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----- Original Message -----
From: "keith" <k.thomas.3(a)virgin.net>
>
> Here are the family in 1871
> Keith
>
>
> RG 10 5352 F134 P 29
> Mynyddislwyn
> Penmain
> Crumlin
> John Bale h m 34 Servant on G.W Railway. Eng not s
> Elizabeth w m 41 Devon. Pilton
> George W Bale s 10 Devon Georgeham
> Alice Mary Bale d 8
> Frances Grace Bale d 9 Months Mon Mynyddislwyn
> Elizabeth Ann Bale d 4 Devon Georgeham
Keith
Can you tell us how you succeeded in finding them while everyone else
failed? or is that a secret lol
Ann
On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:55:17 +0100
"Mike Bale" <mike.bale(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hello Mike,
> census he has a daughter Frances G born in Crumlin in 1871[although
> FreeBMD has July-Sept 1870] and as family history says he was station
> master at Pontllanfraith I'm hoping that's were he was in 1871.
Keep in mind that year of birth as given in a census is a) an estimate,
and b) based on what the enumerator was told.
The first would allow a birth in 1870 to be accurate, and the second,
well, I've got people that age (apparently) as little as three years
between censuses. It comes down to the fact that, until recently, DoB
was not of such importance as it is now.
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/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Hi Ann,
The reason for the lister locating them is a mystery to me, but his date of
birth given by Michael was incorrect and that is why John Bale went through
my net, thats my excuse :))
Regards Barbara
I've been searching too. I notice in 1881 John's age is 40 (born 1841)
whereas in 1861 his age is 25 (born 1836). So even using a wider than usual
age scope, and using keywords and no surname has still not helped. I even
searched for George and for Frances with keywords and without surnames etc,
but nothing.
Kind regards, Jon
Hello
I've just joined this list and hope that SKS check the 1871 census and help pin down my Great Grandfather John BALE born Monkleigh, Devon 1836 moved from Devon to Wales.
He was in Georgeham, Devon in 1861 and in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881 as an unemployed station master but not apparently in 1871. In the 1881 census he has a daughter Frances G born in Crumlin in 1871[although FreeBMD has July-Sept 1870] and as family history says he was station master at Pontllanfraith I'm hoping that's were he was in 1871.
Regards
Michael
Well, how about Elizabeth BALE, married, (who could be his wife), listed as
head of household, mariner's wife. Perhaps he was away at sea?
1871
Monmouthshire
St. Woolos
1 Bolt Street
Elizabeth BALE, Head, married, age 34, Mariner's Wife, b. Devon, Ilfracombe
Thomas John BALE, son, unmarried, age 6, Scholar, b. Monmouth, Newport
She is living in a household with another mariner's wife, Mary Ann GROVES.
Image sent through Ancestry's "share" feature.
Kathy
Orlando, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bale [mailto:mike.bale@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:55 PM
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Mon] BALE Crumlin 1871
Hello
I've just joined this list and hope that SKS check the 1871 census and help
pin down my Great Grandfather John BALE born Monkleigh, Devon 1836 moved
from Devon to Wales.
He was in Georgeham, Devon in 1861 and in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881 as an
unemployed station master but not apparently in 1871. In the 1881 census he
has a daughter Frances G born in Crumlin in 1871[although FreeBMD has
July-Sept 1870] and as family history says he was station master at
Pontllanfraith I'm hoping that's were he was in 1871.
Regards
Michael
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Hello Michael,
If I recall I was unable to locate them when you made the request to the
Glamorgan list, I have searched again and there is no sign of them in 1871.
They may well be transcribed incorrectly and searching for a Surname which
could be anything will be difficult.
Regards Barbara
Hi Joss :-)
It is still possible there was some truth to that, though I have looked at
all the available online information and the information available to those
in England who have kindly helped me try to find her at the British Library.
I was searching for months and months without any really close matches. The
reason why I thought to try and find her in English records was because
practically everything on the certificate was fabricated!! She was 20 years
older than my Great Grandfather, I don’t know whether that was the reason
why they thought they needed to lie or not, but he gave a false name, place
of birth and age. She gave a false age. Their daughter (my Grandmother)
was even born with a different surname because of it! It was a wonder I
managed to discover them at all! I’m hoping this ‘Nellie’ might be mine,
but I will continue to try all angles etc just in case! This family never
cease to surprise me! :-)
Tamara.
