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Tee-hee. I'm having fun with these bozos! Family Discovery stole alot of my
Colorado data. No if someone logs into familydiscovery and then goes to the
link they stole from me, they get an interesting message: Check it out.
http://hometown.aol.com/vikkigray/saguachecensus1.htm
Also, I have sent the following letter to the Iowa Attorney General:
Dear Iowa Attorney General:
I am writing you to advise you that two people in Iowa are defrauding people
all over the United States. Their names are Brad Cook and Elias Abodeey and
further details about how to contact them are listed at the bottom of this
email. Here is what they are doing:
1. They registered the internet domain name www.familydiscovery.com
2. They then designed a website in which they represent that they have all
kinds of genealogical research in most, if not all of the country. They
charge a fee $49.95 and $79.99 for a "membership". Once you pay the
membership you can click on links that lead you to genealogical data.
However the data is stolen.
3. What they are doing is linking data that another person created on
another website. They are "shrink wrapping" this data in their browser
frame. In otherwords, they are presenting the stolen data as their own.
4. Let me give you an example. I transcribed the 1870 Summit County,
Colorado Federal Census. I placed this transcription on a website that I
run, which people can view for FREE. I own the copyright. That information
can be viewed on my site <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/vikkigray">Ghostseeke
rs</A> .
5. I am not a member of FamilyDiscovery.com so I cannot get to their site
through their main page. However a "backdoor" into the site has been
discovered in which you can see what they are doing. That address is http://
128.121.230.66/Records/states/colorado.htm
Then scroll to the bottom and click on the last link which goes to 1870
Summit County Census.
6. To see the scope of information that they are stealing from honest people
all over the country - just replace "colorado" in the address above with iowa
or ohio or other state names.
7. Just as an aside: Many members of the US GenWeb Project complained to the
FamilyDiscovery.com's Internet Service Provider about this theft. That ISP
shut them down. 2 days later they are back again on a different server.
They have not reloaded their entire site yet, so you will encounter some
broken links.
Please shut them down! If you need any further information you can email me.
Thanks, Vikki Gray
Ghostseekers Website Owner
Colorado GenWeb Project Volunteer
The following information was obtained about FamilyDiscovery.com from
internic.net, which is the Internet Domain Registrar:
Admin Contact:
Abodeely, Elias
Family Discovery
9843 Cambridge Drive
Cedar Rapids , IA 52404
319-378-9654
Billing Contact:
Cook, Brad
Family Discovery
PO BOX 83
Hiawatha , IA 52233
Dear Corky and Vicki:
Ray Ensing emailed either you or Vicki a couple of days ago offering to
adopt a few MT Counties. He says he hasn't heard from anyone. Might want to
grab him before he changes his mind. He is good and is my co-coordinator on
Orange County CA. His email addy is ensing(a)pacbell.net
Please contact him!
thanks,
Vikki Gray, Missoula, Mineral and Granite Co. Coordinator
Corky - Two experiences I've had. In Sweet Grass County I wound up getting copies of old (vague definition) marriage licenses from Clerk and Recorder for cost of a copy (25 cents). Copies were stamped "not official" which really doesn't matter to me, it's the information that's important. While looking for my family in rather rural county in Nebraska, Clerk and Recorder gave old (vague definition) marriage licenses to the county historical society. That purpose was fourfold - it cleared out old records from Clerk and Recorders office... it eliminated some of the genealogy traffic from the Clerk and Recorders office so they could deal with more current matters... it sent genealogy traffic to the county historical society (which they are glad to get)... and it changed the purpose of the county historical society from strictly display to display and research. Major problem is that some county historical society's aren't geared for research, but in those that are I prefer that than hounding courthouse staff (although a Clerk of District Court did appreciate my looking for really old - 1892 - divorce papers... something a little on the light side).
I agree that this kind of legislation should not be on federal level. I hope that those proposing legislation look to see how other states have handled it. I personally like the 70 year rule of the Census. Put restrictions on access for that period of time and then let it have public access. Enough from me.
