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It sounds like a typical Valleys expression. "Up the" and "down the" are loosely descriptive terms of location! Varteg is indeed on the other side of the mountain so would be used for that general area. My family from Blaina and Nantyglo used to say the same sort of things. An uncle of mine (born and bred in Nantyglo) maintains that there is a particular dialect in that village which he calls "Nantygloisms".
For more "Wenglish", see www.talktidy.com
Are you also a member of Blaenau Gwent list? I seem to recall some discussion on there about dialect.
Jane Dyer.
Robert Treharne Jones <tjwizard(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
While we're on the subject can anyone else explain where the expression 'up
the Varteg' came from, as in ''e come from up the Varteg'?
My parents used to refer to this as a family expression in Blaina for anyone
who came from 'the other side of the hill'.
Robert
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[mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helen Schenkelaars
Please could someone tell me whether Varteg came under Abergavenney or
Pontypool registration district in 1870s? If it was Pontypool, where did
the boundary fall between the two districts, as Blaenavon is included in
Abergavenney I believe? Where would be the most likely place to look for
the baptism of a child born in Varteg?
Thanks
Helen
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Bryan,
Varteg is a Welsh name although misspelt.
The Welsh name is 'Y Farteg', and the original name is Marteg. There are
quite a few other Marteg and Farteg names to be found in Wales. Mar must be a
feminine noun because it mutates after the definite article 'Y'. The 'teg' part
of the word means fair, but I can't work out what the 'Mar' part means at
the moment. Before somebody asks I don't know why teg doesn't mutate after the
feminine noun unless it is because it denotes possession or maybe that is
misspelt as well and the name should actually be 'Y Fardeg'.
I come from Abersychan which is a mile or so down the mountain below the
Varteg and we used to say "he comes from up the Varteg" whereas someone from
Garndiffaith was said to be "off the Garn".
Hwyl
Glyn Davies
In a message dated 26/10/2006 13:18:03 GMT Standard Time,
captbrian(a)ukonline.co.uk writes:
What puzzles me is that Varteg doesn't sound Welsh.
Does it come from Vortigern - an original Brit. ie Welsh king. AD375 -ish
I only ask?
Bryan
Many thanks for the replies. You have confirmed what I hoped would be the case and I shall now risk ordering a LEWIS certificate and investigate the church records for a baptism.
Thanks again
Helen
Please could someone tell me whether Varteg came under Abergavenney or Pontypool registration district in 1870s? If it was Pontypool, where did the boundary fall between the two districts, as Blaenavon is included in Abergavenney I believe? Where would be the most likely place to look for the baptism of a child born in Varteg?
Thanks
Helen
Hello Helen,
Abergavenny was a Sub-District and became a Registration District in it's
own right in 1861, Blaenavon was also a Sub-District.
Pontypool was created on the 1st July 1837 and the place of birth you
mention came under the Registration District of Pontypool.
Regards Barbara
In a message dated 10/25/2006 3:13:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
h.schenkelaars(a)btconnect.com writes:
Please could someone tell me whether Varteg came under Abergavenney or
Pontypool registration district in 1870s? If it was Pontypool, where did the
boundary fall between the two districts, as Blaenavon is included in
Abergavenney I believe? Where would be the most likely place to look for the baptism of
a child born in Varteg?
Thanks
Helen
----
Hi, Helen. My Grandfather was b. 1872 in Varteg, and his birth certificate
states that it was in the registration district of Pontypool. I have no clue
where the boundary with Abergavenny was, or where he might have been
baptised although St. Cadoc's in Trevethin is a good possibility.
Regards,
Cecil
In a message dated 10/25/2006 5:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, B1oatley
writes:
Not all marriage certificates show that father is deceased, have you the
names of the 2 witnesses that was present at the time of marriage.
I have a feeling that her father died before 1851 Census, if he was still
alive I would have possibly found a Census record for him but he is not coming
up on any record.
And being that Mary was young and there is no connection with parents or
siblings, she may have not had her parents alive.
Regards Barbara
___
Hi, Barbara, The witnesses to the 1862 marriage were James Goodwin and
Elizabeth Bevan, both by mark. The name Goodwin rings a bell, because Mary
Goodwin was the Informant for the birth of Mary Evans Townsend's fifth living
child, Evan (my Grandfather), in Varteg, Trevethin in 1872. Ann Goodwin was the
Informant for the birth of sixth child Tom Townsend, also in Varteg, in 1873.
Both Ann and Mary Goodwin were identified as occupiers. The Townsends were
evidently fond of the Goodwins, because Tom had the middle name of Goodwin.
By the way, my GGrandmother's full name was Mary Ann Evans, but the "Ann"
seems to be routinely dropped out of official records.
I would be interested in your opinion of the following family living in
Bedwelty, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire as a possibility in the Wales 1851 Census
from Ancestry:
Evan Evans, age 41, b. Carmarthenshire, Forge Hammer Man
Mary, wife, age 41, b. Glamorgan, Merthyr
Mary, age 7
David, age 15
Evan, age 5
Hannah, age 6 mos.
