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The Register for Wycliffe, 1882 - 1926 is now online at :
http://www.genebooks.com/wycliffe/
Obviously, this is directly related to the the Gloucester list, but as many
of the attendees of said establishement are listed as resident in both MON
and GLA at the time of this edition of the register, it may be of use to
people researching in those lists as well.
Cheers
The OGRE
http://www.cefnpennar.comhttp://www.genebooks.com
Hello :-)
I was just wondering if anyone had Monmouth parish records at all? I
believe my ancestors were THOMAS SMITH and LOUISA WILLIAMS who married in
MONMOUTH Sept Quarter of 1844. If anyone possibly has access to church
records for this town I would really appreciate a look up. Thank you so
much,
Tamara.
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On 7/23/06, Ruth Ann Baker <ratbaker(a)juno.com> wrote:
> The replies received about details on death certificate for
> Thomas John Meredith have been helpful. The links that were suggested
> gave new places to double check information and look for new details.
> Thanks go Jane Dyer, John Ball, John Ruck, Keith, and Joss O'Kelly.
>
> Question 1--the "injuries received from being crushed by a truck"
> does refer to the wagon or railway car used to move coal and iron from
> the mines or factories (iron works). Had thought so as my husband builds
> model railroads. We have ordered a number of sets of trucks (wheels) to
> use as he builds railcars. Knowing the different terms used in
> England/Wales and the United States is helpful.
>
a truck USA is a bogie in UK
a coal wagon could be called a truck
typically a woocden box on 4 wheels
> Question 2--on where to look for an account of inquest--some
> leads are still open on this, including an offer by an individual to
> check at Newport when looking for an inquest of his own. Do appreciate
> the willingness of those close to record sources to search for those of
> us who live so far away.
>
> Question 3--Aberystruth and Abersywith. It is helpful to know
> that Aberystruth is the parish only and not name of a town or such.
> Still am wondering about the ABERSYWITH that I found in Monmouthshire.
> This was in book Genealogical Atlas of England and Wales that was printed
> in 1960. The preface stated: "These maps were originally published in
> London more than one hundred years ago..." So I gathered they were from
> 1860 or earlier, which is closer to 1879 than many maps I can access
> online.
but english versions of welsh names are often inconsistenbt or wrong
>The map shows ABERSYWITH south and west of Abergavenny and
> between five and ten miles away it appears. It was just below Nant y Glo
> Iron Works and Ebbw Vale Iron Works on the map and located right on a
> railway.
>
> Question 4--I am still looking into the suggestions and links
> about mining and such to see if I can learn more about Blaina and where
> he may have been working.
>
> Thanks for being willing to reply and help others in their
> research.
> Ruth Ann Baker
> United States
>
good hunting
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The replies received about details on death certificate for
Thomas John Meredith have been helpful. The links that were suggested
gave new places to double check information and look for new details.
Thanks go Jane Dyer, John Ball, John Ruck, Keith, and Joss O'Kelly.
Question 1--the "injuries received from being crushed by a truck"
does refer to the wagon or railway car used to move coal and iron from
the mines or factories (iron works). Had thought so as my husband builds
model railroads. We have ordered a number of sets of trucks (wheels) to
use as he builds railcars. Knowing the different terms used in
England/Wales and the United States is helpful.
Question 2--on where to look for an account of inquest--some
leads are still open on this, including an offer by an individual to
check at Newport when looking for an inquest of his own. Do appreciate
the willingness of those close to record sources to search for those of
us who live so far away.
Question 3--Aberystruth and Abersywith. It is helpful to know
that Aberystruth is the parish only and not name of a town or such.
Still am wondering about the ABERSYWITH that I found in Monmouthshire.
This was in book Genealogical Atlas of England and Wales that was printed
in 1960. The preface stated: "These maps were originally published in
London more than one hundred years ago..." So I gathered they were from
1860 or earlier, which is closer to 1879 than many maps I can access
online. The map shows ABERSYWITH south and west of Abergavenny and
between five and ten miles away it appears. It was just below Nant y Glo
Iron Works and Ebbw Vale Iron Works on the map and located right on a
railway.