Joan Shurtliff
Stillwater and Sweet Grass
For years I have done research in Illinois and noticed that the big county,
Cook would only supply a copy of the front of the marriage cert and not the
back where the data is. The neighboring county, DuPage, gives the front and
the back. Go figure I thought. Now it would appear that Cook was doing the
privacy thing, and the rest weren't. I suspect that the front-back counties
will in the future be forced to give only the front. Teton County MT is
getting sticky too about docs. I am sure they are reading all the latest and
will go for the privacy rather than the both sides for us genealogists. For
now, they will GIVE the original marriage license to whoever in the family
asks for it since they are on microfilm.
Nancy Thornton
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mttetonhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcanalhttp://www.canalheritage.com
The topic of record access may get interesting before it is all over. My daughter did some volunteer work for the Nebraska State Historical Society this past summer and Nebraska seems to have the same problem as Montana - lack of legislation on privacy issues with public documents. The NSHS is working on legislation to address the issue as well - Can people get together to create similar legislation so 1. The wheel doesn't have to be reinvented? and 2. As we go from state to state researching we can deal with similar laws? I also know that some county historical societies are inheriting old marriage licenses (possibly the 70 year rule as the census) as courthouses run out of room. Some documents are microfilmed for the courthouse office and then the books are given to county or state historical society. Just a thought.
Joan Shurtliff
Stillwater and Sweet Grass County Volunteer
Thanks, Ann, I'll appreciate your posting that. Guess I did read that it
was a "done deal". I think that what Pat with MSGS is trying to do is work
towards getting the legislature to change that. Those interested in
helping with that need to check out the MSGS site and contact Pat Ludwig.
Corky
At 02:32 PM 9/13/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>Corky, I have a copy of the opinion by Joe Mazurek about Marriage Records, I
>can post that for you, he already took it away from us. I will post the entire
>message in full.
>Ann
>
>Corky K wrote:
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
The first letter is from the Clerk of Court, Fergus County about
Marriage Records. The second is the opinion of the Attorney General of
Montana about Marriage Records.
Ann
CLERK OF DISTRICT COURT 712 WEST MAIN STREET
P. O. BOX 1074
LEWISTOWN, MONTANA 59457
Phyllis D. Smith, Clerk Telephone: (406) 538-502
Gayle A. Doney, Deputy Fax: (406) 538-6076
Arlene M. Mari, Deputy
July 10, 2000
Central Montana Genealogy Society, Inc.
701 W. Main St.
Lewistown, MT 59457
Re: Confidentiality ef Marriage Records
Dear Members of the Genealogy Society:
Enclosed is a copy of the recent Attorney General Opinion that was
issued by Attorney General Joseph P.
Mazurek on the confidentiality of marriage records.
This opinion will greatly affect the information that this office can
give to the public. According to the
Attorney General " .. .
the clerk of district court may allow public inspection of the marriage
certificate filed . . ., but not
of the marriage license." This opinion indicates that this office will
no longer be able to copy the
marriage license portion for the public. This office will only be able
to release the information contained
in the marriage certification portion. The marriage certification
portion lists the date of marriage, the
witnesses and who married the parties.
I expect this will cause a great deal of complaints by the public. If
you get complaints, feel free to
distribute copies of this opinion to anyone who complains
If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact this
office or your legislative
representative.
Sincerely,
Phyllis D. Smith
Clerk of District Court
/ps
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Joseph P. Mazurek ATTORNEY GENERAL Department of Justice
Attorney General STATE OF MONTANA 215 North Sanders
PO Box 201401
Helena, MT 59620-1401
VOLUME NO. 48 OPINION NO. 17
COURTS, DISTRICT - Dissemination of marriage records;
MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE - Con~dentiality of marriage records;
PRIVACY - Con~dentiality of marriage records;
PUBLIC RECORDS - Diss'eminatioh ofmarriage records;
RIGHT TO KNOW - Dissemination of marriage records;
VITAL STATISTICS - Con~dentiality of marriage records;
ADMINISTRATIVE RULES-OF MONTANA - Rule 37.8.126;
MONTANA CODE ANNOTATED - Sections 40-1-201, -202, -321, 50-15-122(1),
-122(5), -301;
OPINIONS OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL - 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10 (Mar. 23,
2000).
HELD: 1. The holding in 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10 applies to all marriage
applications on file
with a clerk of the district court, not only to those filed after the
date of the opinion.
