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I was wondering if anyone would be willing to do a lookup for me on Ancestry.com. They have a database for California Death Records, 1940-1997 in which there supposedly one entry for a Wimpling. If anyone could help I would be really appreciative.
Monica
I found this also because my relatives had moved between the time the census
taker had been one place then another. Carrie
"Jerry A. Mosholder" wrote:
> Did they have a birthday between the two census takes?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce L. Nicholson" <brucen(a)maine.edu>
> To: <MDGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:04 PM
> Subject: [MDGEN] ? on same family listed 2X in 1850 Census
>
> > Perhaps someone can explain how a family could have been listed twice in
> > the same census.
> >
> > In checking the 1850 Census for Queen Anne's County, I found that my gg
> > grandfather and his family are listed twice but with some discrepancies of
> > a year or two in some of the ages and in the value of their property.
> Here
> > are the two listings:
> >
> > 15th of July, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
> >
> > Joseph H. Nicholson 39 M farmer $3800 b. Maryland
> > Ann Nicholson 35 F "
> > Sally H. 11 F "
> > Joseph H. 9 F "
> > Ellen 7 F "
> > Anna 4 F "
> > Thomasine 2 F "
> > Hopper 7/12 M "
> >
> >
> > 26th August, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
> >
> > Joseph H. Nicholson 40 M farmer $2000 b. Maryland
> > Ann 37 F "
> > Sally 13 F "
> > Joseph 11 M "
> > Ellen 9 F "
> > Thomasine 2 F "
> > Anna 4 F "
> > Hopper E. 1 M "
> >
> > I know for a fact that there was only one Joseph H (Hopper) Nicholson
> > family in QA in 1850 and, of course, it would be a Twilight Zone tale if
> > two such families had existed with the same names and birth order and the
> > same or similar ages of 6 children. It clearly is a double entry.
> >
> > Can anyone offer a suggestion about how this happened? It does not appear
> > that the census taker could have forgotten and gone back to the same
> > household twice since a check of the other families on the page and pages
> > surrounding these two entries are all different for the two Nicholson
> > entries. Also, Joseph H. Nicholson's mother was Charlotte Gibson and the
> > census taker was W. T. Gibson. I suspect that he must have actually known
> > my gg grandfather's family (very possibly even related).
> >
> > My only guess is that, perhaps, Joseph H. Nicholson owned two farms and
> the
> > census taker happened to visit one farm when Ann answered the door and the
> > other farm when Joseph happened to be there. Or, perhaps, could they have
> > had a caretaker or manager of a second farm who gave the census taker
> > information on the family that "owned" the farm but did not actually live
> > there. But, what about the census taker? I feel certain that this W. T.
> > Gibson would have known Joseph H. Nicholson and his family, maybe even
> > being related to them. If so, he would not have entered them twice. Did
> > other people actually go around and collect the information and the
> marshal
> > just signed the pages but did not actually collect all the information?
> >
> > The members and relationships of the families in my Nicholson line are
> well
> > documented. But, I am missing the birth dates for a few individuals. I
> > was looking them up in the Census in order to, at least, get within a year
> > of the year in which they were born. What I found was this curiosity.
> >
> > Any thoughts out there?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
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My great grandfather, EDWARD GRAHAM live all of his life in Baltimore after
emigrating from Ireland. I am trying to find out when my great grandfather,
EDWARD GRAHAM, arrived in the United States. It would have been some time
between 1840 and 1843. He would have been between fifteen and twenty years
old at the time. He may have made the journey alone, or he may have traveled
with his brother Michael, or with his father whose given name I do not know.
In any case, I have been unable to learn the name of the ship on which he
traveled, or the date on which he arrived in the United States.
Unfortunately, I don't know his port of entry. It would probably have been
New York, Philadelphia or Baltimore.
If anyone has CDs with passenger list information for the period 1840-1843, I
would great appreciate a lookup.
Thank you very much for your very kind assistance.
Jerry Gary
Walnut Creek, CA
Bruce,
I think they were at one farm in July and then at the other farm in August.
W.T. Gibson didn't interview the people. It was probably done by two
different people. He probably just enumerated the census. Obviously two
different people gave the ages. I have my gg-grandfather twice in the 1860.
He was with his daughter when they did the census at her house and then they
got him again when he was home. I thought for sure he was living with her
until I found the other census and he was with his wife.
