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In a message dated 4/26/2007 10:52:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jules.18(a)bigpond.com writes:
Can anyone advise as to whether a widow who is marrying for the 2nd time
(around the 1840's)
would use her maiden name or her surname from her 1st marriage on her
marriage certificate??
Hi, Jules. My 2xGreat Grandmother, Mary nee Joshua, was widowed in 1843
with the death of her first husband, Evan Evans. She remarried James Goodwin in
1847 in MON and used her surname from her first marriage on the marriage
certificate, where she is cast as a widow.
Regards,
Cecil
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:51:39 +1000
"Jules" <jules.18(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
Hello Jules,
> Can anyone advise as to whether a widow who is marrying for the 2nd
> time (around the 1840's) would use her maiden name or her surname
> from her 1st marriage on her marriage certificate?? Thanks for any
> help given Jules
She should have been married using her name from the previous
marriage. Obviously, with her father's surname being different, it is
then obvious she was previously married. Even then, under 'Condition',
it should say "widow".
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
The public wants what the public gets
Going Underground - The Jam
I came across a curious evidence of the popularity of the Chartist 'heroes'
when transcribing for FreeBMD. From1840, through to about 1844, a remarkable
number of families in many parts of England and Wales named their children
either after John FROST or Fergus (Feargus) O'Connor, or both.
Simply search the relevant years in FreeBMD, without surnames, for
forenames * Frost or * O'Connor. The latter won't find all the relevant
entries as spelling varied. * O'Conn* finds more. Fergus O'Connor actually
seems to have been more popular, and his popularity more enduring, than John
Frost.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Jeff
Hello Angie,
I have no knowledge of why he may have gone there but the years that you
mention would have been the latter part of WW1, and when you mention that he
returned home because of family illness, the war had ended by 11th November 1918
and that possibily was the reason for his return home.And if the story is
true he would have been there less than a year.
I understand that Clipstone was a training camp.
Regards Barbara
There is a family legend that my gr father who worked in the coal mine in
Abertillery was sent to join the territorial army at Clipstone camp in
Nottinghamshire about 1917/18, he was then sent home at the latter end of 1918
because his wife and children were very ill with the world wide flu bug which was
prevalent at that time
My question is, 'why would he be taken out of the coal mine and sent to
join the territorials'
Can anyone please put my mind at rest and save me from more heated
arguments within my family, because I think this is not true, but some of them
swear it is.
Has anyone come across this before, or anything similar? If not then
please help me to find the truth in this
cheers
Angie
PS I can't find anything in the Archives online (but then I never can!)
Dear Listers
On Monday 30th April, Newport Museum and Art Gallery is hosting a partnership event looking at the Chartist march on Newport in 1839, when 20 marchers were killed by troops outside the Westgate Hotel.
See also the link at http://www3.newport.ac.uk/news/displayStory.aspx?story_id=131
This is a free drop-in event.
For more info please contact the number in the programme below, or email me directly.
Peter Brown
University of Wales, Newport
‘Meet the descendants – Chartist family history’
At Newport Museum, Art Gallery and Library
John Frost Square, Newport
‘Drop in’ and Join in
An afternoon of Chartist and Family History activities
Monday April 30th 12 noon – 4 pm
Programme:
12 noon Meet the Family Historian (Peter Brown) and find out how to get started on your family history using the internet.
12.30 Meet the Archivist (Colin Gibson) and discover the sources in the Gwent Record Office for finding Chartist ancestors. What have some people found out?
01.15 Meet the Descendants who have discovered their ‘Chartist’ lineage – those participating in the attack on the Westgate Hotel in 1839 and other Chartist campaigning, but also their political opponents and those supporting the military, police and judicial authorities. (Leslie James)
02.30 Explore the Records with Alun Prescott and the staff of Newport City Libraries on a tour of the Local History Collection used by family historians and get a taste of some of the Chartist documents.
03.30 Meet the Museum Curator (Rachel Anderton) who will explain plans for a new Chartist exhibition that will reveal the stories of the lesser known individuals as well as the more famous leaders.
Do you have a story to tell about your Chartist ancestors or about family members who were anti-Chartist?