2. Pursuant to Mont. Code Ann. § 50-15-122(5), a clerk of the district
court may allow
public inspection and copying of the marriage certificate filed
pursuant to Mont. Code
Ann. § 40-1-321, but not of the marriage license.
July 5, 2000
Mr. Jeffrey A. Noble
Powder River County Attorney
P.O. Box 240
Broadus, MT 59317
Dear Mr. Noble:
On March 23, 2000, I issued a revised opinion to you on the question of
the confidentiality of
information contained in Montana marriage license applications. 48 Op.
Att'y Gen. No. 10. You have
since submitted a second request for opinion on the following related
questions:
LEGAL SERVICES DIVISION
Appellate Services Bureau Agency Legal Services Bureau Prosecution
Services Bureau
Civil Services Bureau Executive Services Bureau
Telephone: (406) 444-2026 FAX: (406) 444-3549 E-Mail:
contact(a)doj.state.mt.us
48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 17
July 5, 2000
Page 2
1. ls the effect of 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10 (Mar. 23, 2000) limited to
marriage license
applications filed after the effective date of the opinion?
.2. Should Montana marriage licenses on file with the clerk of the
district court be treated
as confidential records?
In Montana, a couple wishing to obtain a marriage license must file an
application with the clerk of the
district court. Mont. Code Ann. § 40-1-201. After processing the
application, the clerk then issues a
marriage license and a marriage certificate. Mont. Code Ann. § 40-1-202.
The license form used by
most district court clerks actually combines these two documents in a
single form, including both the
marriage license itself and the certificate of marriage. The officiant
fills out and returns the marriage
certificate to the clerk of the district court within 30 days after the
marriage. Mont. Code Ann. §
40-1-321. Since the form generally used contains both the license and
the certificate, compliance with
this statute results in the filing with the clerk of both the license
and the certificate. Your request
touches on the issue of the confidentiality of these documents.
I.
In 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10, I provided guidance on the confidentiality
of information contained in
marriage license application forms submitted to the clerks of the
district court pursuant to Mont. Code
Ann. § 40-1-201. Your letter informs me that some clerks have adopted
the view that the holdings of
that opinion apply only to applications filed after the issuance of the
opinion. That view is incorrect.
The opinion did not create new law, but rather only interpreted statutes
that have been on the books
for years. Nothing in the statutes suggests that vital statistics
information should be treated differently
depending on when the information was collected by a government agency.
Clerks should therefore be
applying the guidance provided in that opinion to all marriage
applicatibns in their files, regardless of
when the applications were filed.
II.
In my earlier opinion, I noted that vital statistics information is
confidential unless release is specifically
authorized by law. 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10 at 3-4; Mont. Code Ann. §
50-15-122(1); Mont. Admin.
R. 37.8·126. I found authorization in Mont. Code Ann.
48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 17
July 5, 2000
Page 3
§ 50-15-122(5) for release of a "record of marriage,, upon filing by the
clerk of the district court of the
report of the marriage required by Mont. Code Ann. § 50-15-301. I
further held that for purposes of
this statute the "record of marriage" consisted only of limited
information relating to the identities of
the bride and groom, the date and place of the ceremony, the name of the
officiant, and the type of
ceremony. 48 Op. Att'y Gem No. 10 at 4-5.
Mont. Code Ann. § 50-15-122(5) states that "[i]mmediately upon the
filing of a record with the
[D]epanment of [Public Health and Human Services] ... a record of
marriage... may be released to the
public without restriction." I held in 48 O13. Att'y Gem No. 10 that
this statute is not confined to
release of information by the Department of Public Health and Hutban
Services CDPHHS"), but alio
govems release of information by the clerks of district court. It
follows from that opinion that those
portions of the license and certificate that constitute a "record of
marriage may be released to the
public upon the filing with DPHHS of the report referred to in Mont.
Code Ann. § 50-15-301.
