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Hello again Kathy,
If the family I found in 1881 was yours, then here they are again in 1891.
RG12/4353 Folio 94
58 Newtown, Abertillery
JONES, John, HD, Wid, 47, coal Miner, MON Nantyglo
William, SO, 19, Haulier [cart], MON Abertillery
Mary J, DA, 16, Housekeeper [dom], "
Jonathan, SO, 14, Doorboy in coal pit, "
David, SO, 12, Scholar, "
Pam
in New Zealand
Hello Kathy
Could this be them in 1881?
Dwelling: Blaenau Gwent
Census Place: Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales
John JONES M 34 M Brynmawr, Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Eliza JONES M 34 F Stowe, Somerset, England
Rel: Wife
Jemima Ann JONES 11 F Abertillery, Somerset,
England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
William JONES 9 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane JONES 7 F Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Jonathan JONES 5 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Joseph Dd. JONES 2 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
and here in 1871 name index:
RG10/5318 75 51 - Abertillery
JONES, John, 23
Eliza, 25
Ann, 1
Pam
in New Zealand
>
> This is a real 'shot in the dark' with such a common name as Jones! I
> am searching for Annie Jemima JONES, b. abt. 1870-71 in Abertillery.
>
> Her father John JONES is living with her and her husband by the time
> of the 1901 Abertillery census, and his place of birth is also
> Abertillery, b. abt. 1843, a 'coal hewer.' I do not know her mother's
> name.
>
> She is listed as "Emma" in this census, but her marriage certificate
> (1891) gives her name as "Annie Jemima JONES."
>
> I have not had success finding this father and daughter pair in 1891
> or 1881. She is not living with her husband yet in 1891, even though
> their marriage was April 1, 1891, 5 days after the official census
> date.
>
> I am *hoping* that I have better luck finding the two of them in 1871.
> If anyone has access to the census or indexes for the Abertillery
> area, I would appreciate a lookup, if that's possible (with such a
> common name).
>
> John JONES - age approx. 28, b. Abertillery - coal hewer or miner?
> spouse unknown Annie Jemima JONES (daughter) - age approx. 1, b.
> Abertillery
>
> Thank you SO much!
>
> Kathy
> Orlando, FL
>
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Abertillery, Somerset, England?! - that's a move! I wonder what the
original has - someone assumed 'ditto'! Don't believe everything in the
1881, although it's more accurate than 1901.
Andrew Mead
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From: Pam Thornbury [mailto:pthorn@ihug.co.nz]
Sent: 26 February 2004 02:01
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Mon] John JONES and daughter Annie - Abertillery - 1871
census
Hello Kathy
Could this be them in 1881?
Dwelling: Blaenau Gwent
Census Place: Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales
John JONES M 34 M Brynmawr, Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Eliza JONES M 34 F Stowe, Somerset, England
Rel: Wife
Jemima Ann JONES 11 F Abertillery, Somerset,
England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
William JONES 9 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane JONES 7 F Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
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From: Kathy Nemaric [mailto:knemaric1@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:17 AM
To: pthorn(a)ihug.co.nz
Subject: RE: [Mon] John JONES and daughter Annie - Abertillery - 1871
census
Hello Pam,
You may be right! I am shocked at seeing Abertillery listed in Somerset - I
certainly would never have guessed. No wonder I found nothing in 1881 that
fit (not to mention that I didn't think of looking for her under her middle
name of 'Jemima' as well as Ann/ie). It teaches you to never assume... in
the future I will keep that in mind when searching! Nor could I have guessed
that a John JONES' birth listed in another county might be a possibility.
There are just so many of them.
I am a little confused about all the different birth locations for John
JONES. It's promising that in the 1871 census he is in Abertillery, where I
thought he was born, but then we have Brynmawr, Brecknock and later
Abertillery again as his place of birth? Is this likely to be the same
person? I know that places of birth all depend on who gave the census info.
Thank you again for your sharp eyes and great detective work!
Kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Thornbury [mailto:pthorn@ihug.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:01 PM
To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Mon] John JONES and daughter Annie - Abertillery - 1871
census
Hello Kathy
Could this be them in 1881?
Dwelling: Blaenau Gwent
Census Place: Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales
John JONES M 34 M Brynmawr, Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Eliza JONES M 34 F Stowe, Somerset, England
Rel: Wife
Jemima Ann JONES 11 F Abertillery, Somerset,
England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
William JONES 9 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane JONES 7 F Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Jonathan JONES 5 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Joseph Dd. JONES 2 M Abertillery, Somerset, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
and here in 1871 name index:
RG10/5318 75 51 - Abertillery
JONES, John, 23
Eliza, 25
Ann, 1
Pam
in New Zealand
>
> This is a real 'shot in the dark' with such a common name as Jones! I
> am searching for Annie Jemima JONES, b. abt. 1870-71 in Abertillery.