Jan Parker
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce L. Nicholson [mailto:brucen@maine.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:04 PM
To: MDGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [MDGEN] ? on same family listed 2X in 1850 Census
Perhaps someone can explain how a family could have been listed twice in
the same census.
In checking the 1850 Census for Queen Anne's County, I found that my gg
grandfather and his family are listed twice but with some discrepancies of
a year or two in some of the ages and in the value of their property. Here
are the two listings:
15th of July, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
Joseph H. Nicholson 39 M farmer $3800 b. Maryland
Ann Nicholson 35 F "
Sally H. 11 F "
Joseph H. 9 F "
Ellen 7 F "
Anna 4 F "
Thomasine 2 F "
Hopper 7/12 M "
26th August, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
Joseph H. Nicholson 40 M farmer $2000 b. Maryland
Ann 37 F "
Sally 13 F "
Joseph 11 M "
Ellen 9 F "
Thomasine 2 F "
Anna 4 F "
Hopper E. 1 M "
I know for a fact that there was only one Joseph H (Hopper) Nicholson
family in QA in 1850 and, of course, it would be a Twilight Zone tale if
two such families had existed with the same names and birth order and the
same or similar ages of 6 children. It clearly is a double entry.
Can anyone offer a suggestion about how this happened? It does not appear
that the census taker could have forgotten and gone back to the same
household twice since a check of the other families on the page and pages
surrounding these two entries are all different for the two Nicholson
entries. Also, Joseph H. Nicholson's mother was Charlotte Gibson and the
census taker was W. T. Gibson. I suspect that he must have actually known
my gg grandfather's family (very possibly even related).
My only guess is that, perhaps, Joseph H. Nicholson owned two farms and the
census taker happened to visit one farm when Ann answered the door and the
other farm when Joseph happened to be there. Or, perhaps, could they have
had a caretaker or manager of a second farm who gave the census taker
information on the family that "owned" the farm but did not actually live
there. But, what about the census taker? I feel certain that this W. T.
Gibson would have known Joseph H. Nicholson and his family, maybe even
being related to them. If so, he would not have entered them twice. Did
other people actually go around and collect the information and the marshal
just signed the pages but did not actually collect all the information?
The members and relationships of the families in my Nicholson line are well
documented. But, I am missing the birth dates for a few individuals. I
was looking them up in the Census in order to, at least, get within a year
of the year in which they were born. What I found was this curiosity.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks,
Bruce
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Did they have a birthday between the two census takes?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce L. Nicholson" <brucen(a)maine.edu>
To: <MDGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: [MDGEN] ? on same family listed 2X in 1850 Census
> Perhaps someone can explain how a family could have been listed twice in
> the same census.
>
> In checking the 1850 Census for Queen Anne's County, I found that my gg
> grandfather and his family are listed twice but with some discrepancies of
> a year or two in some of the ages and in the value of their property.
Here
> are the two listings:
>
> 15th of July, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
>
> Joseph H. Nicholson 39 M farmer $3800 b. Maryland
> Ann Nicholson 35 F "
> Sally H. 11 F "
> Joseph H. 9 F "
> Ellen 7 F "
> Anna 4 F "
> Thomasine 2 F "
> Hopper 7/12 M "
>
>
> 26th August, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
>
> Joseph H. Nicholson 40 M farmer $2000 b. Maryland
> Ann 37 F "
> Sally 13 F "
> Joseph 11 M "
> Ellen 9 F "
> Thomasine 2 F "
> Anna 4 F "
> Hopper E. 1 M "
>
> I know for a fact that there was only one Joseph H (Hopper) Nicholson
> family in QA in 1850 and, of course, it would be a Twilight Zone tale if
> two such families had existed with the same names and birth order and the
> same or similar ages of 6 children. It clearly is a double entry.
>
> Can anyone offer a suggestion about how this happened? It does not appear
> that the census taker could have forgotten and gone back to the same
> household twice since a check of the other families on the page and pages
> surrounding these two entries are all different for the two Nicholson
> entries. Also, Joseph H. Nicholson's mother was Charlotte Gibson and the
> census taker was W. T. Gibson. I suspect that he must have actually known
> my gg grandfather's family (very possibly even related).
>
> My only guess is that, perhaps, Joseph H. Nicholson owned two farms and
the
> census taker happened to visit one farm when Ann answered the door and the
> other farm when Joseph happened to be there. Or, perhaps, could they have
> had a caretaker or manager of a second farm who gave the census taker
> information on the family that "owned" the farm but did not actually live
> there. But, what about the census taker? I feel certain that this W. T.
