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Hello Jenny
Districts 4 5 and 6 have been omitted from Ancestry as you say.
The enumeration of the districts does exist and i have a copy.
If you post details of the families i will try to locate them for you
in Penmain Mynyddislwyn.
Keith
Hello Everybody,
I am looking for information on the REES family from NEWPORT.
THOMAS REES b.about 1811, and his wife b. about 1814. I know THOMAS was still alive in 1851, We are not sure if he died between 1851 & 1871. If there is any other person on the list who is also researching any REES families from this area would they kindly get in touch. Thank you.
Regards,
Judy.
Looking for information on the below Lewis WILLIAMS family, mostly coal
miners, who were in Monmouthshire during the 1851/61 censuses, and moved to
Aberdare before the 1871 census. They were living in Aberdare for all available
census data from 1871 through 1901.
I'm also including a 1955 obit on James Lewis WILLIAMS (Lewis'
grandson). Can anyone help me sort through the family names and who belongs to whom?
I descend from Thomas WILLIAMS who emigrated to the US in 1881, but
otherwise have very little info on the rest of the family.
Is anyone researching this line? Would love to exchange information!
Sharon
1 Lewis Williams b: Abt. 1824 in Llandeilo, Carmarthen, Wales d: Bet.
1881 - 1891 in Glamorgan, Wales
.. +Ann b: Abt. 1829 in Nantyglo, Monmouth, Wales m: Abt. 1846 in Wales d:
Bet. 1873 - 1881 in Glamorgan, Wales
..... 2 Ann Williams b: Abt. 1847 in Bedwellty, Monmouth, Wales
..... 2 George Williams b: Abt. 1848 in Bedwellty, Monmouth, Wales
......... +Elizabeth m: Bet. 1891 - 1901
..... 2 William Williams b: 1851 in Rhymney, Monmouth, Wales
..... 2 Thomas Arthur Williams b: 23 Oct 1858 in Rhymney, Monmouth, Wales
d: 28 Aug 1935 in 10 N.Broad St, West Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA
......... +Mary Ellen Daniels b: 22 Jul 1858 in Susquehanna Co, PA m: 15
Oct 1890 d: 25 May 1940 in 10 N Broad St, West Hazleton, Luzerne Co, PA
..... 2 John Williams b: Abt. 1859 in Rhymney, Monmouth, Wales
......... +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1860 in St. David's, Pembroke, Wales
............ 3 James Lewis Williams b: Abt. 1883 in Aberdare, Glamorgan,
Wales d: 13 Oct 1955 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
................ +Mary Jane d: Abt. 1952 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
............ 3 Gwilym Williams b: Abt. 1885 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
d: Aft. 1955
............ 3 Mary Ann Williams b: Abt. 1888 in Aberdare, Glamorgan,
Wales d: Aft. 1955
............ 3 Elizabeth Williams b: Abt. 1891 in Aberdare, Glamorgan,
Wales d: Aft. 1955
............ 3 Sarah Williams b: Abt. 1893 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
d: Aft. 1955
............ 3 John H. Williams b: Abt. 1896 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
d: Aft. 1955
..... 2 Mary Williams b: Abt. 1861 in Rhymney, Monmouth, Wales
......... +Thomas Jones b: Abt. 1860 in Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales m:
Abt. 1880
............ 3 Ann Jones b: Abt. 1882 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
............ 3 Sarah Jones b: Abt. 1884 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
............ 3 Lewis William Jones b: 1891 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
..... 2 Elizabeth Williams b: Abt. 1863 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
..... 2 David Williams b: Abt. 1870 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
..... 2 Paul Williams b: Abt. 1873 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
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Obit "Mr. J. L. Williams, Aberdare"
Burial of 73-year-old Mr. James Lewis Williams, Wind Street, Aberdare, who
(as reported last week), died a day after having been taken ill at Baptist
quarterly meetings in Hirwaun, took place to Aberdare Cemetery on Monday week.
The Revs. T. E. Thomas (Ynyslwyd), and T. L. Parry (Carmel), officiated at
the house, and the Revs. T. E. Thomas, Meredith Morgan (Heolyfelin) and G.
Rogers (Gadlys), at the graveside.
Mourners: Idwal, son; Jack and Gwyn, brothers; D. J. Pugh, A. Vowles,
William Davies, Morgan Jenkins, Tom Samuel, brothers-in-law; Islwyn, Vernon, Ken,
David, Leonard, Emlyn, Cledwyn, Evan, Glan, Abel, nephews; Lewis William
Jones, David J. Davies, cousins; Messrs. Aneurin Davies, William Davies, Tom
Parry, Jack Walters, Dan Lewis, Henry Farr, Abraham Jones, John Owen Morris, Rees
Price, Gwyn Evans, Reggie Hughes, David L. Thomas, Jack Evans, friends.