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Hello everyone,
Thank you so much for the replies I have received regarding Winifred Nellie
Gregory. There seems to have been a Marion Gregory in the Newport area of
Monmouthsire who had a ‘Nellie’ in the 1901 census. This could possibly be
her, and interestingly (thanks to Keith!) her father’s name was Thomas. My
Winifred Gregory had her father’s name listed as Thomas when she married!
Can I just ask, if this does turn out to be her, what is it like researching
in this area? Is it possible to view parish records etc at all in order to
trace the family? I haven’t had any Welsh connections up to date so any
advice would be wonderful,
Tamara.
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Hello everyone :-)
My name is Tamara and I live in New South Wales, Australia. I was hoping
that perhaps someone might be able to help me please? I have been trying to
track down my grandmother’s family for quite a while now and have discovered
a lot of ‘fib telling’ on their certificates! My Great Grandmother
(Grandmother’s mother) was Winifred ‘Nellie’ Gregory. She stated that she
was born in Burma India. For a while I believed this, and searched for ages
for her birth/christening record there with no luck whatsoever. Since then
I discovered several mistruth’s on that particular certificate and thought I
would check freebmd to see if I could find any matches. I found one! A
Winifred Nellie Gregory born in 1892 Monmouthshire! I was wondering whether
it might be possible to discover any more information about this entry at
all? I would really love to get to the truth with this family! Quite a
challenge!! :-)
Thank you, any advice would be greatly appreciated,
Tamara.
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what jobs did your ancestors do?
the tackle on the crane is typical of that used by a stone mason
Hugh W
On 5/21/06, John Ball <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com> wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> I have been amazed and gratified by the level of interest aroused by my
> request for help with identifying the locomotive inscription and nature of
> the construction work.
>
> The general consensus is that the inscription is 'GRWYNNE FAWR' and the work
> relates to the construction of a reservoir in the Black Mountains of
> Breconshire.
>
> In a series of responses, Jeff Coleman of the Glamorgan List contributed the
> following information:
> -------------------------
> Looks like GRWYNNE FAWR. Grwyne Fawr is a tributary of the Usk about 7 miles
> from Crickhowell in the Black Mountains, with a reservoir near the top. Grid
> ref SO233308 approximately. There is a bridle way shown up the east side of
> the steep valley which seems to have the right sort of gradient and line to
> have been a temporary construction railway, which would have been about the
> right place for the loco if this photo was the construction of the dam. In
> north-east corner of Monmouthshire in valley parallel to the Vale of Ewyas
> near the Herefordshire border and the valley with Llanthony Abbey in it.
> www.cwmtillery.com/history/grwynefawr.htm shows the finished dam in snow.
> www.cwmtillery.com/history.html says the reservoir was built between 1912
> and 1928, with a first small reservoir opened in 1915. That might be what
> this photo shows.
> More photos at www.pbase.com/quadphoto/blackmountains_1
> The landscape behind the loco certainly resembles the upper reaches of the
> Black Mountains valleys south of Hay.
> See also www.breconbeacons.org/2005%20walks%20and%20events.pdf for May 2005
> which refers to 'A walk along the old railway track to Grwyne Fawr dam and
> reservoir ...'.
> See also http://www.breconbeacons.org/visit_the_park/events/july for 18th
> July:
> Sunday 18th July [not 2006] -- "Stone and Steam in the Black Mountains"
> 10.00am - 1.00pm 5km (3 miles) - From the Blaen-y-Cwm car park in the
> Grwyne Fawr Valley SO 252284. The title and subject of this walk is borrowed
> from the Rev. Tipper's history of the building of the Grwyne Fawr Reservoir,
> early last century.
> "Stone and Steam in the Black Mountains" by Rev D. A. Tipper, published 1975
> Upjohn and Bottomley (see page 483 of
> www.stephensonloco.fsbusiness.co.uk/SLSCAT_Part1_full_2006.pdf )
> -------------------------
>
> Also on the Glamorgan List, Ian Moseley added:
> -------------------------
> I have walked to and around Grwynne Fawr many times over the years, The
> remains of a road way for rail tracks is still visible. The name on the loco
> also looks like Grwynne Fawr to me. If you do visit the area John you
> could also take some photos of Partrishow Church. It has a very interesting
> history.
> -------------------------
>
> On the Dyfed List, Jon Lloyd added:
> -------------------------
> ...could the loco say Grwynne Fawr? I believe the Grwynne (or Grwyne)
> reservoir in the Black Mountains was built between 1912 and about 1920 to
> serve parts of what is now north Gwent and imagine its construction site
> must have resembled something like your photo - no doubt you can find more
> elsewhere online.
