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our collective knowledge of eclesiastical history and geography is far
greater than my own
see
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/index.jsp
or use google site:www.visionofbritain.org.
and
http://www.genuki.org.uk/
and google
and oldy directories like Kelly's
and Gwent FHS
Hugh W
On 6/8/06, lew977MitziA <lew977(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Hugh,
>
> I couldn't figure that one out since our marriage procedures are so
> different--we can get married absolutely anywhere including under water
> or in a balloon if we can get someone who is licensed to go with us.
> (Makes for some really, really weird marriages.)
>
> But...one more question now that I understand why my grandparents got
> married in the Parish Church. What would be the name of the church they
> were married in?
>
> I figure that the Parish Church of Mynddyislwyn would have been St.
> Tudors. Right? I've visited that church. In 1859 would the Parish
> Church of Llanhilleth have been (the now deconsecrated) St. Illtyd?
>
> The other marriage was in St. Woolas. Is that not the Parish Church of
> Newport?
>
> Thanks, Hugh,
> Mitzi again
>
>
> --- Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the same reason that Charles got married in a registryoffice this
> > time
> >
> > their chapel was not "licensed for marriages"
> >
> > rules today
> > http://www.torfaen.gov.uk/en/living/index.php/mid=626~omid=622
> >
> > Hugh W
> >
> > On 6/7/06, lew977MitziA <lew977(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I just received marriage certificates for three couples that puzzle
> > me.
> > > Why would non-conformists marry "...in the parish church according
> > to
> > > the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by banns...etc."
> > > Why wouldn't they have married in their own church?
> > >
> > > This branch of my family were not members of "the established
> > church",
> > > but were most strict and staunch Primitive Methodists. But my
> > > great-grandparents were married in "the parish church of St.
> > Woolos" in
> > > 1853. She was widowed and in 1859 married again, this time "... in
> > the
> > > parish church in the Parish of Llanhilleth" .
> > >
> > > I know they were dissenters pre-marriage because they lived to
> > > celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary at the Primitive
> > Methodist
> > > Church in Crosskeys and it was fully reported in a full half a
> > page in
> > > the local newspaper describing their life-long dedication to their
> > > church. I also have a certificate of church acceptance at age 13
> > for
> > > my grandmother.
> > >
> > > Their daughter (my grandmother) married also in a "parish church",
> > but
> > > of Mynddislwyn and "according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the
> > > Established Church."
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mitzi in Seattle
> > >
> > > "On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the
> > only
> > >
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> > > Humorist, Will Rogers
> > >
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1851 census page sent offlist through Ancestry's share. Henry MERIDETH, in
Liverpool, staying at the home of an emigration agent. This seems to be his
likely departure point for the U.S.
Kathy Nemaric
Orlando, Florida
-----Original Message-----
From: Ruth Ann Baker [mailto:ratbaker@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Mon] Henry MEREDITH later in America and Abergavenny
Last month I inquired about Henry Pitt MEREDITH. Death certificates
received this week for other family members have yielded some very
helpful clues about him. Can you answer some of the questions that
follow or offer suggestions of what to do next?
The 1881 census for Abergavenny, Monmouthshire looks very possible but
poses some questions. It is RG 11, piece 5234, folio 58, page 27.
1. Henry MERDITH (slight spelling difference) is indexed as age 40,
born in Cloduck, Herefordshire, a retired goldminer. He was living at 6
Brecon Road. When I look at the actual image, I think his age is 60.
Does it look like that to you? Henry Pitt MEREDITH was one of three
children in the family christened/baptized on 30 October 1825 in Clodock,
Herefordshire, so his exact year of birth is not known.
2. It is believed Henry Pitt MEREDITH had two wives. The name of
his first wife is not yet known. He married second wife, Ann Hamer, in
January 1869 in Hay, Breconshire. This fits with the ages of children
and name of wife shown on this census.
3. His son William T. MERDITH was born in America about 1862. Does
this refer just to the United States or could it also include Canada?
The only Henry MEREDITH individuals I have found so far on passenger
lists in right time period for New York City went to Canada.
