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I have been asking questions on this list based on what I remembered from my father and grandfather and one small WW1 medallion. I finally received yesterday from a researcher I found on Greatwar list the details of my grandfather's service record. I was thrilled to find that it contained so many genealogical facts of his life.
Although the medallion was presented by the citizens of Newbridge, his address when he enlisted was 9 Hill Street, Chapel of Ease, Abercarn, Monmouth.
QUESTION: On one of the lists I belong to, maybe this one, there was an interesting discussion lately about "Chapel of Ease". I scanned it and considered it not relevant to me. However, I'm unclear how a street address could include Chapel of Ease. Is this address still in existence?
All three children were born at Highbridge, Abercarn.
QUESTION: Is Highbridge an area of Abercarn, a church, a hospital, or what? Could they have been living at 9 Hill Street, Chapel of Ease and been born at Highbridge? Obviously, my knowledge of the area is minimal.
I'd appreciate any help with these questions you can give
Thanks
Mary in Ontario Canada
Hello Curly
Just wanted to let you know I have a Rogers family who lived in Newport and
later moved to Cardiff. Father was William Henry Rogers, mother Jane Rogers
nee Short.
Probably no connection, but you never know!
Joyce in Canada
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From: "K. Porter" <kpfp44(a)hotmail.com>
To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:00 AM
Subject: [Mon] Rogers surname-1841 census
> Good morning listers~would someone have an 1841 census and would be
willing
> to lookup someone? I am assuming this census is indexed?
> My request is as follows: Mary Ann Rogers born about 1836. According to
> the 1881 census she was born in Tredegar. I do not know any other info on
> her. (Trying to find her parents)
> Regards and thanks!
> Curly
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> There is a web site somewhere (can't remember where!) which explains why
> Monmouthshire was thought to be part of England
Try :
www.argonet.co.uk/users/ghale/gwent.html
Cheers,
Glyn Hale
My mother-in-law Laura Lillian Arch (formerly Davies) was a member of the Bardic Circle in the 1920s as Awen Mai. Does anyone know of a web-site or an e-mail number that I may be able to find out more about her involvement?
Jane Arch
I am aware of the History of Monmouthshire of which Mister Hale spoke.
Unfortunately that site, called the Kingdoms of Wales, seems to be no
longer on the web. I had a link to it on the Monmouthshire Wales GenWeb
site. (Guess I'll have to remove it!)
In any event, if I remember correctly, the gist of the story is that
Monmouthshire IS indeed in Wales. It received special status by being
able to send two representatives to Parliment like the English counties
rather than only one like the rest of the Welsh counties by virtue of
the birth of one of the King Henrys' occuring in Monmouthshire.
Since then, while Monmouthshire's status has been up to debate, it always
was, really is, and most likely always will be in Wales. After all,
my great grandfather who came from Monmouthshire would definitely rise from
the grave to administer a fat lip if I ever suggested Monmouthshire was
in England!
Cheers!
Greg Price
County Coordinator
Monmouthshire Wales GenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsmon/
Surnames: PRICE, LEWIS
The recent discussion regarding Monmouthshire and its
historical location in Wales or England now brings home a remark
my grandmother made many years ago when she said that sometimes
she lived in England and sometimes she lived in Wales. She
definately considered herself Welsh to the core!!!!
Pam Gundy Crowell
today it's warm and sunny in Santa Cruz, California
I live in Chepstow - until recently (and since 1974) this was in Gwent, but
is now back in Monmouthshire, since the introduction of 'Unitary
Authorities'. Gwent was the ancient kingdom name and disappeared again
(except for the Emergency Services, Health etc) a couple of years ago.
Newport was in Monmouthshire/Gwent but is now an authority in its own right,
and NOT in modern Monmouthshire. Tredegar is now back in Monmouthshire, not
Gwent!
There is a web site somewhere (can't remember where!) which explains why
Monmouthshire was thought to be part of England - it is to do with Judges
'circuits' which covered three counties, and as Wales had 10, then one
(Monmouthshire) was combined with Gloucestershire and Herefordshire.
Confused? Yes we all are!
Andrew (working in Bristol, England
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tina [SMTP:tina-ian@netcomuk.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:14 PM
> To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [Mon] Clarification...please
>
> Karlene,
>
> Good question. Thought I'd answer a bit more than the question you asked.
> I'm happy to be corrected if there are any mistakes in this!
>
>
> Monmouth is/ was the "county town" of Monmouthshire in Wales. The county
> is
> now called by the Welsh name of Gwent!
>
> Tredegar is a town within Gwent.
>
> Here is some more information about the town.
> http://www.tredegar.co.uk/main.htm
>
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Good morning listers~would someone have an 1841 census and would be willing
to lookup someone? I am assuming this census is indexed?