In 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10, I held that the "record of marriage"
includes only that information which
relates to the .marriage itself--the identifies of the bride and groom,
the date and place of the marriage,
the name of the officiant, and the type of ceremony. Reviewing the form
of marriage license and
marriage certificate used by most district court clerks in Montana, it
appears to me that the "record of
marriage,, information is found in the marriage certificate form, which
constitutes the bottom third of
the document. The marriage license portion, constituting the top
two-thirds of the form, includes
personal and background information about the bride and groom that does
not directly relate to the
marriage itself--the race, addresses, and ages of the bride and groom,
whether either had been
previously married, and the identities of their parents. As I held in 48
Op. Att'y Gem No. 10, this
information is not part of the record of marriage, and its release is
not authorized by Mont. Code Ann.
§ 50-15-122(5).
In my opinion, the best course for court clerks to follow would be as
follows: Upon .the filing of the
report with DPHHS required by Mont. Code Ann. § 50-15-301, the clerk may
disclose to the public or
provide the public with a copy of the marriage certificate portion of
the license/certificate form, but
not the marriage license portion of the form. The certificate contains
all of the information on the form
that can be said to constitute a "record of marriage" under Mont. Code
Ann. § 50-15-122(5), as I have
interpreted it in 48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 10.
48 Op. Att'y Gen. No. 17
July 5, 2000
Page 4
I note that nothing in statute requires that the license, as opposed to
the certificate of marriage, be
filed with the clerk of the district court. Mont: Code Ann. § 40-1-202
requires the clerk, upon receipt
of the required information, to "issue a license to marry and a marriage
certificate form," suggesting
that two different documents maybe involved. Mont. Code Ann. § .40-1-321
then requires the
officiant to file with the clerk the "marriage certificate," without
reference to the marriage license. I am
not suggesting that the inclusion of both the license and the
certificate on one form is unlawful. I do
believe, however, that the happenstance of inclusion of both forms in a
single document should not
serve as a basis for disclosure of information from the license that
otherwise would clearly be
confidential.
III.
As in 48 Op. Att'y Gem No. 10, I express no opinion herein on the
constitutionality of the statutes
cited in this opinion.
THEREFORE, IT IS MY OPINION:
1. The holding in 48 0p. Att'y Gen. No. 10 applies to all marriage
applications, on file
with a clerk of the district court, not only to those filed after the
date of the opinion.
2. Pursuant to Mont. Code Ann. § 50-15-122(5), a clerk ofthe distriet
court may allow
public inspection and copying of the marriage certificate filed
pursuant to Mont. Code
Ann. § 40-1-321, but not of the marriage license.
Sincerely
/s/
JOSEPH P. MAZUREK
Attorney General
jpm/cdt/dm
I just noticed on the MSGS site at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mtmsgs/
That our marriage records are in jeopardy in Montana as far as genealogists
are concerned. Check out the info on their page.
I know that clerks vary on birth records too. Several county clerks told
me this summer that they're happy to give me anyone's certificate if it's
30 yrs old, and more recent ones if I have a permission letter or am a
direct descendant. Some have reported to me that their county clerks tell
them that it is against the law to give any birth certificates out except
to the person themselves! I sure hope that we can get this straightened
out with the legislature too.
Corky
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Tim Stowell, our National Coord., had asked if I'd serve on this committee
and I declined due to time constraints right now. Would any of you
CC's want to help him out. It's a short-term committee. Please let him
know and copy to me, if you will help out.
Corky
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:11:37 -0400
To: Corky K <corkykn(a)imt.net>
From: Tim Stowell <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
Subject: Committee
Corky,
On the previous committee I offered you a place on - do you have a MT CC
that might be willing to serve? The committee is to last 30 days - so it
shouldn't be too big of a time drain.
[Original message: If asked will you serve on a Trademark committee to
research and report to the Board the results of said research?]
Tim
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:23:04 -0500
From: Holly Timm <hollyft(a)bright.net>
To: STATE-COORD-L
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Election Study - Volunteers Wanted
Please forward to your state lists as soon as possible. This committee is
working within a time frame
Thank You
- ---------------------------------------
The USGenWeb Advisory Board has approved the Election Study Committee, to
study and make recommendations about the election process within the
USGenWeb Project. This committee is to discuss and make recommendations to
the Board on:
a. Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible
positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates;
b. Standing Election Committee;
c. Voting mechanism including location and method;
d. Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee
members or brought to their attention by others.