Can you find Henry and his family on the 1871 census in the British
Isles?
Henry Pitt MEREDITH registered the death of his mother Elizabeth MEREDITH
(born Elizabeth PITT and widow of James MEREDITH) in June 1875 at Redlay
Farm, Cusop, Herefordshire. She was buried in Clyro, Radnorshire (across
the river). Henry gave his residence as 68 Merthyr Road, Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
When his brother David MEREDITH died at Redlay Farm, Cusop,
Herefordshire, in August 1881, Henry Pitt MEREDITH registered the death.
This time Henry gave his residence as Brecon Road, Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire. (This is a major clue that makes me think the above 1881
census record actually is Henry.) David too was buried in Clyro,
Radnorshire.
I have found Henry Pitt MEREDITH with his parents and a couple of
siblings on the 1841 census at Clyro, Radnorshire. The parents and
brother David were on 1851, 1871, 1881 census records at Redlay Farm,
Cusop, Herefordshire.
Have not been able to locate Henry Pitt MEREDITH on the 1851 or 1861
census records. There is a remote possibility that he is in the United
States for the 1860 census, but without name of first wife it is hard to
tell for sure.
Nor have I found a possible death year for him that fits known details.
Looking forward to hearing from listers that may be able to help.
Ruth Ann Baker
United States
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Ruth,
I did a quick search on Henry meredith in Steve Morse's web page for Castle Garden and there are 2 that came up:
Henry Meredith 17 M arrived: 6/12/1866 origin:England Occupation: Miner Ship: Etna
Henry Meredith 32 M arrived:4/30/1851 origin:Ireland Occupation: Unknown Ship: Joseph Walker.
There are many hits when you just put in Meredith but you can search yourself at www.stevemorse.org or http://castlegarden.org/index.html.
Castle Garden was were immigrants would be processed from 1830 to 1892.
Happy Hunting,
Patti Dyer, NJ, USA
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Last month I inquired about Henry Pitt MEREDITH. Death certificates
received this week for other family members have yielded some very
helpful clues about him. Can you answer some of the questions that
follow or offer suggestions of what to do next?
The 1881 census for Abergavenny, Monmouthshire looks very possible but
poses some questions. It is RG 11, piece 5234, folio 58, page 27.
1. Henry MERDITH (slight spelling difference) is indexed as age 40,
born in Cloduck, Herefordshire, a retired goldminer. He was living at 6
Brecon Road. When I look at the actual image, I think his age is 60.
Does it look like that to you? Henry Pitt MEREDITH was one of three
children in the family christened/baptized on 30 October 1825 in Clodock,
Herefordshire, so his exact year of birth is not known.
2. It is believed Henry Pitt MEREDITH had two wives. The name of
his first wife is not yet known. He married second wife, Ann Hamer, in
January 1869 in Hay, Breconshire. This fits with the ages of children
and name of wife shown on this census.
3. His son William T. MERDITH was born in America about 1862. Does
this refer just to the United States or could it also include Canada?
The only Henry MEREDITH individuals I have found so far on passenger
lists in right time period for New York City went to Canada.
Can you find Henry and his family on the 1871 census in the British
Isles?
Henry Pitt MEREDITH registered the death of his mother Elizabeth MEREDITH
(born Elizabeth PITT and widow of James MEREDITH) in June 1875 at Redlay
Farm, Cusop, Herefordshire. She was buried in Clyro, Radnorshire (across
the river). Henry gave his residence as 68 Merthyr Road, Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
When his brother David MEREDITH died at Redlay Farm, Cusop,
Herefordshire, in August 1881, Henry Pitt MEREDITH registered the death.
This time Henry gave his residence as Brecon Road, Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire. (This is a major clue that makes me think the above 1881
census record actually is Henry.) David too was buried in Clyro,
Radnorshire.
I have found Henry Pitt MEREDITH with his parents and a couple of
siblings on the 1841 census at Clyro, Radnorshire. The parents and
brother David were on 1851, 1871, 1881 census records at Redlay Farm,
Cusop, Herefordshire.