CONTACT: 01633 656656 and ask for Rachael Anderton
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Whether or not access to research facilities falls within the
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More pertinent to the current debate is who decides what gets discussed
on this list. The LIst Administrator is not appointed by the membership
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Robert
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I hope I do not regret posting this .. Do the RO charge for photocopies?
I have been to RO'S in the North of England and for each photo copy they
charge 40-50p
If given the opportunity (ok if I had thought of it) of using a digital
camera I would gladly have paid
£2 to take as many pis's as I wished.
At the end of the day I guess the RO need to have some income.
perhaps we could play spies and get a rellie (preferably a live one) to keep
a look out while we snap away. ;-)
Nos da, Kevin, Co Cork, Ireland.
>From: "William Kollar" <wkollar(a)nycap.rr.com>
>Reply-To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
>To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
>Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire
>FamilyHistoryresearchers
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:35:33 -0400
>
>Living on the other side of the pond I really don't want or need to jump in
>on this but for some reason I can't seem keep my self from doing so.
>
>As I see it the big difference between using a camera and using a photocopy
>machine is; the Records Office provides the machine and all of the supplies
>necessary to produce a copy, where as the individual owns the camera and is
>solely responsible for it and it's needs, mainly batteries and of course
>film if it is an old one. I would think that the fee paid to the Records
>Office is mainly for the use of their copy machine and associated supplies
>and not for the records themselves and that that fee is absolutely
>justified. But on the other hand to be paid for someone using their own
>equipment just doesn't seem to be proper at all.
>
>One doesn't pay the bus company their fee because you drove the same route
>in your own automobile!
>
>Just my 2 Cents.
>
>________________________________
>
>Ever Wonder ?
>
>__bill kollar
>
>Upstate New York, USA
>
>
>Chasing:
>
>RIACH, PATERSON, ANDERSON, DAVIDSON
> Ballater, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
>
>DOWDEN, PHILLIPS, ROGERS
> Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
>
>KOLLAR, SEFCOVIC, HESEK, PALCOVIC
> Kuty, Slovakia
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Graham Sheppard" <graham(a)grahamsheppard.org.uk>
>To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family
>Historyresearchers
>
>
>| Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the
>| same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I
>| believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital
>| photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It
>| would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page!
>| Regards
>| Graham
>|
>| -----Original Message-----
>| From: monmouthshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
>| [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith
>| Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37
>| To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
>| Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History
>| researchers
>|
>
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Hi, Not wishing to prolong this subject, but different RO's have differing
policies on this subject.
I live in Devon and was in the RO at Exeter, they don't charge for taking
digital cameras into the RO, you can also take a laptop in to use.
I found the RO at Exeter very friendly, which I assume this is the same from
the staff in RO's in Mon.
Regards
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Sheppard" <graham(a)grahamsheppard.org.uk>
To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family
Historyresearchers
> Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the
> same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I
> believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital
> photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It
> would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page!
> Regards
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: monmouthshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith
> Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37
> To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History
> researchers
>
> The following was posted by mike John on the monfh discussion group, and
> I think it bears repeating here. If you think that charges at the Gwent
> RO for using your own resources (digital camera) are unfair, please sign
> the petition.
>
> Mike says:
> I have just started a petition to get Gwent records office to abolish
> this ridiculous new charge they have introduced, on the use of personal
> cameras.
> <http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html>http://www.petition
> online.com/brychan/petition.html
> I have also contacted
> all the M.P's & A.M's for Gwent who have assured me they would look in
> to the matter and have also asked for a copy of the minutes of the
> meeting where the decision was made.
>
> I have also found out that 1 if not 2 representatives of the Gwent
> family history society was at this meeting, one being Mr Geoff Riggs, so
> as family historians and past, present and potential members of the
> society we would like to know what their postion was about this charge.
>
> Using your camera at a public records office is the same as writing the
> information down on a notepad, new technology is to be welcomed
> especially when it makes life a lot more easier, for myself I have been
> able to photograph the parish records, take them home and then share the
> work of transcribing them with other family researchers. All these
> transcriptions can be found free on my website
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.h
> tm>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history
> .htm
> So
> why charge someone for using their camera, you would not charge them for
> using a pencil, also will they bring in a charge for using laptops.
