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Subject: MONMOUTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 315
Today's Topics:
1. Re: 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES (Hugh Watkins)
2. Re: Occupation 'Ladle Dauber'? (Hugh Watkins)
3. Re: 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES (B1oatley(a)aol.com)
4. INQUEST REPORTS (xrhiannonpricex(a)aol.com)
5. Re: 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES (Azusuk1(a)aol.com)
6. Re: 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES (Azusuk1(a)aol.com)
7. Re: Occupation 'Ladle Dauber'? (L Behnke)
8. Re: INQUEST REPORTS (Brad Rogers)
9. Re: INQUEST REPORTS (Gareth Morgan)
10. Re: 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES (Hugh Watkins)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:57:01 +0000
From: "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES
To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
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please give the reference for the 1841 census
Hugh W
On 29/11/2007, Azusuk1(a)aol.com <Azusuk1(a)aol.com> wrote:
If anyone has access to 1851 census for Monmouthshire I would be
grateful
for check on whether the following are listed:
JAMES JONES age 70-74 Ag.Lab., Place of birth unknown
ANN JONES age 65-69 wife, Place of birth unknown.
They are living at Pen-yr-heol, nr. Penrhos in 1841 census.
Many thanks
David
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:03:12 +0000
From: "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MON] Occupation 'Ladle Dauber'?
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google is your friend
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&am...
Ladle Liner
In ore dressing, smelting, and refining, a person who repairs and
relines pouring ladles used to transport molten metals, such as iron,
steel, and copper. Also called ladle cleaner; ladle dauber; ladle
houseman; ladle mender; ladle patcher; ladle repairman. DOT
then look at some images
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&um=1&hl=en&lr=&...
the work would include chipping out slag with a hammer when the ladle
was cold and repairing the lining with fireclay
Hugh W
On 30/11/2007, Ann Macey <annmacey(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
I would think that a Ladle Dauber would be a person who daubs at the
surface
of the molten iron to hold back the 'slag' when the ladle is tipped to pour
the iron into the pig moulds.
Ann Macey
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:42:28 EST
From: B1oatley(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES
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Hello David,
On the 1841 Census it states that they were born in the County of
Monmouthshire, I located James in 1861 living in England with his son James, by this
date wife Ann was dead, no sign of them in 1851.
Regards Barbara
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:55:55 -0500
From: xrhiannonpricex(a)aol.com
Subject: [MON] INQUEST REPORTS
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Hiya All
I am interested in obtaining an inquest report from 1885 how likely would it be that these
would be availabe?
Where would I obtain them from & how much would they cost?
Any info welcomed
Thanks!
Rhi
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:11:07 EST
From: Azusuk1(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES
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Thanks for that Barbara.
Regards
David
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:26:59 EST
From: Azusuk1(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES
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Hello Hugh,
Here is info requested:
RG No. HO107
Piece: 747
Book/Folio No.; 18/7
Page No: 6
Civil Parish: Penrose
Sub District: Dingestow.
Regards and thank you,
David
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:50:28 -0500
From: L Behnke <behnke24(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MON] Occupation 'Ladle Dauber'?
To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
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Yes, it is actually Bilston. My mistake. How easy it is to mess up the important
facts!Thanks Jeff, for the link, lots of good info there, including on the St Marys church
where they married. Thanks to all the others who responded with suggestions as well,
especially Hugh with the great links and photos! I knew the experts from this list would
be a great resource!> From: jeff.coleman(a)ntlworld.com> To:
monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:33:28 +0000> Subject: Re:
[MON] Occupation 'Ladle Dauber'?> > If this is actually Bilston rather than
Bilson, see >
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Bilston/index.html>> >
Jeff> ----- Original Message ----- Profession as what appears to be "Ladle
Dauber".I've tried some of the > > on-line old occupation guides without
luck. Would anyone have any idea > > what this job this would be?
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:10:06 +0000
From: Brad Rogers <brad(a)fineby.me.uk>
Subject: Re: [MON] INQUEST REPORTS
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:55:55 -0500
xrhiannonpricex(a)aol.com wrote:
Hello xrhiannonpricex(a)aol.com,
I am interested in obtaining an inquest report from 1885 how likely
would it be that these would be availabe? Where would I obtain them
It's unlikely that they would still be extant. Coroners were only
required to keep them for 15 years, after which time they were usually
destroyed. Exceptions were made for "important" cases, but then, a 75
year non-disclosure rule applies.
from & how much would they cost?