Jane, age 18
All the children (including Mary) are dittoed to have been b. Glamorgan,
Merthyr, like their mother Mary. The source citation is HO107/2448/14, GSU Roll
104186-104187. While I am inexpert in Wales geography, it does strike me
that the places that have come up in our discussions (Nantyglo, Varteg,
Merthyr, and Bedwelty) are not far apart or far from the Glamorgan/Monmouthshire
boundary.
Thank you so much for your continuing help!
Best regards,
Cecil
What a great article. My great uncle, DAVID H. JONES
and his wife, MAGARET EVANS JONES, both born in Wales,
lived in Mahoning County in 1913 and I am sure they
would have attended. They had no children so they
were the last who lived there, his brothers and
sisters having moved to Stark County. Thanks for
sharing.
Helen in Ohio
--- Jamie <BakerJ(a)coralwave.com> wrote:
> In the Oct 2006 issue of the Mahoning Meanderings,
> which is the monthly
> newsletter of the Mahoning County Chapter of the
> Ohio Genealogical Society,
> (www.mahoningcountychapterogs.org) they included
> this re-print of an article
> from the 15 Aug, 1913 Youngstown Vindicator
> newspaper. In part it reads:
>
> "Beneath smiling skies about fifteen thousand sons
> and daughters of old
> Gwalia, their descendants, friends and acquaintances
> gathered in Idora park
> Wednesday for the annual reunion of the Welsh
> Pioneers of the Western
> Reserve. This year's great Cymro event was bigger
> and better than ever and
> eclipsed by far all former meetings of a similar
> nature. Singing of
> stirring Welsh airs, the sweet cadence of the
> Cambrian tongue, and the
> display of miniature flags of a dragon on a field of
> white and green gave
> the park the appearance of a bit of transplanted
> Wales. Old and feeble Cymri
> mingled with the rosy cheeked lads and lasses in
> celebrating the one great
> Welsh event of the year in the Mahoning and Shenango
> valleys.
>
> Pioneers conversed in the Welsh tongue and the air
> resounded with "Sut yr
> ydyeh chwi, heddyw?" "Y mae yn dda lawn genyfeich
> gweled," Mor brydferth."
> Songs were sung as only the Welsh know how to sing.
> The singing of "Diadem"
> was especially grand."
>
> Mrs. Rachel Jones, formerly of Brier Hill, now of
> Sebring and Mrs. Charles
> Morgan of Thorn Hill, received the prizes to the
> oldest and the next oldest
> Welsh women on the grounds.
>
> Rev. Davis, D.D. of Akron son of Mr. and Mrs. L.E.
> Davis of Scott Street was
> conductor. J.R. Woolley, who has attended Welsh
> reunions since no man's mind
> runneth to the contrary was chairman. Miss Jury was
> accompanist. Conductor
> Davis read a telegram from David E. Jones of
> Indianapolis, expressing
> regrets at not being able to attend the reunion."
> ********
> The mention of "Welsh Pioneers of the Western
> Reserve" may be something to
> research. I don't know how formal a group this may
> have been but sounds like
> an organization with a membership, which could mean
> member lists and
> documents.
> >
>>>>
>
>>> >> ,
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>> >>
> >>>>
> >>>
>> >>
> >
>
Helen in Butler County, Ohio USA
researching, JONES, PHILPOT, PRICE, OWEN, WOOLLEY, CHERRY, MOORE, SANDWITH
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Not impossible as my great grandfather, Joseph Davies son of David
Davies, was born in Aberystwyth and his wife,J ane, daughter of Thomas
Davies also of Aberystwyth. But the 1840s comprise a roadblock despite
the release of the 1841 census for Cardiganshire. What is odd is that I
can't remember him despite being on the academic staff of Aber' at the
same time!
Brian
captbrian wrote:
> Any relation ? ;-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>> I would highly recommend
>>
>> John Davies
>> A History of Wales
>> Penguin Books
>> 718 pp
>> 1990/1993
>> First published Allen Lane 1993
>> First published as Hanes Cymru
>>
>> I believe Amazon.com lists it
>>
>> Brian Davies
>>
>>
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Hi Margie & Tom, Sorry it took me so long to get around to looking for info
on Evans. I have not been working with my husband's side of the family for
a long time as I am busy compiling my research on my maternal lines for
publication next year.