>
> If you live in Gwent or even outside contact local M.Ps & A.M's and
> express your concern about this unfair charge. Contact Jessica Morden
> M.P <mailto:mordenj%40parliament.uk>mordenj(a)parliament.uk or Anthony
> Jermyn <mailto:JERMYNA%40parliament.uk>JERMYNA(a)parliament.uk her case
> worker who are looking in to the matter on my behalf.
>
> Mike John
>
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Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the
same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I
believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital
photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It
would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page!
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: monmouthshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith
Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37
To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History
researchers
The following was posted by mike John on the monfh discussion group, and
I think it bears repeating here. If you think that charges at the Gwent
RO for using your own resources (digital camera) are unfair, please sign
the petition.
Mike says:
I have just started a petition to get Gwent records office to abolish
this ridiculous new charge they have introduced, on the use of personal
cameras.
<http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html>http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html
I have also contacted
all the M.P's & A.M's for Gwent who have assured me they would look in
to the matter and have also asked for a copy of the minutes of the
meeting where the decision was made.
I have also found out that 1 if not 2 representatives of the Gwent
family history society was at this meeting, one being Mr Geoff Riggs, so
as family historians and past, present and potential members of the
society we would like to know what their postion was about this charge.
Using your camera at a public records office is the same as writing the
information down on a notepad, new technology is to be welcomed
especially when it makes life a lot more easier, for myself I have been
able to photograph the parish records, take them home and then share the
work of transcribing them with other family researchers. All these
transcriptions can be found free on my website
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.h
tm>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history
.htm
So
why charge someone for using their camera, you would not charge them for
using a pencil, also will they bring in a charge for using laptops.
If you live in Gwent or even outside contact local M.Ps & A.M's and
express your concern about this unfair charge. Contact Jessica Morden
M.P <mailto:mordenj%40parliament.uk>mordenj(a)parliament.uk or Anthony
Jermyn <mailto:JERMYNA%40parliament.uk>JERMYNA(a)parliament.uk her case
worker who are looking in to the matter on my behalf.
Mike John
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Greetings all, new to list but not to family history, researching my
Oakeley, and Berry and my wife's Jones and Parfitt family's. Look forward
to getting to know you all.
--
Chris Lawton
Pax †
Living on the other side of the pond I really don't want or need to jump in
on this but for some reason I can't seem keep my self from doing so.
As I see it the big difference between using a camera and using a photocopy
machine is; the Records Office provides the machine and all of the supplies
necessary to produce a copy, where as the individual owns the camera and is
solely responsible for it and it's needs, mainly batteries and of course
film if it is an old one. I would think that the fee paid to the Records
Office is mainly for the use of their copy machine and associated supplies
and not for the records themselves and that that fee is absolutely
justified. But on the other hand to be paid for someone using their own
equipment just doesn't seem to be proper at all.
One doesn't pay the bus company their fee because you drove the same route
in your own automobile!
Just my 2 Cents.
________________________________
Ever Wonder ?
__bill kollar
Upstate New York, USA
Chasing:
RIACH, PATERSON, ANDERSON, DAVIDSON
Ballater, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
DOWDEN, PHILLIPS, ROGERS
Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
KOLLAR, SEFCOVIC, HESEK, PALCOVIC
Kuty, Slovakia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Sheppard" <graham(a)grahamsheppard.org.uk>
To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family
Historyresearchers
| Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the
| same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I
| believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital
| photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It
| would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page!
| Regards
| Graham
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: monmouthshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
| [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith
| Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37
| To: monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
| Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History
| researchers
|
The following was posted by mike John on the monfh discussion group,
and I think it bears repeating here. If you think that charges at the
Gwent RO for using your own resources (digital camera) are unfair,
please sign the petition.
Mike says:
I have just started a petition to get Gwent records office to abolish this
ridiculous new charge they have introduced, on the use of personal cameras.
