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Jane, Ducan and others who expressed interest,
This may not be the *definitive* book, but it certainly gives a close
picture of what my ancestors transition was like from Wales to Trumbull
County, OH - bordering the coalfields of Pennsylvania. My grandfather's
first job was hauling ashes at the age of 12 in Erie, Pennsylvania. Many
US mines actually advertised in Welsh newspapers for miners and the draw
was that "at some point in time," you could own your own land. After
the Enclosures of Land when many Welsh people were forced to emigrate
overseas or move to such rapidly-growing industrial districts around
Merthyr or into its adjoining valleys, overseas looked
like a pretty good deal, I'm sure.
So here it is-
Available at: www.barnesandnoble.com
Wales in America: Scranton and the Welsh, 1860-1920
William D. Jones
Format: Paperback, 280pp.
ISBN: 0708313876
Publisher: University of Wales Press
Pub. Date: January 2000
(Note: this is the 2000 edition and is published by
University of
Wales Press)
Whereas the older American edition is available
at:
www.amazon.co.uk
Wales in America: Scranton & the Welsh, 1860-1920
William D. Jones
US List Price: $25.00
Our Price: £17.30
Availability: On Order; is usually dispatched
within 1-2 weeks.
Paperback (January 1996)
University of Scranton Press; ISBN: 094086665X
Synopsis from Barnes and Noble's website:
A study of the immigration of around 80,000 Welsh to
the northeast Pennsylvania coalfields between 1860 and 1920. Since the
center of this inflow was the city of Scranton, Jones examines its
cultural life, its literary and musical societies, ethnic foods and
religion. Also included are such aspects of popular culture as insobriety
and sports. Using their publications, he analyzes the self image of these
immigrants and their relation with other ethnic groups. Also examined is
the anthracite industry itself, since this is what drew these thousands
of skilled Welsh miners and dominated their work and the cities in which
they lived. Jones notes the way these Welsh were rapidly Americanized
while at the same time preserving their culture and their ties to Wales.
I think this will give you a good start. Let me know what you think.
You might also want to take a look at the USGenWeb Project at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/index.htm
This will provide many useful links for all states as each State and
County Family History Society will have many more localized historical
commentary and biographies.
Best wishes in your continued endeavors.
Dawn Perry-Taft
Central Coast of California
e-mail: slo_taft(a)juno.com
CALLEN/ CALLIN in Llangattock& Llangynidr, BRE &
Beaufort & Aberystruth, MON prior to 1813 (anybody, anybody???)
CHARLES in New York, USA
DANDO in Wales
DAVIES/DAVIS in Ebbw Vale, MON & Eardsley, HFD,
DAVIES in NYC, New York, USA
MAGGS in Abergavenny, MON,
MILLER in Machen, GLA
MORRIS in Machen, GLA
PARRY in Trumbull and Mahoning, OH, USA
SMITH, Thomas descendants Yarkhill, Ledbury, HFD
WILLIAM in Machen, GLA
Whilst looking through the baptism records for Mynyddislwyn Parish Church today, I noticed that the curate had added the word "Clinical" to the margin of some entries. Also "Clinical. Rcd? 6.12.1911".
Any idea what this indicates? Could it be that the ceremony was carried out at the person's home as opposed to the church because they were ill?
Derrick.
Abercarn
Gwent FHS Member No 3439
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To: Monmouthshire; Monmouth List; Monmouth Gwent List;
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Subject:
List
I have come across a picture of my great grandfather in a soldiers uniform.
If anyone thinks they may be able to a) help with the regiment and b) his
rank then please conatct me and I will send a copy of it for your perusal.
Thanks Mike Joy
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My g.g.grandparents Thomas CHARLES & Martha HARRIS were married on the 27
July 1845. On the marriage certificate it gives both as "full age" and
resident at Cwmbran. The marriage was by banns at the parish church.
The name of the actual parish on the certificate is very hard to make out
( especially without local knowledge ).
Bryan Morgan has kindly put the certificate on a web page where it can be
viewed and any suggestions can be e.mailed directly to me. Please have a
look at:
http://www.btinternet.com/~burtonvilla/projects/cert01.htm
Many thanks to Bryan and to Mike John for their suggestions.
Dean.
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Bolton
Lancashire
d.langhorn(a)virgin.net.
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Dear List
Can anyone please do a look up on the 1891 census for an Ernest Bradley
living at valentines road, pontyppol, monmouthshire
Thanks
Mike Joy
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Boy - do I feel dumb - William VAUGHAN was born Abt. 1793 not 1873 - how did
I do that?