>
> Her father John JONES is living with her and her husband by the time
> of the 1901 Abertillery census, and his place of birth is also
> Abertillery, b. abt. 1843, a 'coal hewer.' I do not know her mother's
> name.
>
> She is listed as "Emma" in this census, but her marriage certificate
> (1891) gives her name as "Annie Jemima JONES."
>
> I have not had success finding this father and daughter pair in 1891
> or 1881. She is not living with her husband yet in 1891, even though
> their marriage was April 1, 1891, 5 days after the official census
> date.
>
> I am *hoping* that I have better luck finding the two of them in 1871.
> If anyone has access to the census or indexes for the Abertillery
> area, I would appreciate a lookup, if that's possible (with such a
> common name).
>
> John JONES - age approx. 28, b. Abertillery - coal hewer or miner?
> spouse unknown Annie Jemima JONES (daughter) - age approx. 1, b.
> Abertillery
>
> Thank you SO much!
>
> Kathy
> Orlando, FL
>
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Hello everyone
I have just been informed by the County Archivist for Monmouthshire, Mr David
Rimmer, that The Mormon Church have been given permission to Photograph every
single Parish Register held at the County Records Office Cwmbran. According
to Mr Rimmer they will leave a copy of their work at the CRO and obviously use
their copy to make into CD form and sell to the public.
Has anyone heard of this ? I especially mean the Gwent Family History
Society.
Bye for now
Warren William Lewis
E.G.G.R.A.
Shw Mae~
Looking for the death notices for the following:
Per the 1861 British Census~
George Rogers, b. abt. 1794, d. unknown. living in
Bedwelly Parish Town Tredegar, 28 Chapel Street and he
worked in the Shropshire Coal Pit.
HIS WIFE~
Matilda (Merrick)Rogers, b. abt 1799, d. unknown.
I do not have the 1871 census to see if either are on
that. They were married at Bedwellty Parish 1828.
Diolch~Curly
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Hello Elvery
This is from the 1841 census - possibly a son?
HO107/748/5 - Grosmont
Roan Oak
HAMBRY[sic], John, 19, Ag Lab, YES [born in county]
on the farm of John GUNDY and family
No sign of John or Winifred in Grosmont piece.
This from the Gwent FHS 1851 name index:
HO107/2445/218/13 - Dixton Newton
HAMBRY, John, 66
Winifred, 53
Jane, 19
Mary Ann, 16
James, 14
Pam
in New Zealand
> Please could someone check these censuses for John Hanbury (or similar
> surname) probably born in the 1790's. He married Winifred Perrott in
> Grosmont, Mon in 1820. Thanks Elvery Chambers Perth, Western Australia
>
Hello John,
Thanks for pointing out my error - of course I knew it, but my brain
regularly flies out the window these days. Just another grey moment.
Thanks for the info. you sent me.
Jas
Dear Listers,
I have just joined the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire Lists. Only a few days
ago I discovered that my maternal grandfather was William Matthias BEECHAM born
at Mountain Ash, GLA on 8th Dec 1874.
Ist Question: Does anyone have the address of the county archives to whom I
should apply for his birth certificate.
>From the 1881 census I discovered his father, David BEACHAM, (all his family
enumerated with this spelling), aged 39, also born at Mountain Ash he was a
widower (as yet I haven't found his wife) also William Matthias and siblings.
David was a Coal Miner, living at Llanwonno.
I cannot find any of this family on the 1891 census, so presume they may all
have emigrated to South Africa where my grandfather lived.
One of your generous cousins from Canada via Genuki did a lookup for me in
the 1841,51 and 61 censuses and couldn't find trace of David and very few
BEECHAM/BEACHAMs, although I found 12 families in Glamorganshire and Monmouthshire
in 1881. I cannot find David's marriage, although I did find another David of
exactly the same age whose marriage may have been registered at Newport
because that is where he, a blacksmith, lived.
Included in David's family in 1881 was a Sarah GILLIAS described as Widow,
Mother. She may have been David's mother, remarried, or his mother-in-law
incorrectly enumerated.
Is anyone out there researching these families? Or has anyone come across
these names in MIs, Congregation lists, etc. Any help appreciated
Regards,
Jas Hawkins, of Cornwall.
Hello Steve
This may be the family you are looking for in 1851 census:
HO107/2447 Folio 335
Tyr Sammy, Aberystruth
EDWARDS, Edward, Hd, M, 44, Farm Labourer, MON Aberystruth
Hannah, Wife, 32, GLA Merthyr Tydfil
Margaret, DA, 11, Scholar, MON Aberystruth
William, SO, 10, At Home "
John, SO, 6, At home, "
Ann, DA, 4, At Home "
David, SO, 2, At Home "
Dinah, DA, 7 months or days?, "
Pam
in New Zealand
> I'm looking for details of a Margaret EDWARDS aged around 12, father
> Edward, a Labourer. Margaret married David COLLIER at Old Blaina in
> 1860. Later census imply that she was born at Aberystruth.