> -------------------------
>
> Several listers suggested the work was concerned with the construction of a
> dam.
>
> Others who contributed their ideas, included:
> Ann Macey (MON); Rhodri (DYFED); Paul Young (DYFED); Alison Bryan (POWYS);
> Dennis Cleaton (POWYS) Ray Rogers; Patrick Brock.
>
> I am now convinced that the inscription is Grwynne Fawr and the men are
> engaged on constructing an underground channel to convey water from the
> Grwyne Fawr reservoir.
>
> Many thanks to all who wrote to me for your speedy responses.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
> --------------------
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> E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
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Dear Listers,
I have been amazed and gratified by the level of interest aroused by my
request for help with identifying the locomotive inscription and nature of
the construction work.
The general consensus is that the inscription is 'GRWYNNE FAWR' and the work
relates to the construction of a reservoir in the Black Mountains of
Breconshire.
In a series of responses, Jeff Coleman of the Glamorgan List contributed the
following information:
-------------------------
Looks like GRWYNNE FAWR. Grwyne Fawr is a tributary of the Usk about 7 miles
from Crickhowell in the Black Mountains, with a reservoir near the top. Grid
ref SO233308 approximately. There is a bridle way shown up the east side of
the steep valley which seems to have the right sort of gradient and line to
have been a temporary construction railway, which would have been about the
right place for the loco if this photo was the construction of the dam. In
north-east corner of Monmouthshire in valley parallel to the Vale of Ewyas
near the Herefordshire border and the valley with Llanthony Abbey in it.
www.cwmtillery.com/history/grwynefawr.htm shows the finished dam in snow.
www.cwmtillery.com/history.html says the reservoir was built between 1912
and 1928, with a first small reservoir opened in 1915. That might be what
this photo shows.
More photos at www.pbase.com/quadphoto/blackmountains_1
The landscape behind the loco certainly resembles the upper reaches of the
Black Mountains valleys south of Hay.
See also www.breconbeacons.org/2005%20walks%20and%20events.pdf for May 2005
which refers to 'A walk along the old railway track to Grwyne Fawr dam and
reservoir ...'.
See also http://www.breconbeacons.org/visit_the_park/events/july for 18th
July:
Sunday 18th July [not 2006] -- "Stone and Steam in the Black Mountains"
10.00am - 1.00pm 5km (3 miles) - From the Blaen-y-Cwm car park in the
Grwyne Fawr Valley SO 252284. The title and subject of this walk is borrowed
from the Rev. Tipper's history of the building of the Grwyne Fawr Reservoir,
early last century.
"Stone and Steam in the Black Mountains" by Rev D. A. Tipper, published 1975
Upjohn and Bottomley (see page 483 of
www.stephensonloco.fsbusiness.co.uk/SLSCAT_Part1_full_2006.pdf )
-------------------------
Also on the Glamorgan List, Ian Moseley added:
-------------------------
I have walked to and around Grwynne Fawr many times over the years, The
remains of a road way for rail tracks is still visible. The name on the loco
also looks like Grwynne Fawr to me. If you do visit the area John you
could also take some photos of Partrishow Church. It has a very interesting
history.
-------------------------
On the Dyfed List, Jon Lloyd added:
-------------------------
...could the loco say Grwynne Fawr? I believe the Grwynne (or Grwyne)
reservoir in the Black Mountains was built between 1912 and about 1920 to
serve parts of what is now north Gwent and imagine its construction site
must have resembled something like your photo - no doubt you can find more
elsewhere online.
-------------------------
Several listers suggested the work was concerned with the construction of a
dam.
Others who contributed their ideas, included:
Ann Macey (MON); Rhodri (DYFED); Paul Young (DYFED); Alison Bryan (POWYS);
Dennis Cleaton (POWYS) Ray Rogers; Patrick Brock.
I am now convinced that the inscription is Grwynne Fawr and the men are
engaged on constructing an underground channel to convey water from the
Grwyne Fawr reservoir.
Many thanks to all who wrote to me for your speedy responses.
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
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E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
>
> I would like to enlist your help in identifying an inscription on an old
> photograph.
>
I think it looks like CANTREF C????
Can I just say that it is one heck of a big tunnel or Pipe they are standing
on, I wonder if it is a water main or if it is a big sewer pipe.