It should have read:
>>
In the meantime, if anyone can help me with my William VAUGHAN, born
somewhere in Radnorshire **About 1793**, married Mary LEWIS in Goytre,
Monmouth 13 May, 1826 and farmed at "Duffryn" a.k.a. "The Wern Farm" on the
road from Penpellenny to Goytrey Hall just west of Goetre (I managed to use
3 of the many spellings of Goitre - oops 4 - in the same sentence!!) - died
1872....<<
Sorry
Hugh
Following the recent VAUGHAN pedigree discussions on various lists I thought
I would share the following info I have collected over some time and end
with a plea for help with my VAUGHANs.
There is a page at http://www.gbso.net/actor/dlfiles.htm which has all kinds
of downloadable gedcoms including one called "Welsh Families" which purports
to connect the VAUGHANs all the way back to King Priam of Troy. This is
quite interesting but is highly speculative and probably produced by
connecting up a lot of the known genealogies of Royal houses. The Victorians
were obsessed with this and went to great lengths to map out these lineages.
How genuine they are is anyone's guess when you go this far back. Henry of
Monmouth's History of England is probably the source for much of this.
The following was told to me by another VAUGHAN researcher who is not on
this list I believe. "There is also an article on Welsh Pedigrees, on
Vaughan, written by Henry Vaughan in 1889 and published in Y Cymmrodor
Volume X, pages 72-156. I have not seen it though. Y Cymmrodor is the
magazine of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion. It seems to have been
called Transactions of the Hon. Soc etc in more recent years. It is a
periodical, printed in London, I think yearly. I don't know if it is still
produced.
"If you find a source there are also a whole series of articles spread over
about 4 volumes in the same journal: -
1963 Part 1 pp96-145 & Part pp223-250 (Earls of Carbery),
1964 Part 2 pp167-221(Torycoed and Golden Grove) and
1966 Part 1 pp96-145 (Earls of Carbery)
on the Vaughans of Golden Grove. They were a big grouping in
Carmarthenshire. There are a few family trees for 16th -18th century for
them within these articles."
There - hope that helps - I have to get my hands on some of this material
and look at it one day.
In the meantime, if anyone can help me with my William VAUGHAN, born
somewhere in Radnorshire 1873, married Mary LEWIS in Goytre, Monmouth 13
May, 1826 and farmed at "Duffryn" a.k.a. "The Wern Farm" on the road from
Penpellenny to Goytrey Hall just west of Goetre (I managed to use 3 of the
many spellings of Goitre - oops 4 - in the same sentence!!) - died 1872....
Cheers
Hugh
Downstairs in my breakfast room I have a table that is seven feet long
and three feet wide, made by my father from Oregon pine. When they
demolished the wire works my father bought several of the large wooden
roof beams and he made the table, a bench some candlesticks and a wooden
goblet with a lid. Every time I take the lid off the goblet the scent of
the wood fills the room - wonderful. Dad made sure that he carved the
provenance of the timber onto the underside of the table and I have
repeatedly told my children where the candlesticks and goblet came from
- a little bit of history. Just to show you what a hoarder my dad was, I
have in my cellar a door that came from HMS Ajax when she was broken up
in Cashmore's yard here in Newport.
Ann Macey
following in father's footsteps and hoarding everything that 'might come
in useful'
Hi All,
Is anyone researching this Family of KNIGHT, (from 1881) the nephew staying
here, William Edward JONES is part of my family, I am hoping someone may
know the maiden name of Elizabeth KNIGHT the wife and let me know please....
Many Thanks.....Hazel
Dwelling: The White Hart Inn
Census Place: Caldicot, Monmouth, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342257 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5217 Folio 31
Page 27
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward KNIGHT M 34 M Caldicot, Monmouth, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer & Innkeeper
Elizabeth KNIGHT M 32 F Caldicot, Monmouth, England
Rel: Wife
Edward Hy. KNIGHT 4 M Caldicot, Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Lucy A.M. KNIGHT 2 F Caldicot, Monmouth, England
Rel: Dau
Charles B. KNIGHT 3 m M Caldicot, Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Mary KNIGHT W 81 F Roggiett, Monmouth, England
Rel: Mother
Alice S. KNIGHT U 25 F Redwick, Monmouth, England
Rel: Niece
William E. JONES U 18 M Caldicot, Monmouth, England
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Assisting On Farm (Farmers Nephew)
Hi listers,
Please could some kind soul, do me a look up. It is from the 1891 census.The Family are;
George WOLFSON & Mary Ann WOLFSON, & some children, not sure how many. I have May the daughter down, as being registered in Chepstow in 1892.