My request is as follows: Mary Ann Rogers born about 1836. According to
the 1881 census she was born in Tredegar. I do not know any other info on
her. (Trying to find her parents)
Regards and thanks!
Curly
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Dear Glyn,
You may be interested in the following quote from 'Companion to Hymns and
Psalms' a Methodist publication:
"All things bright and beautiful
Cecil Frances Alexander
>From Mrs Alexander's Hymns for Little Children (1848) on the article of the
Creed, 'Maker of Heaven and Earth'. It had seven stanzas, of which the
present refrain was the first. The present text is verses 1,2,4,5 and 7 of
the original. The omitted stanzas were the original verse 6:
The tall trees in the greenwood
The meadows where we play;
The rushes by the water
We gather every day;
which now seems too 'countryfied' for most children, brought up as they are
in cities; and the original verse 3:
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high or lowly,
And ordered their estate.
This hymn has become popular in all denominations, and its sweet simplicity
appeals to adults and children alike. It is childlike but not childish; it
has attracted delightful tunes, and is found in all hymn books."
>From 'Supplementary Notes to the Companion to Hymns and Psalms:
"The original text of the opening verse had 'beauteous' and 'wondrous', but
later editions of Hymns for Little Children gave the familiar version."
Unfortunately the article doesn't say whether it was written in
Monmouthshire!
Jane Arch
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From: Glyn Hatherall <glyn(a)hatherall.org.uk>
To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: [Mon] All things bright and beautiful
> From: "Neil Lewis" <Neil(a)pendragoninov.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> 4.. Has anyone heard of the hymn 'All things bright and beautiful' being
> written in Monmouthshire by Mrs CF Alexander? If so what's the
background.
> I'm told the 'purple-headed mountain in verse 3 is the Blorenge and the
'river
> running by' is the Usk. But I'm also told it was written in County Sligo
and
> I'm confused.
According to the Penguin Book of Hymns, edited by Ian Bradley, Cecil Francis
Alexander née Humphreys (1818-95) was born in Dublin, the daughter of a
former army officer who managed the estates of the Earl of Wicklow. The hymn
was "almost certainly written at Markree Castle at Collooney, near Sligo. It
first appeared in Frances Humphrey's 'Hymns for Little Children', published
in 1848 with a preface by John Keble.... 'Hymns for Little Children' went
into a hundred editions and the profits were devoted to a school for deaf
mutes in Londonderry." CF Alexander also wrote e.g. 'I bind unto myself
today' (St Patrick's Breastplate), 'Jesus calls us: o'er the tumult', and
'There is a green hill far away'.
Glyn Hatherall
Ealing, London UK
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Sorry,
I forgot to add a couple of things before hitting "send" on my last message.
There had been much debate about whether Monmouthshire was in England or
Wales. The general concensus is that it was, is and always has been in
Wales, but for some administrative purposes it was recorded as being in
England. It is adjacent to English counties, such as Herefordshire.
I am assuming you are in the US, or Australia perhaps, and not familiar with
our country / county arrangements. Apologies if you are familiar with the
UK, but if so I thought my explanation might be useful to others.
Tina
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From: K. Porter <kpfp44(a)hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: [Mon] Clarification...please
> I have noticed several listers posting census look-ups. I have family
info
> from the 1881 census that shows "birthplace" and it looks like this~
> Tredegar, Monmouth, England & another as
> Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
>
> I know Tredegar is in Monmouth but I thought it was in Wales? What am I
> missing or misunderstanding?
>
> Be patient, please, I am still new at this! :o)
> Karlene
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> From: "Neil Lewis" <Neil(a)pendragoninov.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> 4.. Has anyone heard of the hymn 'All things bright and beautiful' being
> written in Monmouthshire by Mrs CF Alexander? If so what's the background.
> I'm told the 'purple-headed mountain in verse 3 is the Blorenge and the 'river
> running by' is the Usk. But I'm also told it was written in County Sligo and
> I'm confused.
According to the Penguin Book of Hymns, edited by Ian Bradley, Cecil Francis
Alexander née Humphreys (1818-95) was born in Dublin, the daughter of a
former army officer who managed the estates of the Earl of Wicklow. The hymn
was "almost certainly written at Markree Castle at Collooney, near Sligo. It
first appeared in Frances Humphrey's 'Hymns for Little Children', published
in 1848 with a preface by John Keble.... 'Hymns for Little Children' went
into a hundred editions and the profits were devoted to a school for deaf
mutes in Londonderry." CF Alexander also wrote e.g. 'I bind unto myself
today' (St Patrick's Breastplate), 'Jesus calls us: o'er the tumult', and
'There is a green hill far away'.
