme(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Karen De Groote <iagenieme(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MTGEN] Information About Changing Servers
> To: mtgen(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Thursday, May 10, 2012, 8:39 AM
>
> My tardy moves are because I don't feel that the SC should have full
access
> to county sites and that is how it is set up on Judy's server, currently
> .com but to become .org. I was told that all server managers have access
> to a county file and yes that is correct, server managers, NOT the
standing
> SC. As I wrote to both you and Judy, I have absolutely no problem with
you
> having access to my counties as I know you, however that is setting up a
> dangerous precedent for the future.
>
> When we use RW, the SC does not have access to my county, only RW does.
> When we use
mtgenweb.org on
theusgenweb.org server, again the SC does
not
> have access to my county files. It is my belief that for the good of
this
> project in the future, the SC should set up the state site as a subfile
of
>
mtgenweb.org/com. I am sure Dennis (tech for Judy) can set up an
> automatic
> directive so that someone typing
mtgenweb.org, will get to that sub
file.
> That is beyond my technical capabilities but I am sure Dennis can handle
> that.
>
> I am installing a new modem today so hopefully I can return to my IP and
be
> able to FTP to current .org. I had to bridge to my router and that
changed
> my IP so prevents me from FTPing currently.
>
> As a side note I believe that Cascade is located on John's own server at
>
montanagenweb.com so he will be unaffected by the move. Also I noticed
> that at some point in the last month the link to Glacier was changed to
> .com. Glacier disappeared on .com when they had to change the host and I
> haven't uploaded again in light of the questions. Please change back to
>
glacier.mtgenweb.org until I am sure where I am going to be with
Glacier.
>
> Thank you,
> Karen
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Shirley Cullum
> <shirlcullum(a)sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > I have been informed that when the
mtgenweb.org domain is moved off
the
> >
theusgenweb.org server that county websites on the server and have
> >
mtgenweb.org in their URL will cease to exist.
> > The decision was made some time ago to move the
mtgenweb.org domain
to a
> > different server and it is time to do so. County websites on the
current
> > server need to move to alternate servers by May 24th. Judy Wallis White
> has
> > generously offered webspace for county websites on her server. Google,
> > Yahoo and Rootsweb offer free webspace as well. The
> theusgenweb.orgserver may be available for websites but the sites will
have
> to use a
> > different URL. Contact Sherri Bradley if that is what you want to do.
> > Please make arrangements for webspace your website now and be sure to
> send
> > me the new URL so I can update our links. The
mtgenweb.org domain will
> > move by the end of May
> > According to my records, the following counties need to find
alternative
> > webspace:
> > CarbonCascadeChouteauDeer
LodgeFallonGlacierJeffersonPonderaPowellSilver
> > BowTooleYellowstone
> > Shirley
> >
> >
> >
> >
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