> Gibson would have known Joseph H. Nicholson and his family, maybe even
> being related to them. If so, he would not have entered them twice. Did
> other people actually go around and collect the information and the
marshal
> just signed the pages but did not actually collect all the information?
>
> The members and relationships of the families in my Nicholson line are
well
> documented. But, I am missing the birth dates for a few individuals. I
> was looking them up in the Census in order to, at least, get within a year
> of the year in which they were born. What I found was this curiosity.
>
> Any thoughts out there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
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In my previous query about the double entry of Joseph H. NIcholson and his
family in the 1850 Census, I should have memtioned that the Census Index lists
a Joseph H. Nicholson and a John H. Nicholson. However, when you look at the
images of the actual Census records, both entries clearly read Joseph H.
NIcholson (not JOhn H>)
Thanks,
Bruce
Perhaps someone can explain how a family could have been listed twice in
the same census.
In checking the 1850 Census for Queen Anne's County, I found that my gg
grandfather and his family are listed twice but with some discrepancies of
a year or two in some of the ages and in the value of their property. Here
are the two listings:
15th of July, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
Joseph H. Nicholson 39 M farmer $3800 b. Maryland
Ann Nicholson 35 F "
Sally H. 11 F "
Joseph H. 9 F "
Ellen 7 F "
Anna 4 F "
Thomasine 2 F "
Hopper 7/12 M "
26th August, 1850 by W. T. Gibson
Joseph H. Nicholson 40 M farmer $2000 b. Maryland
Ann 37 F "
Sally 13 F "
Joseph 11 M "
Ellen 9 F "
Thomasine 2 F "
Anna 4 F "
Hopper E. 1 M "
I know for a fact that there was only one Joseph H (Hopper) Nicholson
family in QA in 1850 and, of course, it would be a Twilight Zone tale if
two such families had existed with the same names and birth order and the
same or similar ages of 6 children. It clearly is a double entry.
Can anyone offer a suggestion about how this happened? It does not appear
that the census taker could have forgotten and gone back to the same
household twice since a check of the other families on the page and pages
surrounding these two entries are all different for the two Nicholson
entries. Also, Joseph H. Nicholson's mother was Charlotte Gibson and the
census taker was W. T. Gibson. I suspect that he must have actually known
my gg grandfather's family (very possibly even related).
My only guess is that, perhaps, Joseph H. Nicholson owned two farms and the
census taker happened to visit one farm when Ann answered the door and the
other farm when Joseph happened to be there. Or, perhaps, could they have
had a caretaker or manager of a second farm who gave the census taker
information on the family that "owned" the farm but did not actually live
there. But, what about the census taker? I feel certain that this W. T.
Gibson would have known Joseph H. Nicholson and his family, maybe even
being related to them. If so, he would not have entered them twice. Did
other people actually go around and collect the information and the marshal
just signed the pages but did not actually collect all the information?
The members and relationships of the families in my Nicholson line are well
documented. But, I am missing the birth dates for a few individuals. I
was looking them up in the Census in order to, at least, get within a year
of the year in which they were born. What I found was this curiosity.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks,
Bruce
I have to butt in here. My mother in law lives on Lorimer Road on the Mall
side of Ritchie Highway. My husband and I met while working at the White
Coffee Pot which used to be at the Mall.
Monica Mullikin
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To: <MDGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MDGEN] Death records
> Tom,
> It's definitely a small world! I have lived in Harundale for 22 years! I
live
> on Norwich Rd. on the "Mall" side of Ritchie Highway.
>
> I try to get copies of death certificates for a few fellow researchers
each
> time I go down to Annapolis. I'd be glad to help you too.
>
> A good place to start learning about what vital records are available at
the
> Archives is their website. <A HREF="Maryland States
Archives">http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/</A>.
>
> Do you know when and where your Francis Rawlings died? If a death
> certificate is available you can get lots of information from it.
>
> Get back to me when you can.
>
> Mary Ellen
>
>
>
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Tom,
It's definitely a small world! I have lived in Harundale for 22 years! I live
on Norwich Rd. on the "Mall" side of Ritchie Highway.
I try to get copies of death certificates for a few fellow researchers each
time I go down to Annapolis. I'd be glad to help you too.
A good place to start learning about what vital records are available at the
Archives is their website. <A HREF="Maryland States Archives">http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/</A>.