With very many Kind Regards,
Ann
Does anyone have any information about the Oakfield Works, Llantarnum. One
of my PARRYs was living there when his daughter died (in 1866), but his
occupation is only down as 'labourer', so I was just wondering what sort of
works it was.
When the daughter was born (1853) the family were living in Govilon,
Llanwenarth and the father John was a sawyer.
TIA
Barbara Griffiths at ibgriffiths(a)msn.com
Coventry UK
Surname interests
P A R R Y - collecting every reference I can find in MON/HEF/BRE/
M I N E T T - Particularly HEF/GLS but also anytime/anyplace
Mike (and listers)
I want to publically apologise for using your transcripts without your
permission. I have disabled access to the site this morning after reading
your several e-mails, and I will be removing the MON data before allowing
any further access.
I would however like to point out that most of the data for Monmouthshire on
the site I have actually transcribed myself, so I don't see how I could be
stealing *your* transcripts in these cases. However, as a peace making
gesture I will remove all the BT's for MON.
In your first e-mail you said:
>>The site below, who does it belong too, the information on this site
>>regarding Monmouthshire as been copied from my Bishops Transcripts
>>and if it is you. You are infringement of copywright and I demand you
>>take them of this site immediatley.
>>
>>If you do not comply with this demand I will have you prosecuted and
>>I will be informing the server who has given you the webspace.
>>
>>I spent over £2500 buying these BTs and more than 5 years transcribing
>>and collecting them. I have not done this for some lazy sod like you to
>>come along and steal somebodies elses hard work
I would also like to point out that far from being a 'lazy sod' I have spent
a considerable amount of time and effort designing the database, and paying
for the hosting of said database. It was not my intention to *steal*
anyone's data, however, you are correct in being upset over my usage of your
efforts.
So, I would just like to apologise again for using your data. I will contact
you off-list to see if we can resolve this amicably.
Regards
Richard
Good morning from Southern California.
Would S/K/S/ have the 1881 cencus for Pwlldu Llanwenarth Ultra, I would like
to find Richard Hall circ 1848 no birth town could be Somerset, by 1884/5 he
had died his last child Richard (b) 14 Sept 1881 Pwlldu he Married Elizabeth
Jane Button 24 Jan 1874 in Llanwenarth Ultra.born Frome Somerset. Elizabeth
re-marr; circ. 1884 to Thomas Davies.
Family.
Elizabeth Jane Button 1869 Pwlldu ellig: father Richard Hall. she marr;
William John Gardner, these are my l-f-i-laws parents
Joseph Hall 1874 ".
Martha " 1876 ".
John " 1879 ".
Richard " 1881 ".
Thank you in advance Sylvia Gardner
Jane,
Do you know what area they emigrated to? Many Welsh went directly to the
coal fields in Pennsylvania and Ohio and I can probably recommend books
on these. If they ended up elsewhere such as Utah as a Mormon emigrant
or went to a newly settled township in Arkansas or one of the Southern
states, their experiences would be quite different. If they were English
and already had established roots, that would again be a very different
setting. Time period also plays a major factor as emigration played a
very big role during our Civil War and the two World Wars. Emigrants
during these times found the country embittered over *others* looking to
*steal* THEIR jobs away.
Let me know how to best serve you.
Dawn Perry-Taft
Central Coast of California
e-mail: slo_taft(a)juno.com
CALLEN/ CALLIN in Llangattock& Llangynidr, BRE &
Beaufort & Aberystruth, MON
DAVIES/DAVIS in Ebbw Vale, MON & Eardsley, HFD,
MAGGS in Abergavenny, MON,
DANDO in Wales
MILLER in Machen, GLA
MORRIS in Machen, GLA
SMITH, Thomas descendants Yarkhill, Ledbury, HFD
Hi List
Slightly off topic but I'm researching my great grandfather who emigrated
from South Wales to the USA in the 1880s and I wondered if anyone could
recommend any books on the subject, not so much passenger lists etc as
stories of the voyage, what people found on arriving in America etc.
Many thanks in advance.
Jane Leigh
near Stroud, Gloucestershire, UK
(researching LEIGH in Somerset and Monmouthshire, LAX in West Yorkshire)
Apologies for sending this message to several lists, but Monmouthshire is so
well-served by lists I don't want to miss any!
A gentleman I know, Mr Watkins, is in his 70s and has done a lot of family
research into the Watkins family. He has traced many lines that stem from a
common ancestor William Watkins (born 1799) and his wife Charlotte (1849).