Glyn Hatherall
Ealing, London UK
glyn(a)hatherall.org.uk
scarrott(a)one-name.org
Pauline, The ancestor from Conwyl is Rachel Richards. She married David Davies in Trelech in Dec 1832. David was the son of William Davies/David. David and Rachel's family appears in Glamorgan 1851 census for MerthyTydfil parish. Joyce
This looks like Aaron from the 1861 census index:
4025 29 16, Risca
JOHNSON, Jarvis, 58
Aaron, 18
Jarvis, 16
You will need to order the film to see whether Jarvis is Aaron's
father, and other details.
Pam
in New Zealand
Hello all
If you are connected to any of the below mentioned Monmouthshire families I
would be pleased to hear from you, as I would equally appreciate hearing
from you if you are connected to 'any' GAUT family. (Can be found spelt as
GANT, GAWT, GHAUT, GOUT, GOUGHT, GAUGHT and so on!) I also have GAUT
family in Shropshire.
Richard GAUT married Ann HAYWARD in 1831, both were from Wrockwardine, Ann
had a William in her family who could be her father or brother.
Jane GAUT married Thomas JAMES, children were Emma, Margaret and Edward
William GAUT married Elizabeth JENKINS in June 1852, Elizabeth's father was
John an engineer he was alive in 1852.
Thomas GAUT married Catherine GRIFFITH in Jan 1861, Catherine's father was
Thomas a blacksmith.
Catherine GAUT (of above) remarried Charles MORRIS sometime after 1867 when
first husband Thomas died.
Emma GAUT married Edward Haynes WATKINS a shopkeeper on 20 Oct 1868,
Edward's father was Richard WATKINS. Emma and Edward migrated to USA.
Abraham GAUT married Alice GRIFFITH c1885
Richard GAUT married Sarah Ann EDWARDS in June 1880, Sarah's father was
Edward EDWARDS a moulder.
Rose Hanna (Roseanna) GAUT married ? ALLCOCK - date unknown, she was born
1882, they had Windsor and Albert
Richard GAUT married Edith (Maude) NELMES date unknown, Richard born 1890,
Edith (Maude) died 1920
Regards
Lynne Mee
New Zealand
Searching for GAUT's in Shropshire and Wales.
Does SKS have a copy of the 1891 census for Abertillery. I am trying to trace
my Grandfather Joseph Oswald Thomas, his sister Myra and possibly another
sister Eva, who I believe were born in this area. Unfortunately this is all I
have to go on, not a lot I know.
Thanks in anticipation and hope Lynne.
Ann,
Aaron Johnson was one of nine children of Jervis Johnson and Mary (nee
Haines), who married on 23 Sep 1822 at Machen. The nine children were:
Marianne (or Mary Ann), bp. 12 Sep 1824; Amelia, bp. 15 Jul 1827; Jane,
bp. 31 May 1830; Harriet, bp. 3 May 1833; Anna, bp. 10 May 1835; Miriam,
bp. 13 Aug 1837, bur. 12 Oct 1852; Moses, bp. 9 Feb 1840; Aaron, bp. 26
Jun 1842; Jervis, bp. 25 May 1845. Marianne and Amelia were baptised at
Machen, and the other seven children at Risca.
Jervis Johnson (the one who married Mary Haines) was the son of George and
Amelia (nee Lovell) Johnson, who married on 10 May 1791 at Mangotsfield,
Gloucestershire.
If you care to contact me off-list, I can put you in touch with several
other researchers of the Johnson family of Risca.
Rosemary Jenkins
(North Yorkshire, UK)
Dear Listers,
I am seeking help with the family of my husband's g-grandfather.
Joseph EVANS born Jan 1840 in Newport, Mon
parents-George and Mary Holman Evans
Both were born in Devon.
married in 1860 in Blaenavon, Mon, to
to Sarah Morgan
emigrated to US in 1869
Would like info on siblings - possibly Richard, Charlotte, George, William, Elizabeth, and others. All remained in Wales. Some possibly lived in Llanely, Carm.
Thank you for any assistance, Joyce
Hello Listers,
Can someone remind me of the man who was hanged in what is now the middle of
a street in Shrewsbury (yes, I know it isn't in Wales, but very close)
several years ago. There is a plaque on the side of a building directly
across from the scene of the hanging. Please write to me directly so I don't
get in trouble.
Many thanks in advance.
Jodie BOWEN Russu
Watergrdnr(a)aol.com
Does anyone have the 1861 census for Wales. I'm looking for John Morgan
and wife Mary in their 50's. Also Rees and Mary Morgan in their
30's. Margaret Morgan Davies and John Davies also. If anyone would be
able to help it would be much appreciated. Thank You Judy Morgan
Stone USA
Hi
Does anyone have the 1861 census that would cover Llanthony and Cwmyoy. I'm
looking for William & Catherine and their children all of whom (the
children) were born in Cwmyoy in the 1850's. I would also be interested in
any other Exton's in the area.
Regards
Terry Exton
* mailto:terry.exton@ncr.com