Thanks Erin, I'll keep you in mind as well.
Did you find those references on Ancenstry.com? I have never found a record of their
marriage, but I wonder if that is indeed them, as according to my records, they
would've had 2 kids already by the time they got married! Possibly not that common in
those days, but the names aren't common, especially when looking at marriages. The
plot always thickens, doesn't it?!
Regards,Wendy
From: Erin Sullivan <erinsullivan_aus(a)yahoo.com>
To: 'Wendy O'Brien' <wob303(a)yahoo.com>; monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com;
'Clare Dubay' <dubays(a)tpg.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: [MON] Lawler family
Hello,
I also have Lawlers in my tree so read these emails just to see if they are connected to
my Lawlers. Still not sure . However I did come across a couple of Trees in ancestry and
elsewhere that have your Catherine and George in them. It seems that they married in South
Africa (Capetown) May 31 1864.
There were migration schemes about for the Colonies ( I am no expert and just starting to
look at this) for South Africa and subsequently also a scheme to bring Irish in SA to New
Zealand. So very confusing at the moment to track which Lawlers ended up where in the
end. Agree there are a few Daniel Lawlers in Kings County.
Sorry cant be of much help but will remember you if I find more.
Erin
-----Original Message-----
From: monmouthshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Wendy O'Brien via
Sent: 31 May 2015 11:45
To: Clare Dubay; monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [MON] Lawler family
Hello Clare & List,
Wendy here - South African, living in San Francisco.
My great-great grandmother was Catherine Lawler, born in Banagher, King's Country,
Ireland on 5 September 1837, married my great-great-grandfather, George Willett (born
Colchester), and they went to South Africa (I don't know when). I have never managed
to find much information on Catherine, despite having her birth date - no birth or baptism
record. It didn't help that I don't have her mother's name, and wasn't
even sure that her father's name, Daniel was correct, plus that's such a common
Irish man's name!
I thought I'd put this information in this email, since it's been awhile that
I've reached out to the list, and one never knows if there are new members or new
sources of information out there.
Anyway, whilst I unfortunately can't offer any help with your Lawlers', one thing
caught my eye in your email. I am curious how or where you found out that they moved from
Ireland to Wales, London, South Africa, NZ and Australia. Are you referring to this one
family that are "your" Lawlers', or different branches of the Lawler
family? I haven't ever been successful searching ships records, so I'd love to
know what your resource was.
Would appreciate hearing back from you, and anyone who can maybe help me with my
Lawler/Willett. In the meantime, I am mulling, and if I think of another avenue for you,
I'll pass it along.
Thanks, and regards,Wendy
From: Clare Dubay via <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 AM
Subject: [MON] Lawler family
I am sending this request to both the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire List.
Currently I am researching an Irish Catholic family named Lawler, who spent approximately
10 years in Wales after leaving Ireland: that was before they moved on to London, South
Africa, New Zealand and eventually, Australia.
Having hit the 'brick wall' with my research in Wales, I am hoping that someone
can give me some more help. (I have had good leads from the list
before.)
James and Esther (Essie) Lawler appear on the 1851 census of Cwmdare, living at Penywaun
with their sons Michael, 5 (born in Dublin) and John, 2 born in Aberdare. James is
described as an 'excavator of iron mine'.
I am very keen to find a record of the next son born, Hugh, as this was my
grandfather: Hugh was probably born in 1854, possibly in Monmouthshire. I cannot find any
record of his birth or christening. On his marriage certificate, it states that Hugh was
born in Penrith, Wales. I assume this to be a misrepresentation of Penarth: are there any
other possibilities?
Being RC, it follows that John and Hugh were christened soon after birth.
Following on from information given to me previously, I have been looking for baptism
records from the few RC churches in Glamorgan and Monmouthshire at the time, but with no
luck so far.
Would there be any school records that I could search for Michael?
Would there be any records of employment available to search?
The family had moved on to London by the end of 1856. But I can find no record of father
James, and the two eldest sons, Michael and John, on the
1861 census in London. I did find a John Sawlor on the Glamorgan census of that year. In
the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil, parish of Merthyr Tydfil, sub-district
Merthyr Tydfil, there is 12 year old John Sawlor. Could somebody please identify the rest
of the household for me?
I would be grateful for any suggestions that you can make, as I am running out of ideas.
Thanking you
Clare in Victoria, Australia
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