The family came from Herefordshire, near Symonds Yat. One of the sons,
another William, born 1841 (let's call him William II), moved to Llangibby
Usk where he and his wife Elizabeth Jasper raised 7 children.
William II and Elizabeth together with their 3 younger children were
murdered during one night in 1878. The three children who were murdered
were Charlotte b. 1870, Alice b. 1873, and Frederick b. 1874.
There is a small piece about it on a web page:
http://www.microwaredata.co.uk/murder-uk/bookhtml_g/garcia_j00.html
Whether the man who was hanged for the murder really committed the offence,
we will never know. Forensic science in 1878 was not what it is today.
The 3 surviving children were William III born 1861, Mary Ann born 1863,
Catherine born 1864 and Arthur born 1866.
Now Mr Watkins knows that Mary Ann, who at one time worked in a bank in Usk,
married a chap called Frank, but he cannot recall the surname of the man she
married. Mary Ann and Frank had 2 children, a daughter Alice and a son
called Harry. I *think* the story is that they moved from Usk to Vinegar
Hill, Undy and then to Magor. Alice later gave piano lessons and a lady, Mrs
Butcher, who was born in about 1905 recalled having piano lessons from
Alice. harry worked in a psychicatric hospital outside Caerleon in the
1930s.
Are there any descendants of these people reading the list? Or do you know
any of them? Please contact me if so, off the list - obviously - if you have
news about a third party.
Thanks very much,
Tina
Hi,
Found on the 1881 Census. Only two George Godfrey' s listed in
Monmouthshire at this time (father & son )
Hope this helps
Derek @ Crosskeys
http://www.xkeys.freeserve.co.uk
Dwelling: 21 Upper Waun St
Census Place: Llanover, Monmouth, Wales
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
George GODFREY W 45 M Bitten Nr Bristol
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
George GODFREY U 18 M Blaenavon, Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
Susannah GODFREY U 16 F Blaenavon, Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: House Keeper
John GODFREY 12 M Blaenavon, Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Sarah GODFREY 10 F Blaenavon, Monmouth, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary GODFREY 6 F Blaenavon, Monmouth, England
My great grandmother ELIZABETH was born on 14.02.1849 in Abercarne, Mynyddislwyn. Her father was WILLIAM, who was a cordwainer, and mother was HANNAH THOMAS. I know that by 1881 she was married to William JAMES of Cwmcarn, with three children and her surname on their birth certificates was spelt LLEWELLYN.
I'd welcome any information on her and her family in the intervening years.
T I A
Derrick.
Howdy listers
I would like to announce the beta test for a new on-line database to all and
sundry in the MON and SOM lists. I have spent the last couple of weeks
transcribing and collating data from others in a new database which is now
on-line and free to access. It is however, in beta test, and may be subject
to change in the near future.
You can find it at http://www.cefnpennar.com and any feedback would be
appreciated. If anyone would like to submit data I would be very grateful.
All copyrights are maintained and the idea of the site is for free access to
all. Anyway, enough talk, have a look and let me know what you all think
(for good or bad).
Regards
Richard Hopkins
M. Elliot-Jones
Santa Rosa CA USA
Researching:
ADKINS, mid 19th C., London, occ. window blind makers
CAMDEN, 1700-1900, St. Marylebone, Hanover Sq. & Bethnal Green, London,
COLEGATE, 1600 - 1800, Rochester & Minster, Kent
ELLIOTT, before 1840, Maidstone & environs, Kent
HIGGS, after 1870 London. Also Newport & Caerleon MON before 1870
JONES -- Abraham, late 18th, early 19th C. Chester, Cheshire;
Thomas Weigh JONES, early 19th C., Chester & Nantwich, Cheshire;
Joseph Frederick JONES, b 17 Apr 1841 Nantwich, res. Bedford &
Northampton
George Wilfred JONES, b. 7 Feb 1869 Bedford, Lic. Vict. W. Bromwich
1895-1918.
MALLETT, all dates, Devon. Virginia/Maryland before 1700. Calif, Utah
after 1850.
MORGAN, before 1850 West Midlands England
MORSE, before 1850, London
PATISON, Ireland, South Australia (Burra-1830-1865) California (Gilroy after
1880)
ROWLEY, Shropshire, to 1890, after 1870, Woolwich & London
TAPPING/TOPPING, London/MDX, before 1850
TAYLOR, London/ MDX before 1800
WATERS, before 1850, Caerleon, Wales