Do you know when and where your Francis Rawlings died? If a death
certificate is available you can get lots of information from it.
Get back to me when you can.
Mary Ellen
Mary Ellen:
What part of Glen Burnie do you live in? I grew up in Harundale but currently
live in Olympia washington as a result of retiring from the military here.
Being relatively new to genealogy I was wondering what types of death records
can you obtain. I'm descended from Francis Rawlings of Anne Arundel County
and am trying to get as much information as I can.
Tom Rawlings
Jan,
I'm in Glen Burnie. Where did you live?
I wanted to go down this week but didn't make it. I'm determined to try next
week. If I can pull films and copy death certificates for you just let me
know. If not next week, the next time.
I''ve got to get the film numbers ready for what's on my list. It is so much
easier being prepared ahead of time. I can get so much more done down there.
My biggest problem is getting sidetracked. But the again some of these
distractions have led to the discovery of information that I would not have
found otherwise.
Like I said just ask if I can help.
Mary Ellen
I've asked this on two other good size lists, and also sent NARA
an e-mail, with no answer. I always hesitate because it's just
slightly off topic but here goes.
I sent a request to NARA for a full Revolutionary War pension
record sometime around April-beginning of May last year. I've
heard nothing from them. I know they stopped sending because of
Anthrax in their post office but they have started again. Does
anyone know the dates of the requests that were anthraxed in the
post office or dates of what they're sending out now? Last I knew
(many moons ago:-) they were getting closer to my request and I'm
just wondering what's going on.
Marge Green
Hi All,
With a little help, I found this Dove family in the 1870 US Census of Calvert
Co., Maryland and elsewhere.
Peter E. Dove (34)
Sarah J. (36)
Joshua C. (12)
Nancy E. (10)
Julia J. (6)
John L. (1)
Catherine (1)
William Stinnett (?) (21)
Believe Peter E. and Sarah J. are my GGGrandparents and Julia J. is my
GGrandmother. Need to know any information you may have about this family or
their ancestors.
Thanx.
Al Welch
JAN
I have moved to the other side of our country, so I would really appreciate
any info you might find on the JOSEPH TEETERS family of Hagerstown. I
believe there were eleven children, only one boy. Old Joe died in 1964,
September, I believe. I did go to his funeral but have since divorced his
grandson and am trying pretty blind to do family history for my daughter and
grandchildren, as well as my only great-grandchild. If you run across
anything it would be greatly appreciated. TIA
Judy
Nevada
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MDGEN] Death records
> Mary Ellen,
>
> I used to live 15 min away from the MSA. But I have moved to Hagerstown, I
> used to visit them at least twice a week,
>
> I sure do miss going there. I will hopefully be able to make a trip to the
> Archives soon.
>
> I know i used to get my Sr # before i went which made it easier .,
>
> I know I need a few death certificates that I just found out that I need,
I
> need to get the month off the stones which I will be doing this week
coming.
>
> Thank you,
> Jan Carter
>
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Mary Ellen,
I used to live 15 min away from the MSA. But I have moved to Hagerstown, I
used to visit them at least twice a week,
I sure do miss going there. I will hopefully be able to make a trip to the
Archives soon.
I know i used to get my Sr # before i went which made it easier .,
I know I need a few death certificates that I just found out that I need, I
need to get the month off the stones which I will be doing this week coming.
Thank you,
Jan Carter
I agree 100%. If you have to give a credit card number it is not free. In
many cases it is much more difficult to cancel the service when they have
your credit card number.
Monica
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> At the risk of sounding cynical, although Rootsweb is wonderful. I resent
> Ancestry or any one stating something is free when you have to give your
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At the risk of sounding cynical, although Rootsweb is wonderful. I resent
Ancestry or any one stating something is free when you have to give your
credit card number to get it
Nancy,
Don't know what messed up this message the first time. But, here it is
again.
I hope it is clear this time.
I received an announcement of the two week free trial in a "special offer"
email from Ancestry.com. I have a standard subscription to Ancestry.com but
have not added the additional expense to view Census images. This was
probably
a special offer only to members. But, maybe it is open to everyone. Here is
the URL: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=3180&sourceid=1922
Hope it is open for everyone.
Bruce
At 12:26 PM 2/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>How did you get the two week free trial? I went to the A.C website but
>didn't see any mention of this.
>
>Nancy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce L. Nicholson" <brucen(a)maine.edu>
>> I just signed up for the two week free trial of Census images at
>> Ancestry.com
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