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Hi,
I would be grateful for some advice re birth registrations.
I have been trawling through Ancestry's new Birth Index for 1916 to 2005 which is a really great source apart from various towns being in the wrong counties - for example Weymouth is given as being in Berkshire/Oxfordshire and Bournemouth is Sussex/Isle of Wight ! So, be aware if searching by county !
My mother was born in Castle Street, Newport in April 1921 to Susie Pitman ( nee Hounsell). Her father's name on her birth certificate is George Svenson which I know to be correct. However on looking through the GRO indices I find that there is a Cynthia M. Pitman in June quarter 1921 and also a Cynthia M.Svenson in the same year and quarter. I checked both entries and they have the same Volume and Page numbers so are obviously the same person.
I wondered if anyone has encountered the same double registration or if anyone knows why this may have been recorded twice?
Sue Irvine
Hi Janet,
There is at least one book available about old Nantyglo and Blaina, whether
there is a photo in it or not though I couldn't say. I'll check to see if my
father has a copy and if he does maybe we could scan it for you, but I don't
think he has that book in his collection, his interest was more Abertillery
and southward.
You may even find a copy of Old Blaina & Nantyglo on eBay?
Just had a quick squiz but there's only one book and it's not that one, but
it "could" still be of great interest to you:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLAINA-NANTYGLO-BRYMAWR-ARCHIVE-PHOTOS-T-ROWSON_W0Q...
Kind regards, Jon
The link I have takes you to a site "The History of Nantyglo and Blaina" by
David James. The link I have is -
_http://www.huwcole.com/nanttitle.html_
(http://www.huwcole.com/nanttitle.html)
If this doesn't work try googling A History of Nantyglo and Blaina and you
will find the site there. Scroll to the bottom of the Chapter 4 and you'll
find links to the rest of the document.
Hope you can access it ok.
Regards
David
dear all
I am researching a history of Blaina and am hoping that
someone may have some information on the above where I was born in the 1950,S
needless to say the building is no longer there. a photograph would be a
real bonus.
thank you Janet
Re Mary Ann Fitzgerald b.1836.
Many thanks to all the kind persons who emailed me with information and
advice. Appreciate your kindness. I will keep digging to find out where her
birthplace was in Ireland.
Again many thanks for your kindness.
Kind regards,
Mary ........and yes it is still raining in North Queensland Australia.
G'day Mary
Not good news I am afraid. Your problem is commonplace for those people
born about the time that registration of BDM was introduced to England &
Wales on 1 July 1837. If your ancestor was born in Ireland then you
will have to discover to which part of Ireland "Greenhill" might refer.
If your ancestor was born in 1836 in England & Wales there is no BMD
index or certificate for that time only parish registry records. The
Ebbw Vale records may not be available as transcripts. A quick search
via Google doesn't immediately throw up any transcripts but I know that
some family history records are held at Ebbw Vale Library 21 Bethcar
Street Ebbw Vale Gwent NP3 6HH . I don't have an email address for them
but the Familai URL
http://www.familia.org.uk/services/wales/blaenau_gwent.html gives the
address that I have just quoted. County records are also held at the
Cwymbran Record Office and their email address is
gwent.records(a)torfaen.gov.uk <mailto:gwent.records@torfaen.gov.uk> and
details of its collections can be found at the following URL.
http://www.llgc.org.uk/cac/cac0004.htm .
Sorry not to be of more help but you could try Ebbw Vale and Cwmbran.
--
Ray Lewis
Hazelmere Western Australia
Western Australian Genealogy Society Member #7692
Full list of name interests at http://www.wags.org.au/mid/7692.htm
Mary Mizzi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can some kind person help me sort out this mystery please.<snipped>
Hi Oliver
I have looked at the 1881 census and it shows the Arch Houses to be in the Cwm Celyn area of Blaina. To one side were "Edmund Henry Houses" and to the other side "Lower Ten Houses" and "Upper Ten Houses".
In 1871 Thomas and Dianah (yes it's spelt like that) were already living at the Arch Houses.
In 1891 Dinah Evans was listed as a widow, living at no 27 Cwm Celyn Road, Blaina, so Thomas must have died between 1881 and 1891. (Possibly 1889?)
In 1901 Dinah was living at River Row, Blaina.
My theory is that "the Arch Houses" were part of Cwm Celyn Road before it got formally numbered. There would have been a lot of house-building throughout the 19th century to accommodate all the workers in the iron works and coal mines. Other listers may be more well-informed as to exactly where the Arch Houses were, or where to obtain further information such as old street maps.
Best of luck
Jane.
--- On Thu, 29/1/09, Lampreyo(a)aol.com <Lampreyo(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: Lampreyo(a)aol.com <Lampreyo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [MON] Blaina c 1880
To: janedyer99(a)btinternet.com
Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 1:31 PM
dear Jane
thanks for your interest in my family.on the 1881 census they were listed as
Thomas Evans head of the family age 37
..in ah Dinah Evan wife age 33
resident at Arch houses Aberystruth Monmouth Wales.