Have not been able to locate Henry Pitt MEREDITH on the 1851 or 1861
census records. There is a remote possibility that he is in the United
States for the 1860 census, but without name of first wife it is hard to
tell for sure.
Nor have I found a possible death year for him that fits known details.
Looking forward to hearing from listers that may be able to help.
Ruth Ann Baker
United States
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:59:20 EDT
Azusuk1(a)aol.com wrote:
Hello Azusuk1(a)aol.com,
> Would some kind lister remind me - were ages in 1841 census adjusted
> up or down?
Down, to the nearest multiple of five, for those over 15 years of age.
However, many enumerators ignored this guideline, and recorded age as
stated.
--
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/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Thanks everyone. Now I know.
Mitzi
----- Original Message -----
From: "lew977MitziA" <lew977(a)yahoo.com>
Why would non-conformists marry "...in the parish church according to
the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by banns...etc." Why
wouldn't they have married in their own church?
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem a a nail. A. Maslow
I just received marriage certificates for three couples that puzzle me.
Why would non-conformists marry "...in the parish church according to
the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by banns...etc."
Why wouldn't they have married in their own church?
This branch of my family were not members of "the established church",
but were most strict and staunch Primitive Methodists. But my
great-grandparents were married in "the parish church of St. Woolos" in
1853. She was widowed and in 1859 married again, this time "... in the
parish church in the Parish of Llanhilleth" .
I know they were dissenters pre-marriage because they lived to
celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary at the Primitive Methodist
Church in Crosskeys and it was fully reported in a full half a page in
the local newspaper describing their life-long dedication to their
church. I also have a certificate of church acceptance at age 13 for
my grandmother.
Their daughter (my grandmother) married also in a "parish church", but
of Mynddislwyn and "according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the
Established Church."
Thanks,
Mitzi in Seattle
"On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only
nation in the world that HAS to keep a government for four years."
Humorist, Will Rogers
Hi Listers...
A comment has been sent to me regarding Babel Chapel (as I've got a web page
for this online):
>>>>
Babel Chapel Cwmfelinfach, burial place of Islwyn the Poet - latest!!
This monument to Islwyn is at this moment a considerable worry as there are
plans afoot to demolish this memorial. Locals are desperate to keep it many
such like memorials have been lost through this valley to make way for
housing etc. It has been said a figure of £40,000 would need to be spent on
the building to make it safe for visitors. The key is available for anyone
wishing to visit the chapel from the Full Moon Vistors Centre in the Sirhowy
Country Park. Viewing is by appointment only.
Would appreciate any comments or ideas on how to get help to stop the lost
of yet another of our monumnets.
>>>>
Anyone on this list know anything about this or have any further
information?
Cheers
The OGRE
In researching Welsh out-migration, especially that of miners to the USA, I
found a lecture presented at Cardiff University in 2003. I found it
fascinating because it helped me better understand what was likely to have motivated
my coal-miner GGrandfather to leave his family in Wales in 1879 to work in
the mines of Pennsylvania, and his wife and six children to follow and join him
18 months later in 1881. It also sheds light on how they may have
accomplished the movement. It is a long pdf file, but I found it well worth the read
and download. Here is the link, for those Listers who have similar
interests:
_http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/cymraeg/welsh/welshAmerican/RaisingTheWind.pdf_
(http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/cymraeg/welsh/welshAmerican/RaisingTheWind.pdf)
Respectfully,
William Cecil Townsend
Vienna, VA USA
Researching Townsend and Evans
In a message dated 6/4/2006 10:00:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
MONMOUTHSHIRE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
It seems that the names Charlotte and Samuel were popular during this time
period and my Charlotte was a BIGGS. A very common name in Montgomeryshire.
I also use 'Lottie' in my searches and do get some hits.
Patti Dyer, NJ, USA
-----
Patti, thank you. I had not thought of searching on "Lottie" also, but will
do that!
Regards,
Cecil
In a message dated 6/3/2006 4:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
k.thomas.3(a)virgin.net writes:
Hello Cecil
Mike Johns web site has been updated recently to in clude Trevethin parish
records
Link is below.
Keith
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.htm
----
Keith, Thank you for the link! I went to it and immediately bookmarked it.