To fill out the committee we need to select 5 State Coordinators and 10
County Coordinators and thus we are asking for volunteers interested in
serving the project by participating on this Election Study Committee.
If you are interested in being on the committee, please email Holly Timm at
hollyft(a)bright.net
Include your full name, email, and USGenWeb position (CC, SC with
county/state) and any additional comments you would like to make.
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Hi again,
Well, I found out from one of the people who subscribed to this list that
Rootsweb had it listed as one of two Montana General Interest Genealogy
mailing lists! I wrote to Megan Z., the listmaster for Rootsweb, and she
took us off that category of mailing lists, leaving just MONTANA-L as the
state list for posting genealogical subjects and queries for Montana.
Again, I apologize for giving a bunch of you the idea that I was asking you
to 'get off the list'. The last thing I'd want would be to lose any of
you!!! <G>
Corky
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Hi MTGenWeb volunteers!
I received a couple of subscribe notices yesterday from people - one of
whom posted a query on MTGEN-L. When I sent them my standard email about
the list being a discussion list for MTGenWeb volunteers, not for
genealogical research discussion, I inadvertently sent it to the this list
also without an explanation. Some of you are questioning why you received
the note.
The answer, my dears, is blowin' in the wind.... I mean, it was a brain
burp! Sorry! <G>
You guys are all still subscribed and I'm sure not asking you to leave! <G>
Corky
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Hi,
I noted that you are now subscribed to our mtgen-l list. We are happy to
have anyone join the list, but do want to clarify that this is the
administrative mail list for the MtGenWeb Project and is not a general
genealogy list for posting queries, etc. Primarily it is for discussion
and announcements for the MTGenWeb Project County Coordinators,
transcribers and other volunteers. You are welcome to stay and look us
over - perhaps you'll be interested in volunteering on the project yourself
at some time!
If I can answer any questions or be of further help, please let me know.
Corky
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
My cousin does not have a computer and so I send out queries for her now
and then. Her latest is for Jane married to David Welsh and who died in
a small town, Stewart, which no longer exists. I am not sure of the
spelling since I cannot find it under any spelling. Is there anyone out
there who may have information on where this town was and if there was a
cemetery there.
Thank you
Marylou Denyer in California
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Here's the committee minutes, URL's and demo on how to put a "break out" on
each of your web pages.
Be sure to check out all of the links she has within her "Joy Fisher"
Frame. There are several examples of the adding the Break out or "onload"
features, as well as the adding of a nice bordered statement telling people
that the site they're viewing should be free and that they can get out of
the frame to the original free source.
You'll note that both Joy and Holly have offered to share the codes with
anyone who needs further clarification.
Corky
______________________________X-Message: #1
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:19:12 EDT
From: TVick65536(a)aol.com
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
The discussion centered around the topic of page identification and
linking, in reference to frames.
WI welcomed it's own wonderful volunteers (as SC, I am allowed to
gush, <g>), but also visitors from NY, ND, CO, CA, SD, WA, SD, WA,
GA, AL, TX, IL, OK, MS, MA, and ME and many other states, so if I
missed a state, please forgive me. I very much want to thank Holly
Timm, and Joy Fisher, State Coordinator of NY and SD respectively, for
leading this discussion.
After some visiting Joy started with introducing a demo page. This
page was used to illustrate a frame.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdgenweb/test/test.html
Frames are where one part of the page changes and other part(s) don't.
The URL that remains in our browser, is *not* the page that we are
actually visiting. Visitors are unable to bookmark, the actual site
they are on. A frame places our page(s) *inside* another page, so
that its heading is at the top, and [our] URL's do not show.
Holly introduced the concept of breakout. Breakout, taking the page
out of the frame so it shows by itself. Now on, to the HTML stuff ..
TARGET="_top". What does the TARGET="TOP" do? TARGET="_top" breaks
you out of frames, if your pages been framed by someone else.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~seky/sampleheader.html demonstrates it is
clear when someone links to the site from elsewhere.
Discussion ensued on notices to be placed on pages to identify not
only copyright issues, but also encouraging that our page URL's be
prominent, along with identification of the USGenWeb Project
affiliation. It was emphasized that breakouts and statements are good
but labeling every page will also catch people coming from search
engines and various link lists that link direct to the data pages.