I didn't find as much on Evans as I had thought I remembered. There are no
direct lines in my husband's family. What I have is a letter from 1879
that my husband's 2nd great grandfather, Robert Roberts, received from his
niece, Maria Lloyd Evans, who was married to John J. E. Evans, a probate
judge in Jackson OH. Did you have any Evans in Oh at that time? Vernia
> Vernia, If you live in Ohio the Rio Grande College has an exhibit:
> "Keeping up with the Joneses: The Story of the Welsh in the USA"
> sponsored
> by the Wales International Center in New York City. The display had been
> at
> Ellis Island, it is now at Rio Grande "now thru Dec. 15th, 1-5 p.m.,
> Tuesday through Saturday". We live about 80 miles upriver from there and
> plan to go down in Nov. sometime. Researching Evans, Wales to PA to OH.
>
> Marjie & Tom Evans
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vernia Brooks (Yahoo)" <vlbbrooks(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [MON] Welsh to Ohio
>
>
>>I wonder how many of us on the list are researching Welsh to Ohio in th
>> 1800s? All of my mother-in-laws family came then to the Cleveland area.
>> Griffiths, Davies, Roberts, Richards. I know these are among the most
>> common names in Wales. Vernia
>>
>>> You are correct in "clustering" families and friends
>>> who ended up in Ohio communities from Monmouthshire.
>>> As my ggrandfather was a miner, along with his father,
>>> 3 brothers, a brother-in-law, were all miners who came
>>> to Ohio between 1862 and 1895. both my ggrandfather
>>> and grandfather were killed in coal mine accidents
>>> here. When I peruse the census for 1870, 1880, 1900
>>> (no census for 1890) it seems half the listings are
>>> for those born in Wales.
>>> Besides the JONES (my family) there are lots of
>>> Morgans, Evans, Grifis, etc.
>>>
>>> ,
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Lyn
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Tom and Marjie,
Have you tried querying the Steve Morse site for a possible hit on the Castle Garden website? Castle Garden was like Ellis Island but used before the great emmigration. He has a one step query that will give you information on many databases for ancestors that came into the New York harbors. The site is www.stevemorse.org. You should read the instructions before creating a query.
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----- Original Message ----
From: Tom & Marjie <the(a)1st.net>
To: Vernia Brooks (Yahoo) <vlbbrooks(a)yahoo.com>; monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MON] Welsh to Ohio
Vernia, My husbands Evanses, David Evans & Mary (also Evans), came
somewhere about 1841-1844 to first Sugarloaf, Luzerne Co., PA, then by 1850
they moved very close to Pittsburgh, PA area, which is now called Homestead,
PA. That family stayed in that area until my husbands father came to SE
Ohio in 1930's. We have found evidence that David & Mary were from the
Merthyr Tydfil area, and possibly there first son was born when they lived
in Ebbw Vale, but we still have no positive records on that. Without a
miracle I doubt if we can go any further back on our Evans line. Have not
been able to find ship records on David & Mary or exact birthdates. At
least we know of the area in Wales where they came from.
Tom & Marjie Evans, Ohio
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From: "Vernia Brooks (Yahoo)" <vlbbrooks(a)yahoo.com>
To: <monmouthshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MON] Welsh to Ohio
>I wonder how many of us on the list are researching Welsh to Ohio in th
> 1800s? All of my mother-in-laws family came then to the Cleveland area.
> Griffiths, Davies, Roberts, Richards. I know these are among the most
> common names in Wales. Vernia
>
>> You are correct in "clustering" families and friends
>> who ended up in Ohio communities from Monmouthshire.
>> As my ggrandfather was a miner, along with his father,
>> 3 brothers, a brother-in-law, were all miners who came
>> to Ohio between 1862 and 1895. both my ggrandfather
>> and grandfather were killed in coal mine accidents
>> here. When I peruse the census for 1870, 1880, 1900
>> (no census for 1890) it seems half the listings are
>> for those born in Wales.
>> Besides the JONES (my family) there are lots of
>> Morgans, Evans, Grifis, etc.
>>
>> ,
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In a message dated 10/24/2006 8:51:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, B1oatley
writes:
I think I may have located Mary in 1861 but not with her parents, in the
same household also lived William Townsend.
Mary aged 19 was classed as a lodger and William aged 18 a boarder, they
were living in the household of a John Thomas aged 22 and his wife Mary aged 24.
Mary and William were not the only boarders/lodgers, and all were listed as
born Monmouthshire but knowing whoever listed the household may have told the
enumerator this rather than trying to recall where they all came from.
The Census entry was listed only as in the Parish of Aberystruth RG9/3997
Folio 240 Page 12, and the villages of Blaina and Nantyglo would have been
listed under this parish.
Hope that this entry will be of assistance to you, if I locate her in 1851 I
will let you know
---
Thank you so much, Barbara! I'd like to think that it was in this
boardinghouse that William and Mary met.
It would be wonderful if, with your superior knowledge of Wales, you could
find Mary with her birth family in 1851.
Best regards,
Cecil
How can I check burials at Caerleon during period 1965-1985 ?
I understand there were only two burial grounds - St. Cadogs and a Baptist
churchyard. I am searching for the burial of a FRED.(FREDERICK) JONES of 29,
The Broadwalk, Caerleon.
David Jones