Question 4--I am still looking into the suggestions and links
about mining and such to see if I can learn more about Blaina and where
he may have been working.
Thanks for being willing to reply and help others in their
research.
Ruth Ann Baker
United States
Thanks to those who answered, that informants on death
certificates did not have to be male--but often were. These could be a
son or the coroner.
Appreciate replies from Janet English, Stephen Kelsey, Barbara,
John Ball, Polly Rubery, Jan Trory, and Cecil that helped me to better
understand this.
Ruth Ann Baker
United States
Hi Ruth Ann
I'm in Newport just now on a FH hunting trip and planning (DV - have a sick auntie here as well and might get overtaken by real life) to go to Gwent Record Office to check out an inquest of my own so will have a look for yours too. Fingers crossed!
Joss
Carolyn Rupprath <bonfires(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Please, how is Ebbw Vale pronounced?
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Dear Carolyn,
Ebbw Vale is pronounced "EBB-OO VAYLE".
In 'Ebbw', the emphasis is on the first syllable.
The Welsh name for Ebbw Vale is 'Glynebwy'.
Kind regards,
John
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Hi,
Sirhowy is a place on the outskirts of Tredegar, not sure if that is your
question because Keith did not mention in his email where he found your family
and you did not mention what question related to Sirhowy.
Regards Barbara
In a message dated 7/21/2006 11:00:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ruth Ann
writes:
From: Ruth Ann Baker [mailto:ratbaker@juno.com]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:27 AM
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Mon] Informants on Death Certificates
Was there a requirement that a male be the informant on death certificates?
In recent ones received for deaths from 1867 to 1910, all informants were
males, even if the individual had a surviving widow in the home.
Ruth Ann
United States
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I don't think so. The Informant on my 3xGreat Grandmother's death
certificate dtd in 1878 was a woman named Charlotte Martin, who was present at the
death and is thought to be a married daughter.
Regards,
Cecil
Vienna, VA USA
Hello,
Would anyone have time to lookup the following family in 1901?
John SHEPHERD b. 1858 married Harriet WHITE b.1861
and their son Thomas Harold SHEPHERD b.1882
I have them on the 1891 at Dormington, Worcestershire, but think they would
have been in Monmouthshire by 1901.
Many thanks,
Catherine.
South Wales
John Ruck <john.ruck(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
Re Q.3 and further to John Ball's reply:
See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Aberystruth/index.html
ABERYSTRUTH, (Aberystwith)..............................
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Dear Listers,
John Ruck raises an interesting point.
The quote above, on the GENUKI website, is from a transcription of 'The
National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland' published in 1868. If the
transcript is accurate, then there is an error in the original source.
'Aberystwith' is NOT a legitimate alternative spelling of Aberystruth.
A more acceptable alternative spelling of Aberystruth would be Aberystrith,
based on the way in which the final syllable is pronounced (a Welsh 'u' is
pronounced like an English 'i').
It is important not to confuse Aberystwyth in Cardiganshire (sometimes
misspelt Aberystwith) with Aberystruth in Monmouthshire.
Kind regards,
John
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E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
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Dear Listers,
This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my
website, feature:
1. A variety of buildings in various parts of Wales (seven pictures).
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in April 1998.
2. A visit to Weobley Castle on the Gower Peninsula in the county of
Glamorgan (six pictures).
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in March 1998.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
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John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/
Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/
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Have some questions on a death certificate received for Thomas John
MEREDITH, died 4 January 1879 from injuries received by being crushed by
a truck. He died at Blaina, parish of Aberystruth, Monmouthshire and was
50 years old.
1. Do I recall history wrong; this seems a little early for a
truck vehicle, or does it refer to the "truck" part of a railroad car?
2. Informant was coroner W. H. Brewer and an inquest was held on
11 January 1879. Where would be the best place to look for an account
about this inquest? (It is not in the Cambrian Index.)