I gathered from it that Mike has not yet transcribed Trevethin parish, but
expects to do so in the next few months.
Best regards,
Cecil
Keith wrote:
----
Hello Cecil
1851 Trevethin
Ancestry have surpassed themselves,
Samuel is transcribed as Lierman
Charlotte, Joseph and William are transcribed as Cotterston
The Reference is HO107 2449 F 340 P 41
The writing is very faint but the Gwent fhs census index has
the family transcribed correctly .
Keith
----
Keith, I am so grateful for what you did, and am astounded that you were
able to do it given the absurd corruptions of the names by Ancestry. I take it
that you found them by using the Gwent FHS Census Index?
The writing in the image for the Census reference page is also very faint on
Ancestry, so much so that it is not entirely legible. Do you have an idea
as to how I might acquire a legible copy of the image?
Best regards,
Cecil
Hi Betsy,
The reason why I asked was twofold,
Firstly, the date is outside of the scope transcribed so far by FreeBMD.
It's an ongoing project and is far from complete.
Secondly, and far more importantly as far as I'm concerned, I'm totally
blind and can only access transcribed information, which means images are
out of reach for my text reading software. Hence, I ask the list for help in
such instances.
Hope this answers your question, at least as far as my circumstances are
concerned anyway?
Kindest regards, Jon
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From: "Betsy VanAuker" <mvanauker(a)hughes.net>
To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Mon] BMD Image check please?
>I wonder why people keep asking for BMD checks in England and Wales when
> they can be accessed at:
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> for free.
> Betsy
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Thanks to all those who pointed me in the right direction for the Basseleg baptisms.
unfortunately I did not find what I was looking for.
I am searching for the baptism of DAVID HOWELLS born in Basseleg approx 1830.
From his marriage cert I know that his father was Charles but now I am stuck, as I have no idea where next to go for his baptism if of course he was baptised.
In 1881 census David and his family were living in "Baptist" cottages in St Woolo's Newport.
Is it likely that the family would have to be Baptists to live there and if so maybe I should not be looking for an infant baptism after all.
Any ideas please.
Thanks Maureen.
Yes Dawn the more I look at it the more likely it is him, I just need the age to make it concrete, but I'm about 99.9% the way there!
Thanks for all your help, and to everyone else too, it's a great list!
cheers all, Jon
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From: Alex0Clive(a)aol.com
To: jpnixey(a)btinternet.com
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mon] BMD Image check please?
Jon
I printed the info from the 1837 online site.
it appears that you can order a death cert using those details from the Overseas Records section.
That might give an age or date of birth or parents.
Dont know for sure. Perhaps someone else on the site can enlighten you.
Dawn
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Jon Nixey <jpnixey(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
Would some very kind soul who has access to ancestry's BMD images please
look for the death index of a Thomas Cooksey for me? the date I have is
November 25 1917, but no age. Residence is said to be Abertillery so it
would be in the Bedwellty RD.
There is a chance he was killed overseas during WW1 in which case I presume
his death wouldn't be on these images.
====================
Dear Jon,
A quick search of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission's Debt of Honour
database revealed that Private 8739 Thomas Cooksey of the 19th (Queen
Alexandra's Own Royal) Hussars was killed on 25 Nov 1917 and is commemorated
on the Cambrai Memorial, Louerval, France. The Cambrai Memorial commemorates
more than 7,000 servicemen of the United Kingdom and South Africa who died
in the Battle of Cambrai in November and December 1917 and whose graves are
not known.
Search the Debt of Honour for yourself at http://www.cwgc.org/
Kind regards,
John
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Hi again Dawn,
I'm trying to find an age to know for sure if it was him or not. If it is he would be about 23 or 24. There were other Cookseys in the area, including Thomas's, so Im' trying to determine if he's the one I'm after.
Thanks for all your help, absoutley brilliant! And to all others that have replied too, thank you very much indeed for your time and effort.
regards to all, Jon
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To: jpnixey(a)btinternet.com
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mon] BMD Image check please?
Jon
Did those details look like your Thomas or do I still need to keep looking.
Dawn
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