At the house: Phyllis, daughter-in-law; Mary Ann, Lizzie, Sarah, sisters;
Mary (Port Talbot), Mary (Monk Street), Greta, Annie, Hannah, Fanny, Lizzie,
Lizzie (Abernant), sisters-in-law; Mrs. M. A. Evans, aunt; Mrs. Mary Davies
(Llwydcoed), cousin; Mattie, Beth, Megan, Marjorie, Lyn, nieces; Miss Sarah
Jones, Mrs. Aneurin Davies, Mrs. J. O. Morris, Mrs. Jack Evans, Mrs. E. Farr,
Mrs Dan Lewis (Coventry), Mrs. Lilian Morgan (Llanfallteg).
Funeral arrangements were by the Aberdare and District Co-operative Society.
Hello Everybody,
If there is anybody with the 1861 & 1871 census for PEMBROKE would they kindly keep a look out for JOHN HALL, he was born about 1856 at PEMBROKE.
I am trying to find the name of his father, I believe his mother`s name was CAROLINE.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,
Syd.
Hello from Australia. William Richard TURPITT (a seaman) married Caroline DINHAM at St. Mary, Cardiff on 18 May 1858. There was 1 child, Edwin, born and died 1860
William later married Ann or Nancy Stewart Ross and died in 1888. I have those census details.
Is anyone researching either TURPITT or DINHAM ? Thank you
Cheers, Bob in Melbourne
I was born in Newport and bred in Usk.
I have always suspected that if you came from west of the river Usk you
knew you were Welsh whereas east of the Usk you suspected you could be
English.
And, such joking aside. Whatever the legal inns and outs (and I
certainly claim to be Welsh first) the river Usk does mark a significant
cultural divide. Eastwards through Raglan and on to Monmouth, or along
the coast to Chepstow, the feeling is of England. Westwards one is
entering the mining and industrial valleys (e.g. Pontypool) where the
Chapel culture and Welsh socialism were the norm. A Master's thesis
topic for a social geographer?
Brian Davies
--
Emeritus Professor B E Davies PhD, C. Chem, FRSC
107 Teeside Drive
Anderson SC 29625-6937 USA
tel: (864) 646-7876
Hello T H Roderick,
Monmouthshire where I myself was born and still remain can tell you without
a doubt that we have never been in England.
Whoever this gentleman was that told you back in 1950 that it was in England
was very wrong, and the Mormons who did the LDS site was only transcribing
an error that another did on the records beforehand.
Regards Barbara
Michael
You referenced the BBC website and then ignored what it said:
**Monmouthshire was created in 1536 from the marcher lordships of
Newport, Abergavenny, Monmouth, Chepstow, Caerleon and Usk
**Its status as a Welsh county fell into doubt in 1543 when it was
omitted from the second Act of Union which established the Court of
Great Session legal system in Wales
**As a result, until 1900 certain Welsh laws were deemed not to apply to
Monmouthshire, such as the closure of public houses on Sundays
**Its status as part of Wales was re-confirmed in 1974 when the
administrative county was replaced by Gwent
**A smaller rural county council called Monmouthshire was created in the
local government reorganisation of 1996
So, the Mormons didn't get it wrong, the old county of Monmouthshire was
classed as England until 1974. I have a copy of Pigot's maps of the
counties of England 1841 and it has Monmouthshire in it. Other maps you
can buy of the 1800s and early 1900s were entitled 'Wales and
Monmouthshire'.
Yes, old Monmouthshire did formally become a welsh county again in 1974
when it was renamed Gwent. However, in 1996 Gwent was split into 5
unitary counties, all of which are still in Wales, and one of them was
called Monmouthshire. This new county of Monmouthshire is only about
half the size of the old Monmouthshire. The new counties which were the
other parts of old Monmouthshire are Newport, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent,
and Caerphilly. (check a modern road atlas such as the AA version)
Regards
Graham (living in Newport city, old county of Monmouthshire, old county
of Gwent, new county of Newport)
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Muckian [mailto:mlmuckian@gmail.com]
Sent: 20 August 2006 00:53
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Mon] The old Monmouthshire confusion
Maybe it would help to look at the official website for Monmouthshire
County
Council:
http://www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/Monmouth/Welsh/home.htm
and here is a simple current map of the counties of Wales as they are
today:
http://www.walesdirectory.co.uk/counties.htm
It isn't the only thing the Mormons get wrong!
There is a long and complex story of how the confusion arose, and it
isn't worth going into nowadays because the simple fact on the ground is
that the people of Monmouthshire elect members of the Welsh Assembly,
which they certainly wouldn't be allowed to do if they were part of
England!
Here is a BBC page on the matter:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/history/pages/counties_monmou
th.shtml
Yes, you may still met people who like to pretend that MUNMUTHSHUH, as
they put it, is part of England, but they are generally elderly with a
nostalgia for days of Empire, and the passage of time will sort them
out. We had a case in my family of identical twin girls born in Newport
nearly ninety years ago, one of whom claimed to be English and the other
Welsh...
Michael
Living in Cardiff, Capital City of Wales, with Welsh-speaking ancestors
from Monmouthshire, Pembrokeshire, Cardiganshire and Denbighshire.
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Maybe it would help to look at the official website for Monmouthshire County
Council:
http://www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/Monmouth/Welsh/home.htm
and here is a simple current map of the counties of Wales as they are today:
http://www.walesdirectory.co.uk/counties.htm
It isn't the only thing the Mormons get wrong!