On the 1871 census he was at Llangattock, Breconshire and
occupation was listed as forge man. He was also at Llangattock for 1861
census and was shown as a labourer. His widow on 1881 census is shown at
Aberystruth, Monmouthshire.
3. On one map I can find Aberyswith. Have not been succesful in
finding Aberystruth. Is this a spelling variation of Aberystruth?
4. Would he likely be working at the Blaina Iron Works? Is
there any way to check this possibility?
Ruth Ann
United States
Was there a requirement that a male be the informant on death
certificates? In recent ones received for deaths from 1867 to 1910, all
informants were males, even if the individual had a surviving widow in
the home.
Ruth Ann
United States
My late mother-in-law was born at 21,Merthyr Road,Abergavenny in 1924 and i was wondering if anyone could find out if this was either a maternity home,hospital,or a home for unmarried mothers.?Her Mothers name was either Dorothy Daisy or Daisy Lewis.Regards.Penny.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Sandy Passman <sandypassman(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Sandy,
> children on FreeBMD, I do not find any listings for Aberystruth -
> but there are Abergavenny, Newport, Cardiff, Pontypool entries. Would
> they have registered the birth in Abergavenny? Sarah Thomas married
Aberystruth is in the Abergavenny RD so, in short, yes.
> know which of the Yem's were the children of Ann to know if they were
> cousins. Do you have any ideas how I might do that since the censuses
> don't go back before 1841? Possibly to see if Ann Yemm is listed as a
Actually, they do, but are virtually useless to genealogists. The 1831
only lists head of household by name, and then the numbers of males and
females.
> witness or parent on John and Margaret's marriage cert? I will
> appreciate any help or information on Monmouthshire registration
> districts that you can provide. Sandy
If you can get hold of relevant birth and marriage certificates, that
will help, greatly. Prior to 1 July 1837 (the start of civil
registration in England & Wales) though, you'll have to look through
Parish Registers or Bishops Transcripts to try and find out the names
of parents. If you're not local to Monmouthshire, and the various
online resources don't have transcriptions of the PR's or BT's you're
interested in, you might want to consider hiring a professional to do
some research on your behalf.
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Hi listers. I have found my rellies on the 1841 and 1851 censuses. I am hoping to learn their exact birth dates, and possibly witnesses on the certs. If anyone has access to this info, I would appreciate help. I tried to look on FreeBMD, but I am not totally clear on registration districts.
John Thomas - born between 1813 & 1819, most likely 1814
Martha (Yem) Thomas - b. between 1816 & 1820, most likely either 1819 or 1820
Ann Thomas - b. between 1840 and 1843
Mary Thomas - b. between 1843 & 1850, most likely 1844 or 1845
Sarah Thomas - b. between 1846 & 1851, most likely 1846 or 1847
This family did not find age important so their age and the year born vary from census to census.
I think that Martha's maiden name was Yem - in 1841 Ann Yemm was living with them. And, on Martha's death cert, it is listed that her maiden name was Yem. I did find a John Thomas and a Martha Yemm on the marriage register from the first quarter of 1839 in Free BMD. I haven't ordered a cert yet.
On the 1851 census, it says that Ann Thomas was born in Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, Wales; civil parish Aberystruth, ecclestical parish Beaufort, Registration district Abergavenny, sub-district Blaenavon.
When I was trying to find the children on FreeBMD, I do not find any listings for Aberystruth - but there are Abergavenny, Newport, Cardiff, Pontypool entries. Would they have registered the birth in Abergavenny?
Sarah Thomas married John Yem (in USA). I have worked on the Yem family and they were also from Monmouthshire. John's father was also John. I am beginning to think that Sarah and John might have been first cousins. At that time period, I know that wasn't a taboo - but I would be curious to know which of the Yem's were the children of Ann to know if they were cousins. Do you have any ideas how I might do that since the censuses don't go back before 1841? Possibly to see if Ann Yemm is listed as a witness or parent on John and Margaret's marriage cert?
I will appreciate any help or information on Monmouthshire registration districts that you can provide.
Sandy
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