Thank you Oliver
Hello,
Can some kind person help me sort out this mystery please.
I have been trying to get my g/g/grandmother, Mary Ann Fitzgerald's birth
certificate dated 1836. It seems that the first details I was given , "Irish
of Greenhill", 1841, which some kind person checked out and found her with
her father Timothy Fitzgerald, Tinman, b.1784 Ireland, and she was
supposedly born in 1836 in Ireland, making her 5 years old but cannot find
anyone else looking after her. Now I was also told that in the 1851 census,
she was born in Ebbw Vale or Abervale Mons. Can someone also give me the
name of the Registry of BDM's please in this area and if they are
online...or....give me some advice on who to contact next about this. In all
other censuses, 1861-1901 she is shown as born in Ireland. Does anyone have
the 1841 and 1851 Census of Mons please and check it out? Most of the info I
have received is from people on lists in Glamorgan.
Her fathers history has been found in all the censuses in Swansea but I
think he may have come over from Ireland and worked in Abervale before he
went to Swansea.....so where was May Ann born and why wasnt her Mum with
her? Did she die giving birth to Mary Ann? I have been trying to sort out
this problem for many years so I can send for her B/certificate.
Could it have been the transcribers mistake about Abervale? or is there some
bright person who is a "magician" on this list who can sort it out please?
Many thanks,
Mary in very rainy weather in North Queensland Australia.
There's a Greenhill in Co. Donegal, too. And another in Northern
Ireland near Enniskillen.
Irish state registration started in 1845 for Church of Ireland
births, 1862 for all denominations. The problem with parish records
in Ireland is that many were destroyed in 1922 when the GRO in Dublin
was firebombed.
If it's the one in Co. Antrim, you need to try PRONI in Belfast, for
Co. Donegal, the records are held in Roscommon, but there's a copy of
indexes held in the Irish Life Centre in Dublin.
There are no Irish censuses until 1901 because the British Government
'pulped then to save space'!!
Looking at the indexes for civil registration on the LDS pilot site
which has just been added
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=...
the Fitzgeralds seem to be fairly scattered, so that's not much help
in pinning it down.
-Jean.
At 07:06 29/01/2009, you wrote:
>Having done a quick search on the web Irish of Greenhill could have
>applied to 2 things.
>Greenhill which according to the web could have been the area of
>Swansea they lived in or there is a Greenhill in county Antrim Ireland.
>
>
>
>
>--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Mary Mizzi <mmizzi(a)dodo.com.au> wrote:
>
>From: Mary Mizzi <mmizzi(a)dodo.com.au>
>Subject: [MON] Mystery Birth place Abervale
>To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
>Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:01 PM
>
>Hello,
>
>Can some kind person help me sort out this mystery please.
>
>I have been trying to get my g/g/grandmother, Mary Ann Fitzgerald's birth
>certificate dated 1836. It seems that the first details I was given ,
>"Irish
>of Greenhill", 1841, which some kind person checked out and found her with
>
>her father Timothy Fitzgerald, Tinman, b.1784 Ireland, and she was
>supposedly born in 1836 in Ireland, making her 5 years old but cannot find
>anyone else looking after her. Now I was also told that in the 1851 census,
>she was born in Ebbw Vale or Abervale Mons. Can someone also give me the
>name of the Registry of BDM's please in this area and if they are
>online...or....give me some advice on who to contact next about this. In all
>other censuses, 1861-1901 she is shown as born in Ireland. Does anyone have
>the 1841 and 1851 Census of Mons please and check it out? Most of the info I
>have received is from people on lists in Glamorgan.
>Her fathers history has been found in all the censuses in Swansea but I
>think he may have come over from Ireland and worked in Abervale before he
>went to Swansea.....so where was May Ann born and why wasnt her Mum with
>her? Did she die giving birth to Mary Ann? I have been trying to sort out
>this problem for many years so I can send for her B/certificate.
>Could it have been the transcribers mistake about Abervale? or is there some
>bright person who is a "magician" on this list who can sort it out
>please?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Mary in very rainy weather in North Queensland Australia.
>
>
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Thank .you for your interest . My family EVANS were on the 1881 census as
living in The Arches Blaina either Aberystruth or Bedwelty I am not sure.
Arches does not not exist so I am trying to find out where exactly. Thank you
Oliver
Having done a quick search on the web Irish of Greenhill could have applied to 2 things.
Greenhill which according to the web could have been the area of Swansea they lived in or there is a Greenhill in county Antrim Ireland.
--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Mary Mizzi <mmizzi(a)dodo.com.au> wrote:
From: Mary Mizzi <mmizzi(a)dodo.com.au>
Subject: [MON] Mystery Birth place Abervale
To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:01 PM
Hello,
Can some kind person help me sort out this mystery please.
