Thank you Trevor, but this James would not be a direct ancestor. Richard
CHRISTOPHER and his family were in Newport from 1811.
However, your James may give me another line to search for an earlier
family. Richard does say he was born in Monmouthshire, but as I have not
found him there I should look further afield. If I do not find him then I
can give more thought to the much older chap.
Thanks for floating it - if I find out anything about his antecedents I will
let you know.
best wishes
Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "trevor" <tjwilliams(a)iinet.net.au>
To: "Anne" <anne.welch(a)virgin.net>; <MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Mon] Re: [GLA] Patronymics - CHRISTOPHER?
Anne,
Re your CHRISTOPHER surname, I have a James Christopher born 9 April 1830,
Cwmgu Cwmdu, Breconshire. I have no information on his antecedents, but
quite a lot on his descendants.
I don't know if this is of interest to you but thought I would float it
past
you just in case.
Trevor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne" <anne.welch(a)virgin.net>
To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: [Mon] Re: [GLA] Patronymics - CHRISTOPHER?
| Thanks Reg
|
| I am at the stage where I am having to consider patronymics and surnames
in
| my search for ancestors and I am finding it very difficult. I have been
| searching for the baptism for one individual for well over 20 years.
|
| In various censuses he indicates that he was born in Monmouthshire, and
that
| would have been in the 1780s, and although I have found various parishes
| where the surname CHRISTOPHER existed then I cannot find a baptism for
| Richard. There is only one of these parishes where the relevant records
| have not survived for the years I require. (Redwick, Mon)
|
| I am quite daunted at the prospect of having to search the parish
records
of
| Monmouthshire for a father with the christian name of Christopher who
| baptised a son Richard in the 1780s. It's one thing to search for a
| surname - but I suppose it is a less common christian name. There
aren't
| many people with CHRISTOPHER as a surname.
|
| I had thought this was quite late for patronymics, but your example has
made
| me reconsider this.
|
| Advice would be welcome!
|
| best wishes
|
| Anne
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Davies, Dr R." <rd9(a)leicester.ac.uk>
| To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 9:22 AM
| Subject: [GLA] Patronymics - Evidence from Trinity House Petitions
|
|
| > Mariners or their families who fell on hard times could petition
Trinity
| House for a pension. These documents are held at the Society of
| Genealogists, London and survive from 1787 to 1854.
| > The petitioner concerned had to prove his age and family relationships
if
| applying for support for his wife and family. So the petitions are often
| accompanied by supporting evidence in the form of certified entries from
| parish registers.
| > I am transcribing the 830 or so petitions with any Welsh connection
and
| below show that the derivation of modern Welsh surnames via the
patronymic
| naming system can be complex.
| >
| > A Straight forward example:
| >
| > Petition of Griffith Davies in 1849. Certificate of baptism at
Blaenporth,
| CGN: 1779, Griffith a son to David John Griffith xtend May 15.
| >
| > Not so straight forward example:
| >
| > Petition of John Davies in 1816. Certificate of baptism at Cadoxton
near
| Neath, GLA: John son of John Edwards Abbey was baptised 14 October
1752.
NB
| Mr John Davies's father took the christian name of his father for his
| surname who was called Edward Davies. The subject of this certificate
has
| assumed the right name of John Davies, (Comment of the incumbent).
| >
| > Do you like a puzzle?:
| >
| > Petition of Griffith Davies in 1847. Certificate of baptism at Penbryn
| parish, CGN: John son of Henry Lloyd was baptised Nber 2nd. Griffith son
of
| John Joshua was baptised the same day.
| > A letter supporting his case by the vicar of Penbryn, CGN states:
Griffith
| Davies is son to John Joshua who was also named as the father of the
above
| mentioned person. John Joshua was generally called John Josia
David
| Griffith. There is often in Wales great uncertainty respecting surnames
as
| persons sometimes assume the christian name of their father,
sometimes
of
| their grandfather as well as the family name for their surnames.
Hence
| probably arose the discrepancy in the name of the person mentioned in
the
| certificate.
| >
| > hwyl / regards
| >
| > Reg Davies
| >
| > Indexing Welsh born or Wales resident mariners, a searchable database
of
| over 22,000 entries can be seen at
www.welshmariners.org.uk
| >
| >
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