>
> I have notes of a family headed by Edward EDWARDS with mother Hannah
> nee MORGAN but seek to prove this is the only Edward, father with
> Margaret daughter given that the EDWARDS name is so terribly frequent
> in Monmouthshire <grin>
>
> Any sightings in the 1851 census of Edward - Margaret combos welcomed.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
I wonder if sks can look up the 1861 census for a Morris EVANS born Montgomery? c1828, wife unknown, possibly with a daughter Mary who was born in 1861, but unsure of when?
Also if possible 1871 census for above two individuals plus Edward EVANS born Rumney, Monmouth c1865.
A heavy brick wall has hidden these people from me during these years.
Thanks kindly.
Philip EVANS
I wonder if sks can look up the 1861 census for a Morris EVANS born Montgomery? c1828, wife unknown, possibly with a daughter Mary who was born in 1861, but unsure of when?
Also if possible 1871 census for above two individuals plus Edward EVANS born Rumney, Monmouth c1865.
A heavy brick wall has hidden these people from me during these years.
Thanks kindly.
Philip EVANS
Impossible quest time - Looking for any information on John Williams born Penrhos poss. c1811.
John later married Elizabeth Lewis (date unknown) but their first child Elizabeth was born in 1845 so they may not have been married on the 1841 Census. John's occupation on the 1851 census was innkeeper at the Bell Inn in Llanbaddock.
Any help would be appreciated.
Dave Stamp
I am trying to find any information about John & Susannah Lewis (nee Hinton). Susannah was born 12 June 1796 in Llanhennock. Their daughter, Elizabeth, was born February 1820 also in Llanhennock.
Any help would be appreciated.
Dave Stamp
Hi, I wonder if someone would be kind enough to look on the 1841 census for a
Mary Ann Evans, aged about 16-17. She is on the 1901 census in Llantrisant,
aged 77, saying born Kempford,Monmouth, but previous enquiries did not reveal
anywhere named Kempford, and another lister found her on the 1891 census,
saying born Monmouth Town.
Any help will really be appreciated as I cannot find her anywhere before
1861 when she had her eldest child (I think), who was my g.g.rgandmother.
Many thanks
Ann
Chepstow Branch of the Society have produced a CD-ROM of Nonconformist
records from the Chepstow area. Included are:
Beulah Congregational Church, Chepstow
Register of Baptisms 1865-1900
Register of Marriages 1865-1900
Register of Burials 1865-1899
Bible Christians, Chepstow Circuit
Register of Baptisms 1838-1872
Register of Baptisms 1872-1900
Caerwent Baptist Chapel
Registerof baptisms 1823-1837
Nebo Independent Church, Wolvesnewton
Register of baptisms 1819-1837
Tabernacle Congregational church, Llanvaches
Register of Baptisms 1799-1837 and 1865-1898
Register of Burials 1800-1900
Wesleyan Methodists of Chepstow
Register of Baptisms 1851-1876 and 1876-1899
Chepstow Workhouse
Register of Births 1866-1900
This Cd is on sale from the Sales Officer price 10GBpounds plus postage
and packing of 75p UK.
It will be going on to parish Chest and FFHS online shop (GENfair) just
as soon as the information can be uploaded to them and put onto our stall.
Ann Macey
List Admin
In article <4038873F.16374.1DFE8F@localhost>,
Pam Thornbury <pthorn(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> Hello Olive
> HO107/747 17 - Penallt
> JOHNSON, Edward, 60, Paper M, N [not born in county]
> Hannah, 60, NO
> Edward, 20, Army, NO
> Benjamin, 15, Glazier, NO
> Charlotte, 25, NO
> [There are others listed after, not in the same household, also listed
> as "Paper M", which could be "paper manufacturer'.]
Hello Olive,
There were paper mills in Whitebrook, so this may be where your Edward
JOHNSON worked. I believe the mills have now been converted to residences.
Josephine
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I'm looking for details of a Margaret EDWARDS aged around 12, father Edward, a
Labourer. Margaret married David COLLIER at Old Blaina in 1860. Later census imply
that she was born at Aberystruth.
I have notes of a family headed by Edward EDWARDS with mother Hannah nee
MORGAN but seek to prove this is the only Edward, father with Margaret daughter
given that the EDWARDS name is so terribly frequent in Monmouthshire <grin>
Any sightings in the 1851 census of Edward - Margaret combos welcomed.
Regards
Steve
Hi, I have an ancestor who says she was born in Monmouth town in the mid
1820's, and with a name like EVANS, I am having trouble finding her. Could
someone please tell me the names of the churches that were in the area at that
time? Unfortunately I don't know what religion she and her parents may have
been, so any help will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Ann
Please could someone check these censuses for John Hanbury (or similar surname) probably born in the 1790's. He married Winifred Perrott in Grosmont, Mon in 1820.
Thanks
Elvery Chambers
Perth, Western Australia