There is a long and complex story of how the confusion arose, and it isn't
worth going into nowadays because the simple fact on the ground is that the
people of Monmouthshire elect members of the Welsh Assembly, which they
certainly wouldn't be allowed to do if they were part of England!
Here is a BBC page on the matter:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/history/pages/counties_monmout...
Yes, you may still met people who like to pretend that MUNMUTHSHUH, as they
put it, is part of England, but they are generally elderly with a nostalgia
for days of Empire, and the passage of time will sort them out. We had a
case in my family of identical twin girls born in Newport nearly ninety
years ago, one of whom claimed to be English and the other Welsh...
Michael
Living in Cardiff, Capital City of Wales, with Welsh-speaking ancestors from
Monmouthshire, Pembrokeshire, Cardiganshire and Denbighshire.
>
>
> I've also seen various records that say Monmouthshire is in
> England. Shouldn't it be listed as Wales? Or is there one in England.
I visited the Monmouthshire Record Office in the summer of 1950. I
think it was in Newport. The director was a nice and helpful man.
But in questioning him on whether Monmouthshire was in Wales or
England, he adamantly said England. There was no question in his
mind. I thought it not worth continuing discussion on that point.
The Mormon's classification doesn't dissuade me either.
T. H. Roderick
Bar Harbor, Maine.
Dear Listers,
This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my
website, feature:
1. A row of derelict quarryworkers' cottages at Penwyllt in the Brecon
Beacons National Park, county of Breconshire (eight pictures).
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in October 1998.
2. The picturesque street named The Struet in the town of Brecon, county of
Breconshire (twenty pictures).
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in July 2001.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
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John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
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Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/
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Hello Diane,
It's the Welsh Patronymic naming system, Verch/Ferch daughter of, Ap son of.
And Monmouthshire is a County that was always in Wales and remains so today,
and there is not another named place in England, it was an error by person/s
in the past and they placed it as England and because of this it was listed
on records incorrectly.
Regards Barbara
I'm new to the list and want to verify that ap is "son of" and fertch or vertch is "daughter of". I've also seen various records that say Monmouthshire is in England. Shouldn't it be listed as Wales? Or is there one in England.
I just discovered I have a Herbert connection in Wales. Does anyone on the list have Herberts?
Thanks,
Diane
Realize that the censuses for 1861 for a number of areas of
Monmouthshire (and elsewhere in Wales) are missing, or a part of them
are. Included are some places in the Monmouth (Dingestow), Pontypool
(Pontypool), Newport (Caerleon), Newport (Newport), Newport (St. Woolos)
and Newport (Mynyddslwyn) districts/subdistricts. Most of the missing
appear to be in the Greater Newport area and include pieces variously in
the span from Nos. 3984 to 4027, with most between 4010-4015 and 4022- 4027.
Some pieces have only one part missing, but some have three or four.
Which is why I can't find my ancestors in Risca, Machen and Pontypool in
the 1861, but can in the 1851 and 1871 -- they didn't just briefly
disappear, but the censuses did, permanently!
Sally
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael McAllister" <mcallisterfamily(a)btopenworld.com>
> This looks like a similar way to how the Birmingham List runs now, still
> will have t wait and see though ! Regards Mick McAllister
The Birmingham list being one of thsoe chosen for the beta testing so if it
is working on there we will be ok.
For anyone who uses the British-genealogy mailing lists they will recognise
the program because it is the same - Mailman.
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Muckian" <mlmuckian(a)gmail.com>
> I suspect it's a Wenglish word, because it is usually written 'shibwns' in
> Welsh and the 'sh' sound is normally written as 'si' in Welsh so 'shi'
looks
> odd.
>
My dad always said it was of french origin - don't ask me why - but he wrote
it thus "gibbons" which is kind of strange because that was his surname. I
didn't ask and now, of course, it is too late.
Ann
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:30:33 -0700 (PDT)
Rachel Boyd <rachel-boyd(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hello Rachel,
> Can anyone forward it to list again, please? Or to me personally if
> they'd rather. Rachel, CT USA
Why? Ann's already posted it to the list, so you've already got a
copy. If, by some mistake, you've deleted it, it's on the list archive
at RootsWeb.
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/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
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I suspect it's a Wenglish word, because it is usually written 'shibwns' in
Welsh and the 'sh' sound is normally written as 'si' in Welsh so 'shi' looks
odd.
My grandmother, who grew up in Griffithstown, Pontypool, always referred to
spring onions as jibbons, though from memory they were larger than the puny
things sold in supermarkets today - possibly left in the ground longer back
then!
Michael
Monmouthshire roots: Gim(b)let(t) in Bassaleg, James (from Fishguard) in
Griffithstown, Evans (from Denbighshire) in Goetre, Penton and Stacey (from
Hampshire) in Newport.
On 13/08/06, sylvia morgan <sylviamorgan213(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Can any Welsh-speaker tell me if the word "jibbons" (spring onions)
> comes
> from a Welsh word?
> Sylvia
>
>