Meta Tags -- Meta Tags are only used for search engine identification
and such, doesn't have anything to do with frames. Meta tags have a
reload function that can automatically load or reload a page. Meta
Tags help some search engines index your site for keywords.
Different HTML editors were discussed and the global search and
replace features were mentioned for ease in updating pages.
Arachnopilia, Front Page, NoteTab Pro, and Homesite -
http://www.allaire.com/download
Server Side Include files were mentioned. What is server-side
include?? Server side include is a file that is called into other
files. For a more techie talk on Server Side Includes, come to
#htmlhelp Sunday (6:30 AM or 11:30 AM Eastern time)
We were reminded to use care when linking to other sites, and to
always credit appropriately, the source of the site and the material.
Joy, jfisher(a)ucla.edu and Holly, hollyft(a)bright.net , will supply
anyone who wants -- instructions and code for dealing with frames and
protecting our pages.
Tina Vickery
SC WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Hi,
To reiterate the issue of the FamilyDiscovery.com organization and possibly
others.......
This group, according to their letter below, is charging people to access
links for genealogy research. These links often take them to pages such as
our county and state USGenWeb/MTGenWeb Project sites or separate pages
within our sites, such as cemetery records and other online data. Since,
however, the pages are within a frame that has their header on it, there is
often no way for the person visiting the site to tell that it is our site,
not that of FamilyDiscovery.com.
Because of this deception, the USGenWeb had a committee meeting and have
just posted their minutes. They've also created a good site that offers a
sampling of a this frame process, and further demonstrates a code that we
can put on our sites to show people how to "break out" of the frame and
come to our free sites. If we all do this, it won't be long before those
paying for FamilyDiscovery.com services will catch on to the fact that
their paying to be linked to sites which are already on the Internet at no
charge.
This email will be in two parts.
I. A copy of the letter from FamilyDiscovery.com admitting (without any
shame, it appears) that they are charging to access a list of "links".
II. A copy of the posting concerning the committee meeting on how to code
your pages so that visitors to Family Discovery or other such outfits can
"break out" of their frame and go directly to explore your full site.
I know we all "love" to take the time to have to code every single page we
have! But, guess we need to do all we can to stop these gougers.
Thanks.
Corky
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:39:44 -0700
From: "Family Discovery" <sales(a)familydiscovery.com>
Cc: <STATE-COORD-L
Subject: FamilyDiscovery.com Inquiry Response:
Dear Genealogist:
Thank you for the inquiry we welcome feedback of all type from our clients.
In response to your recent feedback we would like to explain exactly what
familydiscovery.com is and how it definitely benefits the genealogical
community basically what familydiscovery.com does is provides genealogists
ith a growing search engine of genealogical links that takes you directly
to the type of information the enealogist is looking for within seconds.
If you have ever tried to search for a type of record online through a
search engine for Example: Webcrawler or Yahoo it can take hours and hours
to find the record you're looking for.
FamilyDiscovery.com's main goal is to try to compile every possible
recorded link online into a simple point and click atmosphere for our
genealogists to get research free online hence forth the One Time Access
Fee pays for our genealogists who take the time to setup and find the
records and put them into point and click format. It is not the
information itself that we are charging for as you are right, it is a
service "some of the harder to find information all ready on the web".
What our clients are being charged for is the ease of which the
information is accessible to genealogists maybe not as far advanced as
yourself.
We appreciate the feedback a great deal and will do our best to make it
clearer in our marketing promotions.
Sincerely,
FamilyDiscovery Staff
email(a)familydiscovery.com
http://www.familydiscovery.com
PS: We welcome you to post this email to any mailinglist/newsletter or
forum you may be hearing this material from.
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Hello,
Evidently there was a misunderstanding when you subscribed to our MTGEN-L
list and posted the message below. MTGEN-L is a mailing list for the
volunteer coordinators of MTGenWeb Project to discuss their work with the
Project and is not a genealogical mailing list. It has a limited number of
subscribers whose only interest in the list is exchanging ideas about our
Montana Project.
Thank you... and good luck with your endeavors!