Let us know what you find out
Ann Macey
Dear Listers,
I would like to enlist your help in identifying an inscription on an old
photograph.
The photo, which includes a known ancestor, was taken somewhere in Wales in
the early 1900s. The photo shows some form of excavation or construction
project and includes a steam locomotive with an inscription on its side.
Interpreting the inscription may help to identify the area of Wales in which
the photo was taken, and the nature of the construction work.
I have temporarily placed the photo on my website and have included an
enlarged and enhanced view of the locomotive.
I would be grateful if you could study these images and let me know what you
think the inscription says, and any ideas you may have about the kind of
work being undertaken. E-mail me at john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
You can access the photograph at www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/loco.jpg
I will report back to the mailing list with the outcome of this
investigation.
Many thanks for your help.
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
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Hi
Although you have traced your Winifred to Monmouthshire, it is possible that
the Bengal thing was not a complete fabrication. Maybe her parents married
there? Check out the Index to Bengal Marriages at
http://users.rootsweb.com/~indwgw/Bengal/Bengal_Marriage.htm where there are
many Gregorys tying the knot.
TTFN
Joss
Hello
I am a new subscriber. I have discovered that my great grandfather was a
Mariner based in Newport and I am very keen to find out (a) if there are
any records which would give me more information about him and (b) what
life was like for Mariners and their families in the 1800s and (c) how
on earth would a lad from a tiny village in Suffolk have met and married
a girl in Newport?
Here are the facts:
George CARMAN
b. circa 1856, Thelnetham, Suffolk
m. 27 Oct 1876, Pillgwenlly, Monmouthshire to Elizabeth Sarah LEWIS
Occ: Mariner (according to marriage certificate)
Census
1861 (George) Fen Road, Thelnetham, G'son, 5, b. Thelnetham, Sfk
1871 no sign of George - should be 15yrs - at sea?
(got married in 1876 in Pillgwenlly)
1881 no sign of George but wife at 5 Upper Lime Street, St. Woollas
1891 no sign of George but wife at 29 Marion St, St Woollos, Newport
1901 (George) 48 Lennard St, Newport (St Johns Maindee) Railway wagon
repairer, b. Thelnetham with wife and children.
Basically I have George in 1861, aged 5 still living in Suffolk then a
big jump to 1901 when he's with wife and family in Newport and he's a
railway wagon repairer. I assume that all the intervening years he's
perhaps at sea which would explain why his wife was always alone at
census time with the children.
An aunt gave me scraps of notes before she died and on one it said:
George CARMAN
SS Laxham
Whitby
Ship's Carpenter
I have found out about SS Laxham built in 1879, it was owned by
R.Harrowing Co., Whitby. It sank with very sad circumstances in 1884. If
George was a ship's carpenter it would make sense that he became a
railway wagon repairer, if I'm right in thinking that railway wagons
were still wooden in 1901.
If George went to sea as a boy, is it possible that on one of his
voyages the ship called in at Newport and that's how he met my gt.
grandmother.. did mariners lodge the odd night with local people? These
are the sort of social history things I would love to learn about.
Any pointers gratefully received.
best wishes
Jan Trory, Alcester, Warwickshire
Hi Listers,
My British cousin Lynn and I are researching the name Powell. In the 1841
Nantyglo census our ancestor, Thomas Powell, is listed as a constable.
Lynn sent me an email yesterday wondering if there would be old records
available listing those who had served in this capacity. Can anyone help?
I'm sending out this query for both of us. Thomas Powell and his wife,
Catharine nee Preece have now become our brick wall in this line. They are
both listed in 1841 Nantyglo as not born in county. Unfortunately, they
both died before 1851, so their place of birth is a mystery although we have
a hunch that it may be in or around Ross, Herefordshire as that's where
their son, Thomas Elijah Powell was born in 1827.
Thanks in advance for any help given.
Lynn from Durham
Janet from Pittsburgh, PA
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I inadvertently deleted an offlist e-mail from some descendants of the family who occupied this farm.
Can you please dig this out of your "sent" file and resend??????
Sorry. Jojo
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Dear Listers,
This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my
website, feature:
1. A two-page exploration of the ancient parish of Llangyfelach, north of
Swansea in the county of Glamorgan (seventeen pictures). This feature was
first shown on 'Images of Wales' in September 2004.
2. The historic market town of Monmouth in the county of Monmouthshire
(eight pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in
November 1998.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
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