The 1851 image suggests that William was born in Llandingat ( the parish
that includes Llandovery)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llandingad/index.html
around 1820
and Ann born what appears to be something like Llangerris or Llangarris or
Llanyerris
In 1861 William is mysteriously older, born about 1813 in 'Tingcat',
Carmarthenshire - again likely to be Llandingat
but Ann is from 'Llanyrwse' which might perhaps be Llan-y-Crwys and born
about 1821
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llan-y-Crwys/index.html
In 1871 William now 56 (about 1815) was again from Llandingad and Ann 51
(1820) born Llangwrist which again might perhaps be Llanycrwys (Llancrwys)
The place they both lived in 1845 marriage register was Penycae. There is a
modern Heol Pen-y-cae in Beaufort, above Ebbw Vale, but this may not be near
the same place. Pen y cae is simply 'top of the field' so is quite a common
location name in Wales.
Neither signed their name, so may not have been able to read or write, and
this may have contributed to attempts by successive census enumerators to
render places of birth phonetically.
There was a William Morgan baptised in Llandingad (Llandingat) 22 December
1816 son of Samuel and Sarah Morgan of Llandovery. Samuel was a labourer.
There was an Anne Llewellyn baptised 11 October 1818 in Llanarthne, daughter
of John Llewellyn, Carpenter, of Brynspyddit, and an Anne Llewelyn baptised
10th March 1816 daughter of David and Anne Llewelyn, Farmer, of what appears
to be Peodefach. Neither seems to fit.
In 1845 William was a Shearer, presumably in an iron works. The early
children seem to have been born in Nantyglo
In 1851 he was a Shearer
In 1861 a Shearer at Iron Works, with two sons who were puddlers
There was a William Morgan age '25' with wife Anne '25' and son David 2,
none born in county, at Nantyglo Iron Works in 1841 census - he was a
puddler. There were a married miner and an unmarried collier, neither born
in Monmouthshire, in Tredegar age 25 in the same census. William Morgan is a
fairly common name at the time, but there was one aged 25, born in County,
an agricultural labourer in the hamlet of Trecastle, Llandilofawr parish,
Carmarthenshire in 1841.
May I assume that you are fairly sure that you have the right marriage? They
were shown as bachelor and spinster there.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Zimmerman" <zimmerman409(a)charter.net>
To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:22 PM
Subject: [MON] Ann LLewellyn and William Morgan of Ebbw Vale.
Seeking help with the subject individuals who were married 15
December,
1845 in the Chapel of St George, at Tredegar, Parish of Bedwelty,
Monmouthshire.
Both were born in Carmarthenshire, William in Llanoeryas (?), Ann in
Llandrris (?)
Residence at the time of marriage; Ren y Dal (?) and/or Pen y Cal (?).
Both of Full Age. Fathers; William Morgan and William Llewellyn.
If any record of the Banns is available from this Church, would welcome
any information that may provide.
In 1851 census they were in Wales; Piece 2448, Folio 693, Page 16
In 1861 census they were in Wales; Piece 4005, Folio 20, Page 2
In 1871 census they were in Wales; Piece 5325, Folio 5, Page 4.
Can someone find them for me in 1841?
David Zimmerman
USA
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