Corky
At 03:24 PM 9/6/2000 -0400, GeoJenk(a)aol.com wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>I have the following detailed genealogical biographies on my site:
>http://www.geocities.com/geojenk
>
>They are located in my "All Things McKeesport" Section. These families had a
>significant impact on the W. Pa. area. They are from all over plus they
>spread all over the USA. These are not in my family, just a resource!
>
>AUGUSTIN, BALL, BRENNAN, BURKMAN, BUTLER, DENSMORE, DIEHL, DORLEMAN, DUNBAR,
>EDGAR, ENGLEHARDT, FLANAGAN, GEPHARDT, GORHAM, HISSRICH, HOLOSNYAY, JONES,
>KING, KNOX, KOUGHAN, LEARD, LIPPERT, HERBEL, ADAMS, BOYLE, KENNEDY, LONGMORE,
>LOVETT, MAURHOFF, MAYER, MCCOMBS, MCGREEVY, MCWILLIAMS, MORGAN, MORRIS,
>PORTER, ROSE, ROTHRAUF, SHERWIN, SPEER, SPILLMAN, WAGNER, WALKER, WHITE,
>WIGMAN
>
>Plus over 200 more.
>
>Blessings,
>
>George "DaPicMoocher" Jenkins
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
Greetings,
I have the following detailed genealogical biographies on my site:
http://www.geocities.com/geojenk
They are located in my "All Things McKeesport" Section. These families had a
significant impact on the W. Pa. area. They are from all over plus they
spread all over the USA. These are not in my family, just a resource!
AUGUSTIN, BALL, BRENNAN, BURKMAN, BUTLER, DENSMORE, DIEHL, DORLEMAN, DUNBAR,
EDGAR, ENGLEHARDT, FLANAGAN, GEPHARDT, GORHAM, HISSRICH, HOLOSNYAY, JONES,
KING, KNOX, KOUGHAN, LEARD, LIPPERT, HERBEL, ADAMS, BOYLE, KENNEDY, LONGMORE,
LOVETT, MAURHOFF, MAYER, MCCOMBS, MCGREEVY, MCWILLIAMS, MORGAN, MORRIS,
PORTER, ROSE, ROTHRAUF, SHERWIN, SPEER, SPILLMAN, WAGNER, WALKER, WHITE,
WIGMAN
Plus over 200 more.
Blessings,
George "DaPicMoocher" Jenkins
Does anyone need a transcriber or a helper in any way?
Please let me know :)
>Reply-To: <greenlight(a)conknet.com>
>From: "Janet Bloom" <greenlight(a)conknet.com>
>To: <chance(a)mail.eskimo.com>
>Subject: Would like to help with MTGEN site
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:36:53 -0400
>X-Priority: 3
>
>Hi!
>My name is Janet Eck Bloom, and I am a native of Montana (Helena) who now
>lives in New Hampshire. I found your website today while looking of news
>about the terrible fires, and decided to drop you a note. I would like to
>help, although I'm not sure what I can accomplish this far away. Please
>send me a note and let me know if I can help. Best regards- Janet
>e-mail: greenlight(a)conknet.com
--
Vicki Lindsay Thauvin <mailto:chance@eskimo.com>
Hi everyone,
I'm going to forward most of the latest State Coord. digest because I think
it could easily apply to a county site also. You all might want to
consider adding the applet she mentions onto your pages to prevent the
"shrink wrapping" of which she speaks. That process, as near as I
understand it, is when someone links to one of your pages and places it
inside of a frame - and the area around the frame is "their" name, "their"
site. It then gives the appearance that your page is theirs. If they do
this with a cemetery listing on your site, for instance, it will not refer
back to your page, but to theirs only. The java applet prevents them from
being able to do this. Here's the full scoop from the state coord digest
today. Corky
===============Digest=========
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:30:15 -0700
From: Joy Fisher <jfisher(a)ucla.edu>
To: STATE-COORD-L
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Possible Genealogy SCAM
Hi Everyone:
About 2 weeeks ago we received a complaint from an Archives submitter that
her materials were found on a genealogy subscription service:
www.familydiscovery.com
The submitter was able to do a little digging and found that they were
linking to her files housed on her server, but shrink-wrapped inside a
frame so it appears to be THEIR work. About 10 days ago, to investigate
this, I signed up with familydiscovery. To date, I have not received a user
id or password to get inside. The registered owners of the web site gave
bogus telephone numbers in their registration. One number goes to a
recorded message line; the other to a carpet company. Some of the e-mail
addys on their web site bounce.