Try local or county record offices. Cost would probably vary
according to number of pages to be copied, etc. However, a far better
option would be to search local newspapers of the time, as they nearly
always carried reports of coroners' inquests. Sometimes, in quite
lurid detail.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:39:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: Gareth Morgan <morgangareth36(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MON] INQUEST REPORTS
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Hello Rhian
Coroner's records/inquests
The office of coroner was established in 1194.
Coroners hold inquests into suspicious or sudden
deaths, they also decide on whether valuable finds are
treasure trove.
An inquest into a death would be heard by a jury which
consisted of between 12 and 23 people up until 1926,
but between 7 and 11 after that. Coroners
traditionally had jurisdiction over a county, some
boroughs had their own, but in 1888 counties were
divided into districts and a coroner was thereafter
appointed by the local authority. Coroners became
salaried from 1860.
Many coroners' records have been lost or destroyed,
any surviving from before 1875 are now officially
preserved but records over 15 years old can be
destroyed apart from those relating to treasure trove
and any deemed to be in the public interest, those
being transferred to local public Archives. Any
surviving records are to be found at the PRO, there is
a Gibson Guide to Coroners' Records published by the
FFHS and this should be consulted before starting a
detailed search. These records are generally only open
to public access after 75 years, unless especially
authorised by a coroner. The actual records should
include the depositions of witnesses, minute details
of events leading up to the death, the name, age,
address, and cause of death of the deceased, details
of evidence presented, and of course the inquest
court's verdict.
Given the fact that many coroners' records are not
extant , or closed by time, it is potentially very
useful that many inquest verdicts since the C18 were
reported by local newspapers, often in great detail.
The County Archives or main local reference Libraries
are the most likely source of extant newspapers and
indeed some have been indexed.
Some early records have been published, early records
are generally in Latin and rarely calendered.
A death certificate should record whether a coroner's
inquest was held on the death concerned, the burial
register should also show this fact even pre 1837.
Since 1837 a certificate is required from a Registrar
or the coroner before a body can be buried or
cremated.
In modern times the coroner is advised by the
registrar if the deceased had not been seen by a
doctor within two weeks of the death; or had suffered
a recent accident, violence, industrial disease or
medical operation failure. Still births might also be
referred to the coroner by the Registrar in
circumstances where there is a suspicion that the
child was alive when born.
Until 1926 coroner's jury was obliged to actually view
the corpse, the coroner still had to do so right up
until 1980.
Gareth
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:11:52 +0000
From: "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 Mon.look-up request- JAMES & ANN JONES
To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
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Yes a a variant spelling of Ragland in a cheltenham resident g g
grandfather hid him from me in 1851
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/census/uk/default.aspx
1841 Wales Census
about James Jones
Name: James Jones
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Penrose
Hundred: Ragland (Lower Division)
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: PENEROWL by YOUTREE COTTAGE sic
Occupation: View Image
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Dingestow
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
Ann Jones 55
James Jones 60
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8979&path=Monmout...
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 747; Book: 18; Civil Parish:
Penrose; County: Monmouthshire; Enumeration District: 22; Folio: 7;
Page: 6; Line: 22; GSU roll: 438844.
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is this your peple?
1861 England Census
about James Jones
Name: James Jones
Age: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Perrose, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia Jones 11
Elizth Jones 14
James Jones 49 head coachman
James Jones 81 father
Sarah Jones 48
1861 England Census
about James Jones
Name: James Jones
Age: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Perrose, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View Image
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia Jones 11
Elizth Jones 14
James Jones 49
James Jones 81
Sarah Jones 48
View
Original
Record
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8767&path=Glouces...
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1802; Folio: 94; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542870.
I am looking for Hundington, Gloucestershire, England in 1851
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path=Glouces...
not listed possibly lost or an error
Brockington, Gloucestershire, England is also aproblem
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Parishes.html
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
catalogue s lists lost census pieces
I wanted to use Amleuia as a pointer
do you have a good birth palce for her ?
No more time
Hugh W
On 30/11/2007, Azusuk1(a)aol.com <Azusuk1(a)aol.com> wrote:
Hello Hugh,
Here is info requested:
RG No. HO107
Piece: 747
Book/Folio No.; 18/7
Page No: 6
Civil Parish: Penrose
Sub District: Dingestow.
Regards and thank you,
David
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