ELIASSFK(a)aol.com,Internet writes:
Thanks for the info on your ELIAS family. As far as I know at
present,
my
ELIAS family did not venture further into Wales than Monmouth, but you
never
know what I might find!
I happen to have 1881 census in my CD drive
6106 hits for Elias surname
I certainly was not aware that my GG grandfather
William was born in London, so who knows. I do not yet know anything
about
him other than the fact that he was born in 1833, was married to
Charlotte,
who was born in Monmouth, and he was a plasterer by trade. If I track
him
and siblings down, I will let you know in case there is a tie-in.
I have been told that official surnames were adopted later in Wales
than
England, and there was a practice of calling someone XX son of XX (in
Welsh
ab or ap, I think?)
according to whether the last name starts with a vowel or a consonant
. Elias is apparently a fairly common first name in
Wales, so perhaps the Welsh Elias surname is in part derived from that
practice. I am sure someone on the list will know much more about this
than
me - in fact I suspect everyone on the list will know more about it
than me!
80 Elias Elias in Wales in 1881
but CD uses Ellis and Elias as alternative spellings
The Resource File Viewer version 4.02 (there is a patch)
reduced that to 7 "Elias Elias"
Menu >> Search >> Neighbours - Advanced query . . .
searched for "solicitors clerk" found about 296 in the whole of Wales
solicitors - 731
- " - 296
clerk - 6805
one tip paste the longer search query in as it starts searching at once
before I have finished typing :-(
shift F9 is a short cut to matches
"solicitors clerk" Pontypool
found one but in Cardiff lodging with a Railway Guard with a wife from
Pontypool
the advanced query is household based
Kilgeddin found 50
Llanvan Kilgeddin
Kilgeddin Llanvair
while Llanvair Kilgeddin is normal (Llanfair Cilgedin or Kilgedin also
occurs in RL)
A very general search of the internet has led me to wonder whether
the
London
Elias family is of Jewish origin.
A biblical name does not mean Jewish
a Yiddish (like German) name might
Unfortunately the only living relative I
have who might be able to help is not being very helpful. Do others
have
this problem?
probably does not know
good luck
Hugh W
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Elias ELIAS W 51 M Cardigan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Collier
Richard B. ELIAS M 30 M Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Miner
Margaret ELIAS M 31 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Wife
Elias ELIAS 4 M Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Ann ELIAS 3 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Dwelling: Ffosyr...brg Cott
Census Place: Bedwellty, Monmouth, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342263 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5248 Folio 104
Page 15
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
David ELIAS W 52 M Bedwellty
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer 13 Acres
David ELIAS U 24 M Bedwellty
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Mine Haulier
Jane ELIAS U 22 F Bedwellty
Rel: Daur
Occ: Housekeeper
May Or Mary A. ELIAS U 20 F Bedwellty
Rel: Daur
Occ: Dressmaker
Elias ELIAS U 17 M Bedwellty
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Mine Haulier
Thomas ELIAS U 13 M Bedwellty
Rel: Son
Occ: Mason Lab
Dwelling: Penbrynon Farm
Census Place: Bedwellty, Monmouth, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342263 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5248 Folio 106
Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Daniel ELIAS M 39 M Monmouth, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer 120 Acres
Mary ELIAS M 45 F Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Wife
Annie ELIAS U 15 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Dairymaid (Ag Lab)
Gwenllian ELIAS U 13 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Working At Home (Ag Lab)
Pheobe ELIAS U 12 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Elias ELIAS U 11 M Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Elizabeth ELIAS U 9 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Hannah ELIAS U 6 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Mary ELIAS U 3 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Esther ELIAS U 1 F Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Dwelling: 1 Pottery Row
Census Place: Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342279 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5312 Folio 42
Page 24
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elias ELIAS M 41 M Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Eliza ELIAS M 41 F Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Wife
Benjamin GRIFFITH U 20 M Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Coal Miner
Dwelling: 8 Cunard Row
Census Place: Michaelstone Super Avon, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342285 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5337 Folio 24
Page 45
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elias ELIAS M 56 M Briton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Weigher
Ann ELIAS M 59 F Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
Rel: Wife
James PARRY U 29 M Ystradgynlais, Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Stepson
Occ: Pudler (Iron)
Mary ELIAS U 26 F Cwmavon, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Brickmoulder
Dwelling: Nantyglaisaid Church Rd
Census Place: Llantwit Lower, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342287 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5342 Folio 20
Page 33
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elias ELIAS M 56 M Lantwit, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Elizabeth ELIAS M 52 F Lantwit, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Wife
Occ: Coal Miner Wife
Morgan ELIAS 16 M Lantwit, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
James ELIAS 13 M Lantwit, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
David THOMAS 7 M Lantwit, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar
Dwelling: 6 Wesley Terrace
Census Place: Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342311 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5450 Folio 99
Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elias ELIAS M 50 M Blaenporth, Cardigan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Lead Miner
Eleanor ELIAS M 48 F Tremain, Cardigan, Wales
Rel: Wife
Occ: Lead Miner Wife
Thomas ELIAS U 23 M Llangyfelin, Cardigan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Lead Miner
Benjamin ELIAS U 21 M Llangyfelin, Cardigan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Lead Miner
Anne J. ELIAS 14 F Melindwr, Cardigan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Milliners Apprentice