Standing on the outside and looking through the window, it appears that
several folks' web sites have been prize-mined:
http://www.familydiscovery.com/whatsnew.htm
The Storey Co., IA and the Washington Co., PA stuff seem to come from
USGenWeb sites. Some of the other IA and NC stuff seems to come from
non-USGW sites. None of the materials seem to be housed at either rootsweb
or usgennet.
I would suggest we all add the Java applet to bust out of the shrink-wrapping:
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<!-- Hide script from old browsers
if (top.location !=self.location) {
top.location = self.location
}
// End hiding script from old browsers -->
</SCRIPT>
This needs to be inserted between <HTML> and <TITLE> on every web page.
If you have text files on your web site, you will need to add a little
shrink wrapping of your own:
Create a blank web page -- use the tags <PRE> </PRE> --- and paste your
text file in between the <PRE> and the </PRE> -- and be sure to add the
Java applet.
If anyone out there is or has been a member of familydiscovery -- or has
been ripped off by them, I would like to hear from you.
Permission is granted to forward this message.
______________________________
X-Message: #2
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:48:39 -0500
From: Connie Snyder <cjsnyder(a)midusa.net>
>
Do you mean that if a site has information on it that shows the info
about what site is a part of and/or a link to the main page, that part
is eliminated so that viewers can't see it?
Connie
______________________________X-Message: #3
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:30:33 -0600
From: Suzanne Leonard <sleonard(a)wyoming.com>
>www.familydiscovery.com
Did you contact the person listed below?
11NET (NETBLK-HURRICANE-CE0099-2834)
732 Vera Avenue
Redwood City, CA 94061
US
Netname: HURRICANE-CE0099-2834
Netblock: 216.218.206.128 - 216.218.206.255
Coordinator:
Yurchenko, Kirill (KY36-ARIN) admin(a)11NET.COM
650-299-0500
Record last updated on 22-Feb-2000.
Database last updated on 31-Aug-2000 06:25:07 EDT.
______________________________X-Message: #4
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:43:36 -0700
From: Joy Fisher <jfisher(a)ucla.edu>
Yep -- and the company that dinged my credit card!
______________________________
X-Message: #5
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:15:56 -0700
From: Joy Fisher <jfisher(a)ucla.edu>
Hi Connie:
No part of what is on your site is eliminated, but you are easily fooled
into believing that the information is only available at their site.
Here is a little test site:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdgenweb/test/test.html
Click on the Rhode Island Link first (I hope the RI SC doesn't add the
Applet just yet!)
See how it looks like the RI site belongs to me?? Click on a link or two.
The top still says it's my site. If a newbie bookmarks this, they will go
back to my site, rather than Rhode Island.
Now use your browser's back button to get back to my original page. Click
on the Illinois link
Richard has installed a break out -- so now you know where you actually
are. Even newbies can book mark this to get back to the IL page.
______________________________X-Message: #7
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:47:29 -0500
From: Connie Snyder <cjsnyder(a)midusa.net>
Thanks, Joy,
We've had problems with this type of thing before, and we always just tried to
make sure that we had something on every page that leads back to our main
pages. I'm not sure I like having to use javascript to fix it, though. What
makes this so bad, is that they are charging for people to follow these links
to our pages. Have you contacted anyone that could legally close them down?
Does the FBI investigate things like this? It sure looks like a scam to me.
Connie
___________________________
X-Message: #10
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:15:38 -0400
From: Pam Reid <pamreid(a)home.com>
Hi Joy,
How would this work for text files that are in the Archives? I read the
instructions on protecting text files, but do we need to do this to
archived text files?
Thanks, Pam
______________________________X-Message: #11
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:35:59 -0700
From: Joy Fisher <jfisher(a)ucla.edu>
Pam:
So far they do not seem to have touched the Archives. Should that happen,
we will talk to the rw gurus to block access from their domain.
End of today's digest
Corky Knebel
MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html