<http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html>http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html
I have also contacted
all the M.P's & A.M's for Gwent who have assured me they would look in to
the matter and have also asked for a copy of the minutes of the meeting
where the decision was made.
I have also found out that 1 if not 2 representatives of the Gwent family
history society was at this meeting, one being Mr Geoff Riggs, so as family
historians and past, present and potential members of the society we would
like to know what their postion was about this charge.
Using your camera at a public records office is the same as writing the
information down on a notepad, new technology is to be welcomed especially
when it makes life a lot more easier, for myself I have been able to
photograph the parish records, take them home and then share the work of
transcribing them with other family researchers. All these transcriptions
can be found free on my website
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.htm>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.htm
So
why charge someone for using their camera, you would not charge them for
using a pencil, also will they bring in a charge for using laptops.
If you live in Gwent or even outside contact local M.Ps & A.M's and express
your concern about this unfair charge. Contact Jessica Morden M.P
<mailto:mordenj%40parliament.uk>mordenj(a)parliament.uk or Anthony
Jermyn <mailto:JERMYNA%40parliament.uk>JERMYNA(a)parliament.uk her case
worker who are looking in to the matter on my behalf.
Mike John
Hi Jeff,
thankyou for that information, I did wonder if it was something like
that but I haven't come across it before
I appreciate your help
Thankyou again
Marianne
As the unfortunate who asked the question, I would just like to thank
everyone for their contributions/ suggestions. I never to think to look at
the archives, which were very informative and gave some useful links.
Whilst my grandfather was born in Blaenavon (1894), his father was born in
Kilgeddin (1866) and his father was born in Skenfrith (1822), I suspect his
father was born in Herefordshire (although he farmed a now derelict farm
overlooking the village), so was English.
My grandson, on the other hand, was born in Cardiff, even though my father
and I were born in Huddersfield (very much in England!) and my daughter in
Hull (even more so).
Thanks again to all,
Graham Phillips
Hi Ann, Would you like a choice of weapons? ;-) Kevin, Co Cork
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In preparation for a trip to England and Wales, I've been trying to figure out
the GRO and the Family Records Office from their web sites.
Perhaps someone can provide some answers to questions that I still have.
1. it seems that any request for records will take 4 days to receive. Do they
have any records that can been seen without such a waiting period (ie on the
spot)?
2. both offices seem to have the same records for BDM. What differences are
there between the offices?
3. How much do the offices charge for copies of records? The cost for online
requests were clear (7GBP per record) but I couldn't tell if in-person lookups
were the same.
To be helpful to new and old researchers, a reminder that for whatever
misguided reason, the LDS Family History Library decided to place
Monmouthshire under "England" in its on-line catalog and other
<familysearch.org> sites. Monmouthshire is not found in the "Wales"
listings, so searching for ancestors under "Wales" on the FHL sites
won't turn them up. Sally
Dear Colleagues,
In 1950, when I was a student traveling to Wales to find information
on my forebears, I stopped for a productive afternoon at the
Monmouthshire Record Office, which I recall at that time was in
Newport. Someone can enlighten me on that. When departing, I
chatted congenially with the director of the office, who said
emphatically that Monmouthshire was an English county. Back then it
was always "Wales and Monmouthshire" implying some distinction. The
"Wales and Monmouthshire" term left Monmouthshire somewhere alone,
not really a part of Wales, but also not part of anything else,
somewhat dangling as a probable part of England, since England was
the closest country next door. There was absolutely no doubt about it
in his mind that Monmouthshire was English. But he was clearly an
Englishman, so I suspected he had biases, and I kept my mind open
for other opinions. I have since been overwhelmed with the scholarly
opinion that Monmouthshire is indeed a Welsh county, geographically,
genetically, and historically. And of course now it is part of Wales.
But I am nevertheless simply delighted when I look for records of
Monmouthshire and find them in English databases and atlases where
the rest of Wales is explicitly, perhaps emphatically excluded. This
is not uncommon. Therefore when I find an English database, I always
search it for Monmouthshire records. So if Englishmen are motivated
to include Monmouthshire in their research and publication interests,
let's let them believe it is an English county.
Thomas Roderick (Rhydderch)
Bar Harbor, Maine USA