I have been trying to get my g/g/grandmother, Mary Ann Fitzgerald's birth
certificate dated 1836. It seems that the first details I was given ,
"Irish
of Greenhill", 1841, which some kind person checked out and found her with
her father Timothy Fitzgerald, Tinman, b.1784 Ireland, and she was
supposedly born in 1836 in Ireland, making her 5 years old but cannot find
anyone else looking after her. Now I was also told that in the 1851 census,
she was born in Ebbw Vale or Abervale Mons. Can someone also give me the
name of the Registry of BDM's please in this area and if they are
online...or....give me some advice on who to contact next about this. In all
other censuses, 1861-1901 she is shown as born in Ireland. Does anyone have
the 1841 and 1851 Census of Mons please and check it out? Most of the info I
have received is from people on lists in Glamorgan.
Her fathers history has been found in all the censuses in Swansea but I
think he may have come over from Ireland and worked in Abervale before he
went to Swansea.....so where was May Ann born and why wasnt her Mum with
her? Did she die giving birth to Mary Ann? I have been trying to sort out
this problem for many years so I can send for her B/certificate.
Could it have been the transcribers mistake about Abervale? or is there some
bright person who is a "magician" on this list who can sort it out
please?
Many thanks,
Mary in very rainy weather in North Queensland Australia.
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I am having a break from News Items until next Thursday, my eyesight is hopeless now I can only read at nightime with use of magnitying glasses.
My wife Eileen is taking me to see our English grandchildren, and we are having four days to recharge the batteries in Shakespeare country/
Thanks once again for the many good wishes, and those who have told me of relatives and friends, of houses and streets that bring back memories.
John Patrick
Hullo Friends
Can anyone help a census page I have family living in
The Arches , Blaina Mon, I have tried all the available sources and hope that
someone may have the info as to where it or they were situated Thanks Oliver
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:19:26 -0000
"Jock-N95" <jock.n95(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
Hello Jock-N95,
> Would SKS be kind enough to find out the household address and
> occupation of Frank HODGE at Newport in the 1901 census please?
94, Wharf Road & Mason's Labourer.
Frank Hodge 34
Louisa Hodge 29
Fanny Gwenllyn Hodge 5
Frank Alexander Hodge 3
Doris Louisa Hodge 8 months
Fanny Hodge 81
Is the full list of people there, Fanny being his mother (but you
already know that, I'm sure). Apart from Frank, they all have no
occupation recorded.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Bet you thought you knew what I was about
Problem - Sex Pistols
Hi everyone,
Would SKS be kind enough to find out the household address and occupation of
Frank HODGE at Newport in the 1901 census please?
The ref is:
RG13 piece 4962 folio 31 page 8.
I've collected as much as I can from ancestry, but the address and
occupations aren't transcribed. Please don't send images as if I had sight I
could see those on Ancestry. Being totally blind I rely on transcripts, so
thanks in advance for any help, kindest regards to all,
Jon
Western Mail Monday April 28th 1924.
FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS- continued.
DEATHS.
HALL.April.24th at 285, Albany-road, Cardiff, Harry, the dearly-beloved of Ethel HALL and eldest son of Mrs HALL, Richmond-road. funeral leaving house Monday 2.p.m.
HUGHES. April.24th, at 58, Hermon-road, Caerau, Richard, son of ex-councillor John HUGHES. Funeral Monday.
JONES. April.26th,at Cadwgan-terrace, Trehafod, Elias, beloved husband of Ann JONES. Funeral Wednesday 2.15.p.m. for Trealaw Cemetery. G.O. N.F.
ROWLAND. April.27th at Maesaril, Pendoylan, Hubert, the dearly-loved son of Mr and Mrs John ROWLAND, aged 27 years.
SLOMAN. April.24th, at 21,Servern-grove, Canton, James Hilry (Jimmy), aged 34 years, dearly beloved youngest son of James (H.M. Customs), and the late Fanny SLOMAN. Funeral 3 o'clock, Tuesday for Llandaff Cathedral Churchyard, following service at St. Catherine's Church.
IN MEMORIAM.
BURROWS. ( King's Cross Hotel, Cardiff ) In Loving Memory of my dear wife, who passed away April.27th 1923.
DALLIMORE In Loving Memory of Freddie who passed away April.27th, 1923. Ever fondly remembered by Mam, Dad, Brothers and Sisters.
DAVIES In Loving Memory of Tom, who passed away April.28th 1919, also John, who died August.22nd 1916, beloved sons of Mr and Mrs Richard DAVIES, Bryn-Mynach, Ystrad Mynach.
JAMES. In Loving Memory of Benjamin JAMES, the beloved of M.A. JAMES, 13, Park-Lane, Aberdare who passed away April28th, 1923.
MARTIN. In Loving Memory of my dear husband Francis (Frank), who died April.28th 1923. Still sadly missed by his wife Emma, 49, Louise-street, Docks.
MORDECAI. In Loving Memory of William MORDECAI, late of Bryn Sadler, who died April.27th 1922. Ever remembered by Thomas and Keziah and Family.
SUTTON. In Loving Memory of Annie the beloved wife of Mr and Mrs Jno. SUTTON, Parkville, Tredegar, who passed away April.28th 1922. Ever remembered by Husband, Sons and Daughter-in-law.
John Patrick